Opposition to cockfighting bill raised in Senate committee meeting

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  • nanagotta Vernal, UT
    Feb. 12, 2014 1:58 p.m.

    Felony laws should be where and human hurts another human, not over a chicken.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 2:35 p.m.

    Fowl fighting is not defensible, but neither is mixed martial arts (MMA). Fowl fighting should be punishable under some law and it should not be a felony. Sen. Davis - propose some other bill to assuage you conscience and demonstrate your humanity, but not this one.

  • Erda man Erda, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 11:24 a.m.

    Have we not bigger fish to fry? Felons? Seriously? The average cost per day for incarceration, I would venture to say, over a 100 dollars. I say we concentrate on the things that kill people, not chickens. For example, texting behind the wheel, drug and alcohol abuse, murder, and the list goes on. I would like to share that law officers are strapped with enough burden and need not be private enforcers for animal rights groups. Yes, they must respond to these reports and surrender valuable time. I have seen, in animal rights videos, activists wearing mock ATF uniforms and assisting in raids on cockfighting rings. This now becoming an illegal seizure, and from there on they follow it into the courtroom, costing taxpayers thousands of dollars. Oh and these seized birds are put to death. OK. Think about it.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 10:53 a.m.

    Interesting rationalizations for cockfighting:

    "We don't have room in the prisons" -- Completely discounts law's deterrent effect (when enforced).

    "...drive it so far underground..." -- That is a rationalization. It is like saying we should give the would-be shoplifter what he wants so that he isn't tempted to shoplift.

    "...then maybe we should make everything a felony" -- Discounts the distinct cruelty and depravity of cockfighting.

    "let's make it a felony... if anybody runs, it gives the police the right to shoot..." -- Ridiculously false logical leap. No one would be shot in the back running away from a cockfight.

    "...if cockfighting were legalized ... it would make ... empty property worth double the value and bring hundreds of jobs to the state" -- Implies that money and profit is the most important desideratum. (Greed)

    "People made homeless and jobless by a 'felon' label, turn to more serious crimes..." Again, let that act as a deterrent.

    Cockfighting is not part of American culture and we don't want it here -- even if makes some businessmen's employees happy.

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    Feb. 9, 2014 9:00 a.m.

    Lets not make more things felony's. What is a felony nowadays? Were you cockfighting? Selling drugs? Smuggling snakes? Abusing Children? Give me a break.

  • SenoraJefe orem, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 5:32 p.m.

    Yes it should be illegal, but certainly not a felony! I'm sure there would be less occurances if it was made into a felony, but if you have that attitude then maybe we should make everything a felony. That would be a very bad idea, now wouldn't it?

  • Constitution Is King Brigham, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 2:30 p.m.

    When we turn people into "Felons" we create a huge burden on society. Felons have a hard time getting jobs, finding apartments, etc.. People made homeless and jobless by a "felon" label, turn to more serious crimes to survive. The label of "Felon" should be reserved for people who are notoriously dangerous, otherwise, the label becomes meaningless. I'd rather see these cock-fighters get hit with serious fines and have to do a LOT of community service, rather than labeling them as felons.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 2:16 p.m.

    Re: "There is no excuse for cock fighting."

    Of course there isn't. But there's also no excuse for meaningless, harmful liberal symbolism in lawmaking, either.

    It's interesting that those calling for hypercriminalization of this abomination towards roosters are the same people calling for decriminalization of marijuana, along with the misery that will entail, as well as the "hospitality" industry's enabling and encouraging of the carnage caused by DUI.

    Why do they love roosters, but hate innocent people?

  • OlderGreg USA, CA
    Feb. 8, 2014 1:46 p.m.

    Clueless city-slickers.

    Our chief rooster, like the others before him, puts himself between "his" flock/girls/chicks and any strange critter. He starts with a warning call that sends the flock into hiding, and a display that, if ignored will turn into a vicious attack on the threatening beast. It sometimes winds up being a personal sacrifice.

    The younger roosters will occasionally challenge him -- sometimes fatally (Oh my! Cock fight! Horrors!).
    I do personally bet on the outcome --- always a good rooster for the flock. I do not give them artificial spurs. I guess $ and hardware might be a significant difference in the issue under discussion here.

    Chickens do fight (especially good roosters). The phrase "pecking order" comes from that.

  • badcompany rudy, AR
    Feb. 8, 2014 11:05 a.m.

    sure, let's make it a felony; that way in case of a raid at night if anybody runs, it gives the police the right to shoot no matter what age the individual is. a chicken's life surely is worth more than a human life. what kind of organization has convinced the public and the state officials that a chickens life is worth more than a human life. money can be real convincing, look at oklahoma, animal activist money turned a 100 million dollar a year industry into a crime. let's fill the jails with people over a chicken, let the other bigger crimes go free. if cockfighting were legalized and state controlled it would make every piece of empty property worth double the value and bring hundreds of jobs to the state. talking about gambling and drugs , illegal bookmaking is huge in our college games and even high school games. and there are more drugs at pro sports than any cockfighting event. we have to think about our oath of office to protect our rights and not be bought out by big money.

  • md Cache, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 9:57 a.m.

    A felony? Really?

    @cjb Plants are alive. We "murder" them to eat. Animals are alive. We "murder" them to eat. I don't think these roosters are murdered.

    I agree that cockfighting is disgusting, but it doesn't warrant a felony. We have too many inmates costing 40K per year to house, clothe, feed and heal. Let's keep this in perspective.

    This is just a legislator trying to justify his elected job by creating more laws.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 1:48 a.m.

    There is no excuse for cock fighting. There is a law against murder and therefore it is driven underground, but it is justice that the law exist and people are punished.