Move the Utah State Prison, relocation authority tells lawmakers

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  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Feb. 10, 2014 5:06 p.m.

    I have previously worked for Department of Corrections. I can guarantee no matter where the new location is it will be opposed. lawsuits will be filed, people will demonstrate. It is a no win situation. A move was proposed to I believe the Fillmore area. One demonstrator held a sign that said I don't want my children to work at a prison. I was a Correctional Officer at the time with B.S, degree. People have a lot of misconceptions about prisons. They think that everyone who is incarcerated is an axe murderer. Moving the prison to a remote location will cause a lot of problems. There are over two hundred volunteers that donate time. They are not going to drive to West Box Elder County. What about medical care. Let's say an employee is injured and the nearest hospital two hours away. I am for relocation only if a suitable location can be found. I don't see that happening. The Not in my backyard philosophy is prevalent in Utah.

  • oddman ,
    Feb. 10, 2014 9:15 a.m.

    Move it to Thompson or Green River. What an economic boom that would be for them. Move the judicial buildings there too. They could provide cheap labor for the melon fields and when they escaped it would be much easier to find them in their brand new pink undies. Just think of the tans they could get to enhance their tattoos with the endless sunshine. Heck, they could even be used to build a gigantic water park in Cresent Junction and help develop the lone and dreary world of the Utah Desert.

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 3:07 p.m.

    All these complaints about our legislators, so who are you going to vote for next time? Yeah, thats what I thought. The only person on the board to vote no was a Democrat.

  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    Feb. 6, 2014 1:16 p.m.

    To "Fred44" yes, taxpayers will have to pay for the relocation, but they will have to pay to upgrade the prison and to maintain it. In reading the report, it seems like if the area is developed into a similar neighborhood as the surrounding area, the additional tax revenues in combination with the sale of the land will offset much of the cost to build the new prison. Then, with the additional continued tax revenues that the state would collect through the high value of the property and the property taxes, the impact to the state budget will be negligible.

    Overall, the report makes a compelling case for moving the prison, you should read it.

  • Legal? Saint George, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 1:03 p.m.

    Buy and raze the homes close the refineries and move the prison there.

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 12:23 p.m.


    "I know that the liberals here hate it when somebody profits..."

    ... and I know that the conservatives love to use a broad brush...

    Sniping is always the best way to get your point across.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 6, 2014 12:19 p.m.


    Let me help you even though I am not a liberal I am actually a conservative, but I will try anyway. Who is a paying for the new prison? Taxpayers. Who is paying for the relocation? Tax payers. Who will pay for the increased costs associated with moving the prison further from Salt Lake? Taxpayers. How long will it take to recoup the money spent? At least 10 years if developers are not given a sweetheart tax deal, which we all know will happen.

    So the bottom line is that Joe taxpayer will have a his/her money "confiscated" for a new prison so a small group of developers can get richer than they are now.

  • JMHO Southern, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 12:11 p.m.

    To SP: Bluffdale used to be more rural than Cedar City. It doesn't matter where they move the prison to, urban sprawl will soon (20 - 50 years) engulf it. Who would've thought 30 years ago that houses would be high value near the point? Only insiders.

  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    Feb. 6, 2014 11:52 a.m.

    After actually reading the report, I can see that there is a compelling case showing that moving the prision is beneficial to the state.

    My only concern would be the location. It would be best to move it to a location that does not require the family of the inmates to travel excessively far to visit their family members.

    I know that the liberals here hate it when somebody profits, but in this case this outside group along with the companies that gave their inputs show that it is possible for this to be an economic benefit. So, my question to the liberals here is why don't you want the state to have this economic benefit?

  • lket Bluffdale, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 11:47 a.m.

    micron got so many tax breaks and water rights given to it and then never opened to full operation.
    the reason utah is buds with big companies is the average Joe pays more tax than mant corporations do. we new at the first they would ok the move only the mayor was against it. go krony and self interest of elected.

  • CB Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 11:15 a.m.

    Have to agree with with 'Particulars'. Having all these problems with air quality, and now
    they want to add how many more thousand of cars, homes, Bar BQ's, etc. at the point of the mountain to flow down into the valley? This does not make sense when on one hand you are
    trying to overcome the pollution and on the other hand making plans to put even more into the

  • Prodicus Provo, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 10:46 a.m.

    This is what the caucus system does to us, folks. Our legislators do not feel they are at all accountable to the general public. They are more beholden to real estate developers.

    People keep claiming that primaries are easy for moneyed interests to buy, but it's a lot easier and cheaper for those wishing to profit at the public's expense to sway a few dozen delegates than tens of thousands of voters.

    Count My Vote won't fix our system entirely. But it, along with dumping many of our present legislators, would be quite a good start.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Feb. 6, 2014 10:45 a.m.

    This is going to be fun to watch. By comparison, the massively corrupt $50 billion Sochi debacle now on the backs of Russian taxpayers will look like a picnic.

  • Particulars of no Consequence Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 10:37 a.m.

    @SP - What currently impacts your quality life more?
    (1) the presence of the prison or (2) the air quality in the SL valley

    Do you understand the source of our air quality issues? It is not the refineries in North SL, it is the cars in the valley. What do you think will happen to the number of cars as we cater to real estate developers and provide public subsidization for the construction of large numbers of new homes and their infrastructure?

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 10:00 a.m.


    "Do any of these people commenting on this article live in the Draper/Bluffdale area?"

    If so, was it a surprise that there was a prison there?

  • SP Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 9:09 a.m.

    Do any of these people commenting on this article live in the Draper/Bluffdale area? Do we really want a huge prison in the geographical center of the Utah County/Salt Lake County metro area?

    On the one hand there is the short term cost to move the prison. On the other hand there is the livability and desirability of our metro area for the next 200 years.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 9:04 a.m.

    I'd be interested in who is on the committee. Since we already have a facility in place, why do we need to build another? Let's spend the money on upgrading the facility that is in place instead of enriching a bunch of developers.

    I agree with skibird. There will be so many tax breaks given that the state won't get anything for years.

  • skibird Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 8:24 a.m.

    The Legislators pushing the hardest for this keep saying that the State will get a lot of money from future taxes that will come in. Yet you know that any business/company that buys the land will get massive tax breaks and the money the Legislature is promising won't actually happen.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 8:20 a.m.

    Money talks.

  • stevo123 slc, ut
    Feb. 6, 2014 8:00 a.m.

    Folks, This is going to cost a cool Billion before it is done. It would be far cheaper to cut a ten million dollar check to each of the supporter/developers. Privatize the profit, Socialize the cost, the Utah way.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 7:42 a.m.

    If they insist on moving the prison, it should be required for them to build the new one in Park city. And the real estate developers that will benefit financially need to pay the full cost.

  • Spiff Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 6:56 a.m.

    Follow the money my friends, follow the "tax payer" money.

  • CynicJim Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 6, 2014 6:21 a.m.

    This thing just snowballs. The estimates for the move is in the 850 million dollar range. The Legislator should ask for half that from the developers as front money, the loans would quickly be paid off from the profits they will realize from their development. The current site is paid for and except for potential profit to developers there is no reason to move the prison. Com'on Gov, let's put a stop to this.

  • McMurphy St George, Utah
    Feb. 5, 2014 11:16 p.m.

    Rock has it right. Was there every any serious doubt about what the recommendation would be?? There is far too much money to be made buying and selling property by our Lords and Masters on Capitol Hill or their friends to just leave things be. An annual economic benefit of $1 billion plus ?? Really ?? Every year ??

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 5, 2014 11:13 p.m.

    Follow the money. There is still no compelling reason given to move.

    The costs to taxpayers will be enormous, regardless of whatever is promised, and the ongoing costs for transportation of prisoners for trials, medical treatment and the like will be astronomical compared to present, and cost to staff the prison away from the Wasatch front will be much higher.

    Let's see some actual facts and numbers from UNBIASED sources, not the real estate speculators who stand to profit from this scheme.

  • SP Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 5, 2014 8:35 p.m.

    It is reassuring to see people take bold steps for the long-term good of a city. It is a good change from the short-term focus of most politicians.

    Now I wish we could do the same thing with the oil refineries near Bountiful!

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 5, 2014 8:07 p.m.

    The real estate agents/developers that populate the Utah Legislature must be thrilled. Think of all the taxpayer money set to come their and their friends way. Isn't socialism grand (privatize the gain, socialize the cost).