Letter: Compassion in immigration

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  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 17, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    Secure a border that stretches from CA to Texas? At what cost? Never will be able to secure a border so porous. The solution to illegal immigration is south of the border. End corruption, poverty, and violence in Mexico and Mexicans will stay in Mexico or come legally. I would likely leave a country controlled by drug cartels and take my chances in the United States.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 3:16 p.m.

    We won the war, and the spoils of war was the land. Plus we paid for it. That's another manufactured excuse for breaking our laws.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 4:48 a.m.

    Many people discussing the immigration issue come from the perspective that Mexican immigrants have no claim to this land and the they, i. e. American citizens have clear title. Therein lies the root fallacy in the anti immigration argument.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 9:56 p.m.

    @ 2 bits
    Re: “Your over-the-top concern about any of this being blamed on Obama is unfounded”

    By any chance did you read the DN letter to the editor?

    Feb. 13, 2014 5:51 p.m.

    Immigration laws are the only laws that are discussed in terms of how to help
    people who break them. There is no reason we can't deport people here illegally, or stop them from working. Not doing so will be a lack of compassion for American workers and legal immigrants.

    Deporting 12 million, according to a government study done in 2007 by the Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agency put the cost at 94 billion. This is a one time cost, that does not include self deportation. The Federation for American Immigration Reform puts the cost of illegal immigration at $113 billion per year. When you add in the boost to our economy from putting millions of Americans back to work in non agriculture jobs, we can't afford not to.

    Judicial system-deterrents are the best way to stop crime-consequences for illegal activity. If we don't enforce our laws this time, it will be worse the next time

    We give our over 3.2 million work visas each year. We don't need temp workers when 20 million Americans are out of work.

    Children born here have dual citizenship. The law states they return with their parents until 18.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 4:03 p.m.

    RE: "Does the Right ever tire of their constant harangue against the President"...

    Your over-the-top concern about any of this being blamed on Obama is unfounded.

    I did a word search of the comments on this topic... so far only you and two other posters (Kent DeForest and Stalwart Sentinel) (note all 3 Obama defenders) have even mentioned word "Obama".


    As others have pointed out... it's not a Hispanic thing. Speaking for others here but... I think they are against anybody being in the country illegally (not just Hispanic people).

    The people who flew planes into the WTC were here illegally (overstayed their visas). I wish we had known about them for instance. And I'm pretty sure there are some people in America illegally from many nations and races. It's not just a Hispanic thing.

    It IS an issue. And the main issue is not that none of it get on Obama. There's a REAL issue. We need to know who is in our country (legal and not). They need to participate in society (not hide). All Americans need to know their status (legal/not).

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 3:38 p.m.

    LDS Liberal,
    The problem is... you see people as "you sorts". As if you can just group people neatly into categories based on your political stereotypes of them. That's bogus.

    People just don't fit nicely into our political stereotypes.

    For instance... you assume that I want to deport them all (I guess because that's your stereotype for "my sort", and you put me in that sort group based on some other comments I've made (because I KNOW I've never actually said "deport them all"). I know that's not possible or desirable from anything other than a rhetorical point of view.

    We don't need to deport them all. We NEED a temp worker program (not just a "looking the other way for people who are here illegally" program).

    They need to be able to come out of the shadows. The best way to do that (IMO) is a temp worker program (not free defacto-citizenship for anybody who can hide here long enough to have children in America program).

    Sorry if I don't fit your stereotypes.... but that's life.

    We need both compassion AND compliance to the law. Not just compassion.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 3:05 p.m.

    It's not just about Hispanic people here illegally, it's about everyone here illegally. Trying to call enforcement of immigration laws racism is so 1980's.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 2:28 p.m.

    Does the Right ever tire of their constant harangue against the President and undocumented Hispanic immigrants? What fuels their zealotry?

    In my opinion, the many accusations of the Constitution crowd against President Obama and against undocumented Hispanic immigrants are unduly exaggerated and purposely misleading. Bearing a strong ideological slant, they all too often are more propaganda than real. I see the stiff, uncompromising orthodoxy of the conservative right not, as some would suppose, rigorously and righteously constituted, but in large part as a contrived and manufactured cover for the frustration and resentment of white Americans who feel threatened by the increasing influence of people of color, women and others devalued in our society.

    What else but this duplicity of purpose would explain how some are able to rationalize the virulence of their interminable attacks against President Obama and against undocumented Hispanic immigrants as a righteous crusade?

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 2:26 p.m.

    Compassion is sending people down the path of righteousness; rewarding illegal/dishonest behavior is not compassionate. It should cost more to break the law than to follow it. That has not been the case the past 30 years. The Republicans are right to be concerned about immigration enforcement with Hilary waiting in the wings. Her husband promised the end to illegal immigration if we supported NAFTA, but it became worse. He also gave out 6 amnesties for 3 million people.

    Amnesty is failed policy, we need enforcement. The press and politicians like to dwell on the border, but it's only part of the laws already passed in previous reforms that were never implemented. The border. e-verify, interior enforcement, more judges and a visa entry-exit system were all part of the 1986 and 1996 immigration reforms.

    Like Switzerland, it's time Americans took their country and jobs back.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 2:15 p.m.

    LDS Liberal

    Why do you want to punish the business owners that not the illegal aliens who by their own free will and choice chose to break the law and come here, chose to stay here, and chose to work at whatever places of work they are at?

    Why the double standard?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 1:43 p.m.

    2bits --

    The main problem I have you sorts is thus --

    MOST of the illegals you want to round-up and ship out have AMERICAN children.

    Why is you want to crack down on the immigrants who break the law,
    and want to give a "Get out of Jail Free" card to businesses and owners who exploit and use them?

    As Real Maverick points out;
    Aren't businesses and business men just as guilty of Breaking Laws?

    Why the double standard?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 1:10 p.m.

    No "poorly administered policies" changes that its a crime to enter our country illegally and a crime to stay here illegally.

    Just don't be a criminal. Its that simple

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 1:06 p.m.

    2 bits. The main result from coming down hard on employers that hire illegals is that it would slow the flow of illegals coming in. As long as there are unscrupulous employers who will hire them they will keep coming, and those that are here will stay.

    We know we cannot export all or even a large portion of those that are here illegally. We mainly have to start making it so easy for them.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 11:55 a.m.

    And what would those fired illegal alien families do for food?
    Where's YOUR compassion?


    I agree there needs to be punishment for businesses that hire illegal workers. But that was the central theme of Bush's "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" and you shot it down. It's nowhere to be seen in the current immigration bill (and yet you support it). Could you be a little consistent?

    If you want the focus to be on businesses who hire illegal workers... why don't you push for it to be in THIS bill?


    I think you know this but... our economy would suffer if we just fired all illegal workers today. Your plan makes as much practical sense as the people who say we should deport them all. It's not possible.


    And IF you're going to fire them.. should you not also deport them?

    Otherwise what do they do? Just sit around your neighborhood, unemployed, with nothing to eat, no job, no money? They would have to self-deport wouldn't they? Is your real name Mitt Romney?


    Your plan makes zero sense. What we need a real plans, not just more political rhetoric that helps zero.

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 11:49 a.m.

    Charles makes some very good points about compassion as it relates to the illegal immigration issue. One thing that could be added is the compassion that should be shown to American citizens, both as business people that hire only legal residents and have to compete with those that don't, and American citizens that have gone through the legal process to become naturalized citizens.

    The compassion for these two classes of citizens seem to be forgotten.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 11:15 a.m.

    I have a solution which is both compassionate and effective:

    All businesses have 1 month to fire all illegals and replace them with legal workers/Americans. Any business owner found guilty of hiring illegals will immediately be "deported" for 10 years to prison and lose their business license forever.

    We don't need to build a wall or deport millions of individuals or anything like that. Just severely punish Americans who value their own profits over the value of the Constitution.

    You would be surprised how few illegals would come if businesses refused to hire them.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 9:36 a.m.

    In order to deal with this appropriately we need deal with it maturely, and separate the "Legal" aspects from the "Compassion" aspects.

    Some try to make it just an emotional topic. Some try to make it purely a legal topic. It's not. It's both.

    IMO we need to deal with the legal aspects (without emotion). And we need to deal with the emotional aspects (without trying to codify our emotions into law).

    We need to deal with the legal aspects legally (not emotionally). If we ajudicated other legal issues the way we handle illegal immigration... No bank robber would ever go to jail (because you may hurt his children to be without a father, or "he just wanted food for his kids", etc). Sometimes emotion needs to be set aside when we are deciding legal issues.

    But we also need to realize that there IS an emotional component (that requires compassion). But this compassion should not be allowed to rob justice (IMO). But it still needs to be there.

    AFTER they have paid the price for breaking the law... we should have all the compassion in the world for them (but compassion should not attempt to circumvent justice).

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 8:39 a.m.

    First of all,
    there is no such thing as "Compassionate Conservatism".

    Conservatives will not feel safe or secure until our borders are permanant walls,
    barbed wired and scattered with machine gun nests.

    Just like East Germany,
    it will take decades to wake up and discover they were duped and are indeed the ones being trapped.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 8:26 a.m.

    This is just another excuse for the Republican House to do nothing on an important issue. But it is consistent with their stated purpose, which is simply to oppose Obama at every turn, on every issue. This is the most useless, counterproductive Congress in the history of this country. The numbers back up this assertion.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Feb. 13, 2014 8:25 a.m.

    "Secure the borders" is Republican-speak for "no, we won't help, we won't do anything." The borders have never been more secure than they are now. But border security for Republicans is a moving target, and until "they" say it's secure, nothing can be done.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 3:06 a.m.

    There is no valid reason why illegal aliens should be rewarded with the very object of their illegality -- namely, U.S. residency. Plainly it is unfair; plainly it is wrong. It would signify that the law finally means nothing.

  • Stalwart Sentinel San Jose, CA
    Feb. 13, 2014 2:04 a.m.

    In response the faux concern listed by the letter writer, the Dems actually capitulated and said they would be willing to do a deal w/ Repubs on immigration that would not take affect until after Obama leaves office. Republican response: "well, we don't know who the next president is going to be." So, yeah, this is a weak excuse from a party that simply doesn't want to work while in Congress.