BYU basketball: Cougars dominate the boards, squeak out win over San Francisco

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  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 10, 2014 1:59 a.m.

    @joeschmoe (Part II on Collinsworth)

    The other glaring weakness is Kyle's Assists to TOs ratio...

    He leads the team in Assists at 4.9 against 2nd place Carlino at 4.7 p/gm But he has the most TOs at 2.8 p/gm to Carlino's 2.1... Kyle's Ball handling efficiency is 13% worse than Carlinos. That means for every 10 assists that Kyle gets he will turn the ball over 1.3 times more than Carlino will for his 10 assists.

    Don't get me wrong, I am glad that we have Kyle dressed in blue and I do agree that he is a net-net positive contributer... Heck, I'll even go as far as agreeing with you that he helped us stay in the SF game in the first half (although he could have won the Portland game for us and he didn't... He also could have iced the games against Iowa State and Oregon with made free throws or a made lay-in)... Stuff like that happens...

    However, if he wants to play at the next level... His shooting, FT percentages and Assist/TO ratios have got to improve. Sorry, but it's the truth.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 10, 2014 1:43 a.m.


    Just reporting the facts...

    If you reread my post you will see that I believe he is the best defender on this team which means he usually gets the toughest defensive assignment (and that includes players from the #1 through the #4 positions)... I also said that he was an excellent Rebounder for his size (he averages 8 a game which is what he got against SF... that puts him at second best on the team behind Austin but ahead of Mika (However, on a Reb/p/min played basis he is #4 on the team behind Austin, Sharp, and Mika)... He's second on the team in steals behind Carlino.

    His big weaknesses are FT Shooting and Assists vs TOs... He hit 25% of his FTs against SF and is 59.3% on the year (105-177) He has the second most attempts behind Haws but has the 3rd worst avg on the team (ahead of Bartley and Sharp)... A starting Division I PG on a competitive team should hit between 75% and 80% of his FTA... Had Kyle hit 75% up to this point the Cougs would have 28 more points... How many "L's would that have turned into "W's"?

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    Feb. 9, 2014 7:10 p.m.

    Nevadacoug might be on to something. Rose has some tired starters.

  • cal cougar camarillo, CA
    Feb. 9, 2014 6:08 p.m.

    One comment for Kyle. They are gunning for you when you finish at the rim. The way to stop that is to pull up abruptly at the rim, duck down, wait for the impact and let them fall over the top of you. They end up getting hurt instead of you. Next time they think of jumping onto you, they will be thinking about the last disaster.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 4:37 p.m.

    This game was really revealing for a number of reasons. Yes, it's good that BYU won when Haws didn't get at least 30 points. Yes, it was good that Austin really came thru. Yes, it was good that the Cougs are in 2nd place.
    However, the biggest thing we saw was that BYU will have to play better in the WCC tourney than they ever have if they have any chance of winning it, which will be their only chance chance of going to the NCAAs. Basically, conference tourney time is about who can prepare better and which coaches can adapt better.

    After the teams have played each other twice during the season, they know each other really well. So, the Cougs can't expect any of their opponents who they beat during the season to play the way they did while losing. In previous years, the team has done poorly. Hopefully, this year they will adapt better.

    However, playing a couple of home games in the NIT won't be so bad.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 4:21 p.m.

    It's nice to be able to win a game against a very good team even when you aren't playing your best.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Feb. 9, 2014 2:46 p.m.

    I'm a baseball fan. Angels. Sometimes a guy can't buy a hit. Sometimes the pitcher can't find his slot. But when that happens, the team has to suck it up. Better defense. Take more walks. But when you win a pitcher's duel, or rob a home run in the 9th, or when you just can't get it done, that's sports. You gotta get ready for the next game.

    Lots of gnashing of teeth, guys. Dissecting poor shooting (SF had something to do with that). Not hitting free throws (pressure?). So this time the defense came through. BYU sucked it up and got 'er done.

    Excellent, tough game. Good win. Now they have to get ready for the next game.

  • Ghost Writer GILBERT, AZ
    Feb. 9, 2014 1:34 p.m.

    I hope the lights are on in the Marriott Center late into the night this week with the Cougars (all of them) inside practicing free throws.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Feb. 9, 2014 12:40 p.m.

    Nate Austin was the MVP on this game. He played well the entire game, but his two back-to-back plays down the stretch, at a critical point, were the turning point. On the defensive end, he drew the charge, negating a San Francisco bucket. And moments later, he got another offensive rebound, after a Mika miss, and slammed it home.

    I also credit Carlino who hit two back-to-back three's mid-way through the second half when SF was getting some momentum and had started to pull away.

    Great game Cougs!

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    Feb. 9, 2014 11:23 a.m.

    I am EMBARRASSED for the Cougar coaches and players for their horrible free throw efforts.

    Good high school teams shoot 65-70%....even 50 years ago. If today's decent players are expected to make most of their "open looks" from any range, how can they not make 67% (or more) from the FREE (no hands near their faces; no threat of a block) throw line?

    They should also worry about mental mistakes....1 on three defenders while driving for transition bucket; bigs attempting more than two dribbles deep in the key; guards pushing the ball recklessly in transition. Where is the coaching?

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 11:05 a.m.

    Only in the comments on a BYU story will you read about a player that scored 19 pts as having a "horrible game".

    Poyman, did you see the first half when Collinsworth was the only one keeping us in the game on offense? How about the rebounds he got? Steals? Yes he choked on those last free throws but other than that he had a solid night.

    A win is a win no matter how you get there.

    Finish Strong!

    Feb. 9, 2014 10:19 a.m.

    Really great game in every way but one: free throw shooting. Under 50 percent?? My church team does better than that. Even Haws had a tough night at the line. Looking back over the decades, this is not your typical BYU team in that regard. That being said, THANKS Cougars, for another great show.

    One minor reporting error. The Dons DID lead in the first half, once, at 10-9.

  • MizzouBlue Carthage, MO
    Feb. 9, 2014 10:12 a.m.

    Congrats Cougs! Didn't play your best game, but still managed to win. Get some rest and come out ready for next week's road trip!

  • shaybo Richfield, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 9:52 a.m.

    @idablu, Your 100% right about Carlino, I don't know what coach is thinking. BYU is definatly better with Carlino on the floor, Halford has one great game and Rose acts like they can't do without him. Meanwhile Halford just bricks one 3 pointer after another and never passes one up. I also don't get why he continues to leave Collinsworth in the game at the end when the other team is committing intentional fouls.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 9, 2014 9:40 a.m.

    BYU is working their way into the NCAA tournament, good for them. A win over Gonzaga would be huge. I look forward to that game, Zags are a little down this year but still a solid team!

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 9, 2014 9:15 a.m.

    Missed FREE THROWS are killing this team. Maybe they should hire Eddy to teach some shooting skills from the stripe. Eddy Palubinskas came from Australia to play at Ricks College about 1969 or '70. He then followed Pete Maravich as the point guard at LSU and later became a high school coach in Idaho. As a sportscaster for well over 45 years, I had several conversations with Eddy about free throw shooting. He set a Guinness book of world record for free throw shooting that still might stand today. His approach to shooting foul shots is simple and would help anyone improve. He even tutored "Shaq" and improved his shooting tremendously. My advice to BYU coaches is to have their players "study" the shooting technique and then have them go out and practice it.

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    Feb. 9, 2014 8:50 a.m.

    Well, if you can't make free throws, offensive rebounding is a good way to compensate. Better free-throw shooting, however, would have made the difference in more than half of BYU's losses so far, and the Santa Clara game on Thursday showed how good the Cougs can be when they knock 'em down.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 8:44 a.m.

    Games against San Francisco are always nail-biters. Glad to see that BYU was able to pull this one out to secure sole possession of 2nd in the WCC.

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 9, 2014 8:35 a.m.

    Keep it up Cougs! You're peaking at a critical time. Everybody seems to be playing better and everyone is gelling. Haws and Collinsworth are becoming a more dangerous 1-2 punch than Haws and Carlino. Collinsworth has been a big surprise and he's very crafty similar to Manu Ginobili in the NBA (minus the free shooting). We'll see how they do on the road this week at Pacific and at St. Mary's. BYU has been an excellent home team this year but on the road with the exception of a couple good road and neutral site games has been dismal. Go Cougars!!

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Feb. 9, 2014 7:16 a.m.

    Sorry - 14 of 29 just isn't going to cut it.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Feb. 9, 2014 6:30 a.m.

    Great job on the boards but still woeful from the stripes! Even Haws was struggling and had an off night I thought. Their energy was awesome but their shots were just not falling thus the Dons were still hanging around and even led most of the time in the 2nd half. Glad they pulled out the win though. It'll be interesting to see how they fare against the Zags who lost last night to Memphis the next time around. Can't wait to see!

    Go Cougars!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 9, 2014 2:25 a.m.

    Tough game... One the Cougs could have easily lost... In fact, had Tollefson avoided foul trouble it could have gone the other way.

    I hate to be critical but...Collinsworth had a horrible game (even with his 19 points)... He's always strong on Defense (in fact the best we have) and he rebounds extremely well for a 6'6" guy but that's where it ends... His Offensive skills need a ton of work... He has no confidence in his 3 balls or midrange shots and as a result his defender sags on him and clogs up the middle and/or double teams Mika... He drives well, but his speed is average and so it's difficult for him to beat his man... When he does get to the rim he can usually finish but he also has a lot of TOs (usually about the same amount as assists)... And his FT shooting is possibly the worst that I've seen from a college Small Forward or Guard... If no improvement look for "hack a Kyle" styrategies from opponents. I've heard he has aspirations of playing at the next level but that won't happen unless he dramatically improves his "O"...

  • LadyMoon Crestucky, FL
    Feb. 9, 2014 1:36 a.m.

    For the reporter's headline to say the Cougs "...squeak out" a victory, he misled the readers by failing to report the real significance and importance of the win to the readers. How sbout: "Cougars tough out key victory over San Francisco!"

  • MurrayMike Murray, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 1:18 a.m.

    Good win, not a great one. I was impressed with out rebounding and defensive. Hoping we can beat St. Mary's on the road and Gonzaga at home to wrap up a NCAA berth.....go cougars

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    Feb. 9, 2014 12:10 a.m.

    It was great to watch the game on BYUtv. Austin was a beast. Great to see him come on tonight in defense, rebounds and in scoring.

    Great crowd, that came to life and fed the Cougs down the stretch when they needed it. I wish I could have been there!

    These Dons are for real. I hope they do well from here on out (unless we face them in Vegas).

    Goooo Cougars!

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 11:14 p.m.

    It's a good thing BYU won the rebounding battle because the shooting was horrible tonight. 48% on free throws! Yikes! They've got to fix that. Nice to have a close gut it out kind of win at this point in the season. Hope the shooting gets better heading into this road trip, especially against St. Mary's.

  • 93 COUGAR Orem, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 9:56 p.m.

    It was an ugly win but it was a WIN. Second place. The Cougars will have to finish strong but the big dance is still in sight.

    Austin and Mika were incredible on the boards tonight!

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 8, 2014 9:54 p.m.

    Rebounding (Austin) won this game for BYU. HORRIFIC free throw shooting almost lost it. Mika was a beast with a double double..
    Poor 3 pt shooting (except Carlino) was also a thorn.

    I think it's time to give Carlino his starting job back. The team plays better with him on the court and he was 1 assist shy of a double double himself on limited minutes. Halford just isn't contributing much lately in any category.

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 9:51 p.m.

    Any win at this point in the season is a good win but that was NOT pretty! What is it going to take to get this team to hit their free throws? The good rebounding is the only thing that won the game. At least they got it done at the end. Got to keep it going through the end!

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Feb. 8, 2014 9:44 p.m.

    It was definitely the edge on the glass that got BYU this win. They couldn't buy a shot for most of the game. Yes, SF played some pretty good D, but even when they were wide open the Cougars couldn't hit anything for much of the night. Meanwhile, SF seemed to get every roll.

    Free throw shooting: just plain ugly. It looked a lot like fatigue to me. Too few guys have played too many minutes. But what can Rose do? Once again, other than Carlino, the bench came up empty. Other than Matty, only one other bench player even recorded a positive statistic. That was Worthington with 3 rebounds. Bench needs to do more.

    Ugly game. BYU played horribly, but still managed to win. Breath a sigh of relief and move on to the next one (and hope they don't have to play SF again in the WCC Tournament.)

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    Feb. 8, 2014 9:33 p.m.

    FG%: 41.7

    FT%: 48.3

    OREB: 20
    DREB: 27

    Offensive rebounding saved the game for the Cougs tonight; otherwise a terrible night for the offense.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Feb. 8, 2014 9:21 p.m.

    Good win. Free throws haunt this team again. 2-8 for Collinsworth, and 5-8 for Haws. Not impressive from the line, but we take it as a win.