Diverse democracies

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  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Feb. 9, 2014 1:49 p.m.

    "And how did JCS get the idea that it was "liberals" out there trying to promote democracy everywhere?"

    So Mark you didn't get the memo. According to JCS liberals are responsible for all dog bites, and cloudy days. Heavens it only stands to reason that they are responsible for something as pernicious as nation building.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Feb. 8, 2014 9:10 p.m.

    Did Washington intend for his foreign policy advice to apply into the future forever? The world has undergone plenty of changes in the last 200 years.

    And how did JCS get the idea that it was "liberals" out there trying to promote democracy everywhere? I don't recall many liberals standing with Bush and Cheney when the term "regime change" was being thrown around like a weekend camping trip.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Feb. 8, 2014 2:22 p.m.

    Passing judgment on Russia's future is about a thousand times bigger than any question Dan L has actually faced as a legislator.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 1:41 p.m.

    Corrupt elections, few human rights, diversity not respected, little religious freedom and supporting terrorists (Iran). One cannot have a "diverse democracy" and yet have the previous characteristics.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 1:07 p.m.

    George Washington himself stated that America must avoid all foreign entanglements unless national security is directly at risk. Far too many left-wing liberals have ignored this sage advice and have gotten this Country involved in one mess after another.

    When will the liberals learn that we cannot force democracy on unwilling nations? If the barbaric nations want to massacre themselves, it is none of America's business.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 10:00 a.m.

    How much democracy (rule of the people) is there when only about a tenth of our population feel their Congress is doing a good job? We have enough democracy to vote them in, under their false pretenses, but when the election is over so is our democracy... unless, of course, we make our congressmen keep their promises or throw them out of office in disgrace.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 9:46 a.m.

    Time and again throughout the world we see how conservative ideas work and leftist, liberal, socialist, communist ideas fail. In France with a left wing president things got so bad the EU thought about kicking them out. Wealthy people overtaxed voted with their feet leaving the country. So they went to Reaganomics. Now the conservatives in France don't know what to do as their issues have been taken over. Russia must contend with China and Al quaeda. Europe is not a danger to them or us. Nate Said it well.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 9:35 a.m.


    For example --
    God's Kingdom is NOT a Democracy.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Feb. 8, 2014 8:48 a.m.

    Actually there's a good case for the opinion that capitalism is not inherently good for democracies.

    When entrepreneurs and the owners of capital gain dominance over workers who only own their own labor to the point that the former group can set their own wage, democracy suffers or disappears.

    America went through a unique period from 1910 to 1970 where because of two world wars and the great depression entrepreneurs and capital owners did not have dominance so democracy both political and economic flourished.

    Then along came Regan who flipped the equation (it actually wasn't that simple but he and his policies are the perfect example).

    Think of the undeniable economic inequality that has developed in this country, and I'm not talking about the rich and the poor. I'm talking about the inequality between the workers and the owners.

    Then consider what Citizens United has done to the political process and the picture becomes clear.

    Unfortunately the entire conservative approach is to quote the economic success of the distorted decades and believe that those policies are in any way applicable now.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    Feb. 8, 2014 6:28 a.m.

    @Keith Barney "So why is it that we cannot accept the ideas and motives of other countries?"

    Because socialist criminal oligarchies have a poor track record.