Appropriations committee sets priorities for education, recommends 2.5 percent increase in WPU

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  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 15, 2014 8:14 p.m.


    I am a currently a licensed teacher in Utah in my twenty ninth year. I do my homework everyday, and I am pretty confident I have a much better understanding of current educational finance needs in Utah than you have. If you are drawing comparisons from Utah funding 27 years ago and assuming there are similarities today, that would explain your lack of knowledge and understanding about UTAH educational issues.

    You rail on standardized testing quite regularly, I agree that it is not the best use of money especially with the amount of testing we do, but I am guessing you fail to understand that politicians create the testing demand not educators.

    You talk about mismanagement and the waste of billions, sorry but you are wrong again. Is there mismanagement of course always will be in large organizations, but it is not in the billions. Much of the waste many identify in district offices is caused by state and federal lawmakers creating an overwhelming list of regulations and reporting requirements.

    Education is labor intensive, education costs money and teachers can be aided by technology, but not replaced.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 14, 2014 1:44 p.m.


    I'm a certified Utah teacher from twenty seven years ago. I took a job in Texas because the pay was much higher, so I'm familiar with Utah.

    Despite that, I know money is wasted on worthless programs. How much does it take to have a classroom, teacher, books, and chalkboard? Most everything else are a waste.

    Does anyone think, standardized testing has improved a child's ability to learn? Does it improve creativity? Would Edison had invented a better light bulb had he taken these tests?

    We waste billions of dollars, and time on this.

    Head Start costs are in the billions, with poverty increasing rather decreasing.

    These are a few reasons why annually increasing funding is upsetting to me. It never stops, and in a year, you'll hear of more reasons for increases.

  • Al Vernal, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 11:46 p.m.

    @ worf

    If you really a 'licensed' teacher in Utah, (it hasn't been called 'certified' for quite some time) then you know that it takes at least 2% increase in the WPU to cover the increase in the obligation of each district to retirement and Social Security benefits. You also know that for the past seven years or so our friendly legislature has increased the WPU by 2% or less each year. Therefore you know that districts have had to freeze steps and lanes (the way the teachers can increase their salary by furthering their education and by gaining experience) and add nothing to the base while asking the teachers to pay more of their health insurance costs.

    I had to answer the question to my mortgage lender as to why I made less money in 2012 than I did in 2011 when I refinanced my house.

    I'm sure that you are a free market kind of guy. If one state pays their teachers more they should attract the better teachers. My brother left a head football coaching job in Idaho to take a lesser job in Wyoming because they pay $8000 more per year, not to mention better benefits.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 13, 2014 10:03 p.m.


    Based on what?

    Open your eyes, and do your own homework.--I have posted one reason.

    For your curiosity, I am a Utah certified teacher, and have lived there many years.

    Look at the welfare state of this country and tell me the education system is working. Tell me how we don't spend more than any country in history. That leads to my definitive statement.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 13, 2014 8:49 p.m.


    And for my own curiosity you can say education would not improve with a 10% increased based on what? I am not sure how someone from Mcallen Texas can make a such a definitive statement about education in Utah, please share your expertise about the Utah education system.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 13, 2014 7:06 p.m.

    Would education improve even with a ten percent increase?


  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 13, 2014 6:22 p.m.


    With Mr. Urquhart and several of his cronies, it is not about their ability to do math, it is about their agenda. They know very well what they are doing and what the outcome will be for traditional public education. They lack the courage to be honest about their agenda, which is to turn the entirety of public education into charter schools, where teachers make very little money, but the developers that build the buildings,and the directors that run the charters make really good money. Plain and simple this speaks to the lack of respect that these men have for teachers. Take time to pull the audio of any educational committee meeting that Mr. Urquhart sits on. He is constantly belittling teachers. He and many of the other republicans on the education committee's hold teachers in contempt.

    I hope in 5-10 years when public education is completely broken that Mr. Urquhart is still there to assume some of the responsibility for the disaster that will be.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Feb. 13, 2014 5:26 p.m.

    We already have priorities for education.

    It's just mismanaged.

    When is funding ever enough?

    It's crazy how we spend money.

  • Al Vernal, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 2:40 p.m.

    "I think a WPU increase of 1 percent is sufficient," Urquhart said.

    "an increase of at least 2 percent is necessary to cover obligations related to Social Security and retirement costs."

    I think that the education community needs to do a better job of educating our legislators. Sen. Stephen Urquhart seems to be having trouble with math.

    Without providing funding for existing obligations, Nielson said, school districts would be forced to trim programs to cover costs.

    Rep. Jim Nielson seems to have a better understanding of math.

    Our legislators want teachers to pass tests to prove their competence (which most can do with flying colors), how about the people who work with the state's budget taking a simple math test to prove that they are competent at adding and subtracting our money? (I'm afraid that Mr. Urquhart might not pass).