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  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2014 5:08 p.m.

    Debt ceiling raised again. Tea Party diminished substantially. Again.

  • Owen Heber City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2014 7:26 p.m.

    Sandy, wonder why you're not welcome in the GOP? Beliefs and statements like these "... educated, informed, hard working Americans who care about the constitution and bill of rights." ...polite ... AmeriKa. ... Socialism ... another Tea Party in the late 1700's ... "

    Utah is a bubble in the real world of politics. Utah's GOP is a bubble within a bubble. Utah's T Party is a bubble within a bubble within a bubble. Insignificant and fragile. Not needed or heeded in the real world.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 10, 2014 3:50 p.m.

    Very well said Sandy. I agree 100%. The Tea Party is the Boogie Man for liberals and for RINO's. The reason? The Tea Party is made of educated, informed, hard working Americans who care about the constitution and bill of rights. Tea Party members are polite but uncompromising especially with those would turn America into AmeriKa. Socialism has no place in America and The Tea Party is the ONLY organized group of people who will stand against Socialism and for our constitutional government. Because the Tea Party is uncompromising they are hated. If you recall history there was another Tea Party in the late 1700's that was also hated by the establishment...both the establishment in England and here in America.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Feb. 10, 2014 3:18 p.m.

    2 bits
    Cottonwood Heights, UT

    A 3rdparty (no matter how good) could never compete...


    Yes, if the ideas were good enough.
    The problem is, you are a super minority, and insist on making other believe as you do.

    Tell you what,
    Come up with a BETTER idea, and people will listen.

    When your group insist that the Earth is only 6,000 years old,
    Global Warming isn't happening,
    Science is lie,
    the sick, the poor, and the neeedy deserve their sorrows,
    "legitimate" rape spontaneously abort themselves,
    Corporations are looking out for their employees livelihoods,
    -- YOU will loose each and evey time.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 10, 2014 2:21 p.m.


    Re: "If the tea party is really as great as Sandy thinks it is, why don't they form their own party and swim while letting the GOP continue to sink"?

    TeaParty alone can't win anything. I think Conservative values (less spending, less consumption, less government force, less taxes, etc) are a better direction. I realize many Americans want that but won't vote for it (Because THEIR government program will get cut). And they could never vote for that (even if they wanted less government spending).

    It's a necessary evil that Conservatives connect and vote with Republicans. We almost never agree with Democrats.

    A 3rdparty (no matter how good) could never compete with the organization, funding, and plain unadulterated brain-washing that's part of the current Democrat-Republican establishment.

    We are not stupid. We know that going out on our own (as you suggest) only insures Democrats win.

    I tried it several times and only helped the Democrat win. I won't do that again (Even if I disagree with the Republican on some things). I will instead try to influence the party from inside. There are still many Conservatives in the Republican party.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    Feb. 10, 2014 2:02 p.m.

    Mr. J.

    Your comments are the most valid and correct of this blog!

    Historic interpretation supports your comment. Thank you for actually putting something on here that's real and not opinion.

    Here's an interesting opinion: "If Reagan were around today, he would not stand a chance because of the extreme right in his own party" Isn't that a shame!

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 10, 2014 1:58 p.m.

    Roland Kayser

    RE: "Republicans only like "small government" when Democrats are in power"....

    You are making the classic mistake of equating "Republicans" and "Conservatives".

    You are right. Republicans like big government (especially when a GOP guy is President). But you are wrong if you think Conservatives like big government (regardless of who is President).

    I am a "Conservative" (not a Republican).

    -I (and other Conservatives) didn't like the expansion of government spending and government regulation during the Bush Administration any more than we like it during the Obama Administration. Conservatives fought against it then too, but didn't win.

    -I (and other Conservatives) didn't like the Patriot Act when Bush proposed it (on Constitutional grounds), and I didn't like it when Obama expanded it. Remember "radical" conservative groups opposing it then? But we didn't win (too many Republicans are not "Conservatives").

    -I (and other Conservatives) didn't like the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill" Bush proposed. Conservative groups from within his own party are what finally shutdown Bush's Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill (not Democrats).

    Conservatives are somewhat consistent (not ruled by the GOP). Democrats and Republicans are not.

  • Disgusted American deptford, NJ
    Feb. 10, 2014 12:21 p.m.

    The GOP...If they can't keep thier Nosey Business OUT of whom is Marrying whom, they're probing women's Prvt Parts........small gov't, really???? NOT!

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 10:03 p.m.

    The tea party tantrum lead by our Senator was the end of the tea party outside of blogs and unreasonable letters.

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 6:50 p.m.

    Right on, Sandy!

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 6:47 p.m.

    Include the tea party, as if the tea party would play well with the others?

    Face it, the tea party was given a chance. What did they do with their chance? Get rid of several GOP members, obstruct everything, and shut down the government.

    If the tea party feels it's being excluded now by the GOP, it has only itself to blame.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 6:14 p.m.

    Let'em go...Let'em go....

    Bye bye.

    Feb. 9, 2014 4:17 p.m.

    Sandy, everyone I know is still free and still brave.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 1:18 p.m.

    Sandy: The choice is a hard one, no question. On the one hand, if the Teas and the Pubs can work together they can dominate the U.S. House of Representatives and perhaps even the Senate. On the other hand the Boehner led majority, know that if they continue down that road the Presidency will be the permanent possession of the Democrats. The principles of the Tea party while a big seller in Utah and a few other States, they are a non-starter for the nation at large. Hence devil is once again in the details. Stay the dominant party in the Congress or change direction and become once again a political force in national elections.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Feb. 9, 2014 12:21 p.m.

    Based on what T-partiers say, they don't want to be Republicans anymore. It sounds to me like they want a totally unregulated, "every man for himself," Somalia-style society which would be a nightmare for all of us. I respect mainstream Republicans who propose conservative improvements to our national house without threatening to burn it down.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 11:38 a.m.

    Ah, an amusing letter. "The good old days weren't always good, tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems" (Billy Joel). This a great example of how perception is not reality. If shutting down the government is your objective then your teaps are doing a bang up job, hurting all but the select.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 11:28 a.m.

    I for the life of me can not figure out this utopia the tea party keeps on talking about.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 10:47 a.m.

    Hearing " There's nothing I'd like more than to change our country and transform it back into the land of the free and home of the brave", doesn't really know much about our history. I would ask, When was America more free than now? Certainly we have more laws and regulations, but I am a believer of the quote "the law shall make you free".

    The truth is that the freedom of all people comes from taking freedom from business minded people. So, if you are a businessman, your freedom has been diminished. But if you are one of the vast majority of people in America your freedom has been advanced.

    However we still have a long way to go in the civilization of human beings before we can be labeled as the home of the free.

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 10:44 a.m.

    re: embarrassed Utahn!

    "The Bush administration did more harm to our nation than any in history. And Sandy Thackery wrote many many letters in support of Bush: The worst president in our country's history."

    I don't know about that. LBJ (also from Texas (ironically?)) could be thought of the worst.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 10:28 a.m.

    If the tea party is really as great as Sandy thinks it is, why don't they form their own party and swim while letting the GOP continue to sink?

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 10:25 a.m.

    Ask the people around Zion's Park how the Tea Party and Lee helped them out just recently. I don't think we can afford more of their antics.

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 10:20 a.m.

    Its obvious that the gop needs to splinter. The Reagan wing has been marginalized; 1st by the the theocratic right and now by the tea party.

  • nonceleb Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    I have some news for Sandy. If the Republicans continue to cater to the Tea Party extremists they will lose the next elections. They have to be more moderate to pick up that huge segment of independents. And who will the Tea Party vote for? Are they going to vote for a liberal Democrat just because the Republican candidate is too moderate? I do not think so. They will vote for the "lesser of two evils."

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 9:50 a.m.

    The problem with the TEA party is that when you shrink the size of government you reduce the industries from which politicians can get campaign contributions to push policies in favor of one side or the other. Most long term Republicans are in the political favor business - just to a lesser extent than most Democrats. If government no longer has its hand in everything, who is going to contribute to their campaigns. The reason we should support the TEA party politicians is that they are championing causes which work against their political interests (but in the interests of the people as a whole). Why else would they be so demonized for the radical view that government should not spend more than it takes in. You can answer almost any question in Washington by simply following the money.

  • Bebyebe UUU, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 9:25 a.m.

    In order to be relevant again the GOP must step away from so-called 'social issues'; gay marriage, abortion, birth control etc. The country has moved past them. The TeaParty just can't and the GOP follows the Reagan law, 'Speak no ill of another Republican'.

    The GOP has a legitimate role in US government concerning fiscal policy. But they have to find someone more connected with reality. Romney may have been the one but he pandered to the TeaParty and lost. Christy would've also been a good candidate but he's also just about ruined it.

    Jindal said the GOP has to "stop being the stupid party". May be they should nominate him.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 8:37 a.m.

    It's all Obama's fault. Riiiiight.

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 8:15 a.m.

    You are so right, Sandy. Without these principles expounded by Tea Party affiliates the GOP seems to be floundering and might as well be a part of the Democrat party.

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 8:06 a.m.

    I was just reading in article in Governing Magazine that the state of Texas is the last "big" reliable red state, but that is threatened with its shrinking white population and growing Hispanics who are sensitive to immigration and interested in helping immigrants get public education to reach the American Dream. Rick Perry on the campaign trail got hammered by conservatives when he said he supported illegal immigrant children to get a free public education.

    It seems that Texas' independent mindedness works both ways -- they may hate federal government intrusions, but they also hate outside conservatives telling it what to do regarding immigration as well.

    While the GOP may value "freedom," for many immigrants and non-whites, that freedom largely means freedom for whites and oppression for everyone else.

    The GOP needs to look at their values and figure out how to make these values work for non-whites, which is the fastest growing segment of America's population.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 7:51 a.m.

    And I join millions in gratitude for a great president who has made measurable progress at regaining our world-leader status.

    The Bush administration did more harm to our nation than any in history. And Sandy Thackery wrote many many letters in support of Bush: The worst president in our country's history.

    It absolutely tickles me to know that the next President will also cause much grief for Tea Partiers and Republicans!!!

    Go Hillary!!!!

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Feb. 9, 2014 7:39 a.m.

    "There's nothing I'd like more than to change our country and transform it back into the land of the free and the home of the brave. "

    As long as we can tell you what you can and can't do with your body, where you buy your liquor, who you can marry, etc. etc., and we have an all volunteer military.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 9, 2014 6:00 a.m.

    If only we could get back to the good ole days of yesteryear (2000-2006) when the beloved GOP controlled the all 3 branches. The sun would shine, the flowers bloom, and the universe could again be in balance.

    Please people. Just pull the "R" lever. Don't we all want to live in Sandy's Utopia?

    (disclaimer, No where did I advocate voting Democrat as a solution.)

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 12:18 a.m.

    Republicans only like "small government" when Democrats are in power. The GOP loves big government as long as they are the ones running it. The only president in the last sixty years to actually shrink government was Bill Clinton. Under Bush Jr. the government grew at the fastest rate since Lyndon Johnson. Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and Bush Sr. all liked big government just fine.