Importing dirty air

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  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 4, 2014 8:00 a.m.

    To "Badgerbadger" the problem is that there is no simple solution. That is why I question anybody who just wants to convert over to any of the alternative fuel solutions.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Feb. 3, 2014 5:19 p.m.

    "Roland - maybe our smog comes from China too. Get them to stop."

    I'd love to. Lets get rid of the subsidies we handout to our corporations who are in China. Lets drastically raise taxes on them. Lets force them back here to comply with our restrictions.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Feb. 3, 2014 3:13 p.m.

    REdshirt " how do you propose to tax vehicles that do not burn fuel?"

    Great question. It is the question I have for you.

    That is the problem. Utah is already short on road funds and is discussing a raise in the gas tax. If we eliminate use of gas, no taxes will be collected to maintain the roads. So HOW DO YOU propose we pay for roads? HOW DO YOU propose we have those from out of state, who use our roads, contribute to the road maintenance?

    Sounds to me like the citizens will get triple hammered. More expensive cars, more expensive fuel for cars and house heat, and then add another tax to replace the gas tax.

    I am not saying we shouldn't consider alternatives, but we should do it with our eyes wide open to all the effects.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Feb. 3, 2014 1:44 p.m.

    I just drove from Twin Falls to Salt Lake. Clear and clean until Tremonton, then brown and ugly. Very impressive.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 3, 2014 1:41 p.m.

    To "LDS Tree-Hugger" so you want to make heating our homes cost more, you want to keep the poor in their poverty because they cannot afford transportation?

    Do you really want to diminish the quality of life for all of Utah? Over the past 30 years the air in Utah has been getting better. The bigger question is how bad is the short term exposure? I have seen the studies that show that long term is bad, and short term can cause some problems, but none show that the short term exposure creates permanent problems.

    So again, why do you hate the poor, and why make heating our houses so expensive?

    To "Badgerbadger" and how do you propose to tax vehicles that do not burn fuel? How do you deal with people from out of state passing through that use the roads, but do not require charging while in the state?

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Feb. 3, 2014 1:07 p.m.


    You have to add a tax increase to cover the loss of taxes from gasoline sales.

    It will add up really fast.

    Not to mention that burning natural gas causes emissions too.

    Generating electricity causes emissions.

    Roland - maybe our smog comes from China too. Get them to stop.

  • LDS Tree-Hugger Farmington, UT
    Feb. 3, 2014 12:45 p.m.

    USS Enterprise, UT
    ok, there is a problem, but what practical solution is there?


    E. All of the above.

    That's the problem with your either/or, All-or-Nothing thinking -- Red.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 3, 2014 12:03 p.m.

    ok, there is a problem, but what practical solution is there?

    If we push for the CNG vehicles, we will make the cost of heating our homes jump because of the higher demand on natural gas.

    If we push more hybrids, you will hurt the poor because hybrids cost around $10,000 more than a comparable all gasoline equivalent.

    If we push for more plug in electric vehicles, that will again raise the cost of electricity, increase electrical demands on the local power plants (increases pollution from those sources), and will again hurt the poor because of higher automotive costs.

    Now this does not take into account the damage that the state road fund will get as a result of lower gas and diesel fuel tax revenue.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 3, 2014 12:00 p.m.

    Yah... I'm pretty sure people from outside bring it in with them... Just like Rocky Anderson getting all ticked off at Bountiful residents coming to town to shop and to work and fouling their otherwise pristine air.

    Yah... right...

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Feb. 3, 2014 10:04 a.m.

    I'm reminded of Dr' Seuess's "The Lorax".

    All the dirty air,
    and then clean air being sold from a can for a mega-profit...

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 3, 2014 8:09 a.m.

    China's pollution is now reaching our west coast, so the writer could well be right.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 3, 2014 1:30 a.m.

    The writer may be right. How much do we know about how air and polluted air circulate along the Wasatch Front?