Demisana wrote:"@RG because if the Church is paying them for
access, it's our tithing funds that paid for it. To my knowledge
non-members don't usually pay tithing."I do.
This is great for LDS members, but those of us who have helped index these
records are getting a slap in the face from family search I suspect the indexing
will now slow to a crawl.
People with existing subscriptions have asked questions. First I do not believe
there would be and option for a refund unless you had just renewed within the
last 30 days when you received your email notice of free access. Second when you
receive an email invitation, you would be offered to converty your existing
accounts. Not all members will receive the access at the same time. They will
have to roll this out over a period of weeks and months to allow the partner
sites to absorb and establish the large influx of new accounts. I would caution
church members to be patient, thier turn will come. Watch for an email
invitation this summer.
Some have asked why the agreement did not include free access to partner sites
for non-members. I do not believe it has anything to do with payment or
non-payment of tithing. The case can also be made that many non-members
contrubute substantially in time indexing, and service at FHC. Agreements must
have equal considerations for both parties, and I am not sure how the partner
sites could grant free access to non-member, would that not include everyone
worldwide, and put the partner site out of business? I have no connection to
the agreement, and I am just speculating.
sukiyhtaky,You have an excellent argument. I hope that people in
your situation are granted some benefits as well.
I read this article with tears in my eyes! What a great time to be alive! What
a blessing this will be! I am one of those who cannot afford the subscription
& don't always have time to get to the library or Family History Center
to access their version. The strides being taken in Family History Work are
amazing & what a blessing technology has been to increase accessibility to
so many records & the speed at which these records are being added to is
nothing short of miraculous!
Our local FHC currently only has the "Institutional" version of
Ancestry.com It sounds like once this is implemented, those at the FHC will
have access to the FULL version of Ancestry.com and the other two subscription
programs. Since I am a member of the LDS Church, it sounds like I will be able
to work from home. Guess I have earned it, am the SID for the past 11+ years.
This is indeed a marvelous development.
The best news yet, I pay for Ancestry, around 400.00 a year and it keeps going
up here in Australia. I use Ancestry every day, so this is such good news, I
know so many people who will now be able to go deeper into their families.
What a wonderful blessing, thank you to those who have worked with Ancestry,and
others. I know the Church is sharing I believe over 1 billion names, so this
seems to be a wonderful trade off. This is going out to my ward. So wonderful
when we can all come together and work for the good. This is the Lord's
work progressing. Thank you.
My ancestry subscription is up 3/10/14. I called and they said that world access
would be $299 this year (special last year of $199). I can't afford $299.
My question is when this transaction takes place, will I have access to my
information on ancestry now or will I have to start all over again. Can someone
please answer this for me? Thanks!
Very excited about this announcement. I am at the point in my family history
work that I need access to Ancestry to verify accuracy and correct inaccurate
information in my records. Can't afford the subscription right now so this
article brings very welcome news.
3-4 years ago when enticing non=members to do indexing, vague promises were made
that those who made substantial contributions would have access to paid sites in
the works as LDS were going to have. Well, we jumped in, we contributed
signigicantly more than many LDS members...I personally have 80,000 names in
with a 98% accuracy...only to see I suspect as do others, that our work was
being passed over to Ancestry for them to sell. Will FS honor their promise to
us? and make provision for those free accounts as a reward for our work? And
before anyone hits me with the tithing excuse...I went to BYU as a nonmember and
I give them $50 a month to the President's fund and 25 a month to
BYU-TV...as well as other non-LDS donations. So I'm waiting, but not
canceling my Ancestry membership.
I can certainly see how this might seem "unfair" to those who are paying
for subscriptions. In my experience, I really can't think of anybody I know
that is involved in genealogy simply for the sake of going farther than the next
guy. Genealogy is history on a personal scale. It helps satisfy a deep need to
understand how we fit into the broader world around us. It truly is a journey of
many lifetimes woven together from the past, the present and the future. I
really am not concerned with how or why they have access. Think of it. Opening
access to these records to millions of people who seem truly motivated to search
out their ancestry is only going to help people of all faiths to find more
success in their lines.I truly believe this is a huge step forward for
everybody. With this development, we are going to see a blossoming of success
unlike anything we have ever experienced.
This is AWESOME news! It is my understanding that around last September the
church PAID Ancestory.com about $60 million dollars and opened the "Granite
Mountain Vaults" so to speak to have them come in and help to digitize all
the records we have. The church has said it would take us about 300 yrs. to do
all this digitizing on our own even with all the vast amount of volunteers we
have. Our church leaders know the urgency with which the Lord wants this work
put on line so families around the world can find their ancestors. I know their
are many who feel that giving free memberships to LDS members is not fair but it
was the tithing funds of members that was used to PAY Ancestory.com. So in
essence we have already paid for our memberships. Plus our Family History
Centers are open free to the public with any and all the records we have. Since
the beginning of Ancestory.com much of the information they have came from the
LDS church and we NEVER charged them for the records we had. This collaboration
with these different companies is going to be a win win for everyone involved!
@ GrandmaInMO Access will probably be through church membership numbers. Family
Search requires our membership numbers when we first sign up so I figure the
same will be had for these websites as well.
southmtnman,LDS church members have been advised it is against LDS
church policy for members to do temple work for anyone other than family
When does this start? What a blessing! I would love to have ancestry.com for
free as I have been paying for it for over a year or two and really can't
afford it right now. This is amazing announcement. Thank you.
When is this going to occur?
As LLJ123 points out, this is not all good news.Many non-LDS have a
legitimate concern that now their ancestor's records will be exploited by
Mormons to "convert" them through proxy baptisms for the dead.For example, The LDS Church has a demonstrated history of disregarding the
feelings of Jews by doing baptisms of Holocaust victims.Some
reassurances are in order.
This would be a dream come true--I'm so broke, I can't even pay
attention! I'm "addicted" to family tree-climbing, and to the
extent I could, contributed all possible to Ancestry's records and photos,
including finding family I connected with on Facebook, and through one cousin,
other relatives online as well. I'm looking forward to doing all I can to
shake the "nuts and dolts" as my Uncle Les put it, out of our trees!
I've got like-minded friends who are all in, so keep us all abreast of the
I already have a US subscription to Ancestry that will run out in April. How do
I get the free world connection or is it just through the libraries. And why is
it only for church members. Isn't that going to cause some static? I
think it is great, I would love to be a part of this. Thank you.
I also can understand, some, who are not members of this Church, wondering why
they aren't getting the same thing. I'm sure the Church has made an
agreement with the companies that they are not giving it for "free" to
everyone. The LDS Church is paying and/or has made some type of trade to receive
this. The companies cannot just open their companies for free to everyone. They
are businesses and it takes money to run them. The Church has met some type of
compensation to make it possible to make the deal they have. However, making
this free to anyone who wishes to go to a History Center is, also, very generous
of the involved companies. I am very thrilled over this. What a wonderful
opportunity for all of us. Thank you to the companies for their generosity and
to the LDS Church for making this opportunity available.
LLJ123:Access will not include the family trees on Ancestry or other
features Ancestry provides. It is records only, and some of those records
originally came from FamilySearch.
LLJ123 I feel your frustration and understand how it may feel unfair. One
thing this article didn’t mention is how we are not really getting it for
free, we are paying through our tithing funds. Those who are not members do not
pay into this fund. Members of the LDS faith have a different purpose for
finding our ancestors who have passed on than do those not of our faith so I can
understand why the Church has worked hard to make this more available to all
it’s members, progressing forward with the purpose of our faith. You
can still access it for free through the Family History centers all over the
world. You don’t have to be a member to use those centers nor will they
try to convert you there. May you be blessed in your search for your ancestors.
I am so excited by this news! I can't wait! I am the family history
researcher in my family and also do all the research for my husband's,
ex-husband's and other friends' families. I have long wanted a World
subscription to Ancestry but just couldn't afford it. I am incredibly
excited to see where this new access will take me in my genealogy studies! This
will be an amazing help and blessing!
Glad to hear the Church is finally working with Ancestry.com, I too, like most
members, cannot afford to pay the high monthly fees for research, but I do
recognize there are many sites which have lots of information we could use to
verify the authenticity of our records.,..
My Ancestry.com tree is now private and I will only share upon careful
consideration of who I am dealing with. I really feel taken advantage of. The
Ancestry.com experience is feeling more like a rip off than ever. So unfair. I
did not know that I was signing up to a service of the Mormon Church when I
joined Ancestry. They certainly do not advertise it that way. It is presented as
a service for paying subscribers. Now that I know I am working directly with the
Mormon church I had better consider a way of removing my 3000+ member tree
completely and work with some other genealogy database. What a rotten
I have been a loyal customer of Ancestry.com for years and have worked very hard
on my tree. I have maintained a public tree in the spirit of sharing with other
Ancestry.com members. I find this free access for some and not others is just
awful. How dare they make ME pay for the Ancestry.com usage of others who do not
contribute a penny. Ancestry.com already has free use of all my research for
free, research I have sweat over and invested a lot of time and money in, in
fact I pay them as well! Now Mormons get access to it without even paying! This
is just so unfair. I certainly can not afford World Access!
David ancestry.com is awesome. I'm just curious how soon eventually is. I
have been doing my genealogy for over 20 years but have found doing research out
of the United States is expensive. So yeah for being able to do research in
Someone mentioned they wondered why this offer was just going to Church members.
It is just a guess, but I would think it is because it is funds that members
pay in, that could be helping to pay for it. I am excited over this wonderful
This is very good news.... now I hope that their will be a way to convert and
link the data that we have done these other sites to Family Search.
I hope this access comes soon! :D I'll be able to do my husband's
family history work, at last! :D
@RGNever forget that Ancestry.Com built it's business on 100
years of record gathering and data, compiled by the LDS Church and it's
members.Whatever deal they agreed to, will be beneficial to both parties.
This is such a great news. I'm so excited!
The church has granted access to it's data to these co's for years,
it's about time that members can view it for less than an arm and a leg!
Family History Centers are free for everyone to use, not justChurch
members. It says free to the "General public" but the headline is
misleading, sounding exclusionary. Materials in the Family History Centers have
always been free or almost free to members and the General public. It isn't
uncommon to have more of the public using the family history centers than church
This is wonderful news! Making it world wide is such a blessing to those doing
family history research. I have been limited to doing only US research due to
lack of funds so am very excited. :D
Great news! FamilySearch made a trade - some of their records for access to My
Heritage, Ancestry, and Find My Past. FamilySearch has crews copying records in
40 countries on any given day. Instead of duplicating what the three
subscription sites had, they negotiated to give members access. On the website
of My Heritage (records covering 60 countries), they state: "2.2 billion
records coming from FamilySearch!" It's a win-win for everyone!
Wonderful News. I am lucky enough to serve as a Consultant at my ward Family
Histroy Centre. 2013 was a fantastic one for my research. Having heard from an
unknown american member (non lds) of my grandmother's line in April who had
all her family on Ancestry.com I have spent many many hours in the centre
transferring her data onto paper and then many hours putting it onto Familytree
I now have a few years temple work to do Unless a church member pops up to do it
( I am the only one in my extended family) My great great grandfather chenged
the spelling of the surname so I did not know of the existence of his 4 siblings
that emigrated to America in 1850/60s Information the she had has solved 3
problems I have been researching for 24 years. I cannot afford a subscription
and need the world one for my Irish ancestry
Is one of the perks supporting a private enterprise? Is this a club or
association, or something else?
When? The article didn't say how soon this will be available. How will we
get the information on how to access the sites.
To Esquire: You need to realize that when you belong to an organization, you
receive certain perks. Being an LDS member, this is just one of many of the
perks I have by being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints. Everyone has that same opportunity. I'm not saying that one should
join the Church so as to receive a free subscription to these sites,
nevertheless, it is one of the perks members have.
I spent a summer during college working for Ancestry-.-com (comments apparently
can't contain URLs, even when the URL is in fact the companies name...). It
is an exceptional resource. For anyone interested in family history, what an
Re: EsquireSupport comes from both access to church materials (for
the 3 companies) and from tithing (or other similar funding). Anyone who is not
a member can go into a church family history center and get access for free so
it's not just for church members. People are welcome to join the church if
they want access from home.
I do not know why my comments are being denied... Here is my 3rd attempt to
express my JOY at this negotiation going through... It is a huge day for all
who love their ancestors and want to find their records. Very Good Day! Thanks
to all who were involved in this process of negotiations. Truly amazing.
Now if we can get the newpapers or some other entity to publish free obituaries.
They have become so expensive that ususally only very short versions of an
individual's life is printed. Yet an obituary is a very important
historical record and needs to be preserved for future generations.
Wow! This is really huge!! Tell ALL you know about this. Really, fantastic.
World edition of Ancestry is pricey, and to get it for FREE as a member of the
Church! Wow, I am just thrilled. We are on the brink of something big here, the
records are going to be opening up at an accelerated pace! I feel like I am
witnessing a miracle - a vision of the Old Testament days or something. Just
Awesome! Thank you for negotiating this for family researchers - thank you so
much. Quoting Joseph Smith: The greatest responsibility in this
world that God has laid upon us is to seek after our dead. Do you
believe this quote? I do! Taste the sweetness that accompanies researching
one's ancestors and submitting their names for ordinances in the Temple.
There is no greater feeling than this (Spirit of Elijah is real).
I really don't care why we're getting access for free. It
doesn't matter what deal was struck, if the Leadership of the Church feels
this is important, I support it fully. I have full confidence that they take
their stewardship of the Lord's funds extremely serious. Hastening the
Work isn't just for the living, it's obvious to me that those on the
other side of the veil want their work done too!
For the past few years I've been finding my census and vital records
through Ancestry and adding the info to my AQ database, then re-entering info
into FamilySearch, a 3-step process, but I had to find obituaries on my own
after family members died. I recently started adding those obits and histories
and other sources to my family trees in Ancestry with the intention of adding
them to Family Search Family Tree later on. I still have difficulties using
Family Tree but hope some improvements will make it easier for me to have
correct and complete records. If these record sources ever merge it would save a
great deal of work on my part but every improvement is appreciated.
@RG because if the Church is paying them for access, it's our tithing funds
that paid for it. To my knowledge non-members don't usually pay tithing.
This is great so when will we know that we can request a refund on the remainder
of our Ancestry.com subscription? Ha!
@RG, I read an article earlier that told about how Family Search is giving
Ancestry.com access to the records in the Granite Mountain. I imagine this is
I kind of have to agree with RG. This is good, but why the deal for just Church
Ancestry is great, but sure wish one of the genealogical programs/companies
would go into South Africa and extract records. Currently SA records are a mess
and piled in boxes.
I am so excited about this. I have wanted a membership to Ancestry.com but it is
far out of my reach financially. This is exciting and I can't wait for it
This is such wonderful news!
So, perhaps many DN readers like me are curious how much (if any) the Church had
to pay these companies.
The doors to heaven are being opened wider for family history. I'm excited
about using ancestry.com. I have heard they are an awesome program that will
help me further in my family research. David L. Stone