Critics weigh in on the Obamacare mandate extension

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  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 13, 2014 8:16 a.m.

    To "Spoc" actually, #3 does have a lot of merit. There are quite a few studies out there showing that where states have made malpractice lawsuits more difficult that they have more doctors. It also lowers overhead costs for doctors. When you have more doctors in an area, and lower their overhead costs, you get cheaper healthcare.

    To "pragmatistferlife" what you are asking for what many South and Central American countries enjoy. You end up with 2 systems. One for the rich where they can afford all of the best medications and doctors, and one that barely cares for everybody else.

    If you cut the massive regulations, the price will drop. There are numerous studies showing how much of the cost of insurance is due to government mandates.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Feb. 13, 2014 7:38 a.m.

    To Red Shirt;

    I respect your ideas. I don't necessarily agree with them as a plan, however without the ACA we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

    Aside from the moral issue providing health care coverage, it's pretty hard to have any kind of reform without everyone participating in the costs, because everyone does participate in the benefits.

    There are only two ways to have that participation. One, you mandate private participation, and two you create a national program of single payer.

    It's the point pretty much every civilized nation has realized, and had as a starting point for their systems. Even the Heritage Foundation caught on to this when they weren't saddled with a hate Obama agenda.

    Until Republicans can come up with something that addresses this all the "cost lowering" gimmicks in the world are just smoke in the wind.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    Feb. 12, 2014 11:18 p.m.

    What I find endlessly amusing is that critics cannot figure out why they get so little traction on with this particular line of rhetoric when they have done nothing but attempt to repeal, delay, defund and destroy the ACA since day one.

  • Spoc Ogden, UT
    Feb. 12, 2014 10:39 p.m.

    I like your ideas. I am not sure whether 3 would be beneficial. The reason insurance is not sold across state lines is because it traditionally has been controlled by state insurance commissions. It hasn't been a federal issue because it did not require movement of goods or services across state lines; interstate commerce. However, you will find companies like Blue Cross doing business in each state and serving customers while traveling out of state but subject to local control instead of the federal approach of Obamacare.

    I would like to stop paying insurance for maintenance expenses. Insurance should insure me against unpredictable catastrophic costs and let me put the rest for predictable maintenance costs into a health savings account.

    I'd also like fees published and be able to take my business anywhere and not be restricted to a select group of physicians. The doctors should compete for my business.

    I am sure there are those who prefer to have the insurance collect premiums, take a cut of the money for themselves, and then write a check to my physician. They should also have that choice available.

    Choice / Freedom!!! What a novel idea!!!

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2014 8:58 p.m.

    Affordable Health Care working great. Reality set in yet Utah?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 12, 2014 5:43 p.m.

    I suspect supporters have also weighed in; they just don't get column space here.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Feb. 12, 2014 4:11 p.m.

    Yes red shirt, thats the same old republican plan (that they never do anything but talk about.)
    Patriot: Perhaps he hasn't broken any laws and you are incorrect, but you won't do anything but whine either.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 12, 2014 2:07 p.m.

    Everyone whines about Barack's lawlessness but nobody does anything about it. I say put up or shut up. If Barack is breaking the law then how is that happening with no consequences? If I break the law I go to jail. I think Barack has things pretty much figured. He pushes the limit ...and nobody does anything...he keeps pushing until somebody stops the man. So far all we have is talkers but no one willing to act and stop this lawless tyrant.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 12, 2014 1:47 p.m.

    To "Meckofahess" that is really easy. We do need to scrap the current system because the government is killing it. Here is what you need to do to fix things:

    1. Cut back the number of state and federal mandates on insurance companies. This accounts for around 60% of the cost of insurance depending on where you live.

    2. Allow insurance companies to sell across state lines. This could drop prices by a few percent more. This is the whole idea behind the Federal exchanges. If it works for the Feds, businesses can make it run more efficiently.

    3. Make malpractice lawsuits harder to submit. Healthcare costs are really high because specialists like OBGYN or surgeons pay $300,000 or more in malpractice each year.

    4. Give Doctor's tax breaks for the cost of equipment and a portion of their time in caring for the poor.

    5. Allow insurance companies to allow you to pick and choose coverage. Why charge a 75 year old man for maternity care?

    That is a start, and I am sure that there are ways to further cut costs.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2014 1:01 p.m.

    To all the critics of Obamacare I ask, what exactly would you do to fix our hopelessly broken healthcare system that is breaking the financial back of American families?

    Would you just keep the existing system or what?

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 12, 2014 12:46 p.m.

    To "Moderate" actually, Bush did get the concent of congress. Bush was Commander of the US military, so he could send them anywhere in the world that he desired. There are laws in place that state that anything over a short period of time requires approval from Congress. This was put into place to prevent a President from getting the US into a large scale war.

    Congress only has the power to declare war, not to command troops.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Feb. 12, 2014 12:32 p.m.

    Theme for the 2014 election: Don't reelect anyone who voted for Obamacare!

  • David Centerville, UT
    Feb. 12, 2014 12:08 p.m.


    You may need to review your history because Congress voted to send troops to Iraq. John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and dozens of other Democrats joined Republicans to authorize the sending of troops to Iraq. So if there was any unconstitutionality involved in that Congressional vote, Democrats are complicit with it.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 12, 2014 11:45 a.m.

    DR Thom - "Obama supporters may be fine with this type of "Oval Office activism", but sooner or later it will be "my guy" in the WH and not theirs."

    Do you mean like George W Bush taking this nation to war in Iraq without a (Constitutionally required) Declaration of War by Congress? That act of "your guy" cost this nation billions of dollars and the loss of thousands of American lives.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Feb. 12, 2014 11:45 a.m.

    Democrats & Obama supporters will first criticize the Deseret News for continuing to publish reports that reveal the horrors & failure of Obamacare.

    They will then criticize Republicans for "not having a plan" to replace Obamacare with (not true).

    They will also criticize Republicans for criticizing the president.

    But Obama supporters will not address the problem that is Obamacare, other than to say "leave the president alone".

    That is not a solution.

    Obamacare is a mess. It was poorly created, poorly written, poorly implemented, it is hurting individuals, families, business, our economy, and the country.

    Why do we tolerate Obamacare? It is a symbol of liberalism and will hopefully bring about change we can believe in--rescinding Obamacare and ridding the White House and Senate of Liberal leadership.

  • Mickey Kovars Tampa, FL
    Feb. 12, 2014 11:36 a.m.

    The public has put the Republicans into a box. The House Republicans can theoretically fight Obama's unlawful actions by defunding the ACA, or perhaps other means, but when the Administration and the Democrats resist, the only remedy is to allow the government to shut down. And the polls tell us that the public blames the Republicans when a shutdown occurs.

  • Anti Government Alpine, UT
    Feb. 12, 2014 11:08 a.m.

    Its pretty simple really.

    The democrats controlled the White House, the Senate, and the House when this LAW was crammed through.

    It is law....yet the President is now picking and choosing which parts of the law will go into effect.

    So I guess we live in a Banana Republic where a single person gets to alter law after the Senate and House (who supposedly represent us) have voted to pass the law?

    This makes no sense...unless you are simply scheming to win elections and buy votes which is exactly what the President/democrats are doing.

    We "......passed it to find out what is in it...." and what we have found it is that as republicans predicted the President lied to us when he told us we could keep our doctor and our healthcare plan. He lied because he even knew at the time he said it.

    We have also found out he is delaying the politically and economically bad portions until after election because he knows they are bad policy.

    Then the citizens can resume their suffering I guess? Notice he has no proposal to fix what he tacitly has admitted doesn't work.

    Wake up people.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    Feb. 12, 2014 10:51 a.m.

    Damage control by and for Democrats running for re-election this November in an effort to distance themselves from the Obamacare debacle. The Congressional Budget Office recently warned Americans that Obamacare will cost over 2 million people their jobs and the Obamacare subsidies will incentivize millions of people not to work, who of course, will have to be supported by taxpayers. The Senate and the House will both be in GOP control and Obama will be irrelevant (even with his pen and phone) for the rest of his term, courtesy of his ACA!

  • Dr. Thom Long Beach, CA
    Feb. 12, 2014 10:35 a.m.

    So if Obama (currently a sitting President) can retroactively and without participation or approval from Congress change key portions of an existing law (in this case Obamacare), could a future President independently and retroactively overturn aspects of an existing law such as the reactivation of a national military draft, which now would include men and women between the ages of 18-23 or the Emancipation Proclamation?

    Unless the courts weigh in or Congress censures the President, this scenario is a real possibility. Obama supporters may be fine with this type of "Oval Office activism", but sooner or later it will be "my guy" in the WH and not theirs.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Feb. 12, 2014 10:17 a.m.

    Is it any wonder that independents make up the biggest part of the electorate? And, of course, there are those right wing zealot Tea Party people who for sure base all their decisions on race, gender, and impulse. As I watch the parade of zombies that fall in line with the Republican and Democratic "leaders" I know there is no need to wonder why we have problems in this country! Here they come defending Obama, then bush, if there is any difference! How silly of me to not trust our "leaders"; they are trying so hard to lead our country back to universal justice and prosperity, if the (fill in the blank) would just let them! How silly of me!