BYU, Utah, Utah State football: Local Division I programs set to sign promising prospects

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  • VAggie Bristow, United States
    Feb. 5, 2014 2:38 p.m.

    Chris, that's cool you beat BYU and USU this year. But in the end both USU and BYU went to the same bowl that either school would have gone to anyway regardless of the outcome of that game, and the Utes were able to watch the Aggies and Cougars at B-Dubs.

    In terms of stars its not a good argument. Except for the highly recruited 5* candidates rivals doesn't actually evaluate talent. It is based on who offers and from what conferences. For example if a player is listed as a 2* recruit and is only offered by mid-majors, and then suddenly a couple teams from major conferences offer his star rating will increase. Utah gets higher star ratings for their recruits, not 100% based on talent and coaches recruiting ability, but conference affiliation. Which makes it a flawed indicator on who has the "better class".

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 5, 2014 12:34 p.m.

    scenic view 4 wins in a row by 60+ points proves a lot

    0 wins over your rival in 4 years proves a lot

    "Even the blowout was close at the half"


    Congratulations on hanging with utah for a half before getting steamrolled, you must be so proud!


  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Feb. 5, 2014 7:12 a.m.


    "And you think 4 in a row in recruiting has anything to do with 4 in a row on the field?"

    3 wins by a total of 11 points hardly proves anything.

    Even the blowout was close, 14-10 at the half, despite Jake Heaps gifting Utah a touchdown on opening play of the game.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Feb. 5, 2014 6:53 a.m.

    CB and friends

    Six PAC 12 teams are listed in Top 40 recruiting classes for 2014. Utah isn't one of them.

    The Utes will once again finish in the bottom half of the PAC 12 in recruiting, yet our little brothers are still so obsessed with BYU, whom they don't even play for the next two years, that all they care about is how Utah's recruiting stacks up with BYU's.

    Once a little brother, always a little brother.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 4, 2014 8:06 a.m.


    Duck is right on this one, but the difference is between 2.63 average stars for Utah and 2.71 for byu. Its average stars that matter, not total "points" as like Ducky says one team may need more recruits in a given year than another.

    Last year Utah was a 2.9 and byu was a 2.31 for example. So the difference of .08 pales in comparison to .6 like it was in Utah's favor last year, the 4th year in a row Utah has had the better class.

    And you think 4 in a row in recruiting has anything to do with 4 in a row on the field?


  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 3, 2014 6:51 p.m.


    The only reason why utah is ranked higher is they have more overall kids committed, BYU's recruits are higher ranked individually. based on the utah "fan" bible BYU has the better class.

  • utefever kaysville, UT
    Feb. 3, 2014 3:33 p.m.

    Utah ranked higher than BYU with both Rivals and Scout, 67 and 70 with BYU being 76 and 71. I have seen previous classes at Utah in the 30's and 40's and BYU better than this year as well. Seems like a terrible year of recruiting for both schools, but the difference is that Utah's foes, UCLA, WSU, USC, Washington and Colorado are higher than Utah. Doesn't bode well, while BYU doesn't need to worry about that.

  • dww722 North Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 3, 2014 3:03 p.m.


    I agree completely. Coaching is the problem at BYU, superior competition and an inferiority complex are why Utah will never get out of the PAC12 basement and Utah State is where BYU was 15 years ago...good team in a small pond. It's a sad state of affairs indeed.

  • slcftball Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 10:55 p.m.

    does it really even matter? You guys arguing over small crumbs are a joke.

    BYU is digressing every year and unfortunately are becoming more irrelevant in the national picture. Plus they couldn't beat the 6th place team from the PAC in thier bowl game haha

    Utah is a bottom feeder that will be lucky to win 6 games this year. Bottom feeder in the PAC and worries no one except how fast Chris B can try and pull the wool over everyone's eyes and make em sound promising-not.

    Utah St? Keep playing Colorado St and Air Force. Jokes abound.

    So relax people. It's going to be another blah year for 2014 schools in state.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 10:27 p.m.


    I agree BYU should want and go after some of the instate kids but I am referencing this year specifically. There just weren't many instate players that were good that fit BYU's specific recruiting needs. I'm sure BYU would have liked to have the barton kid but he was going to go to utah all the way. They may have wanted the kid from Stansbury as well but they have other commits at that position so he wasn't any sort of must get. It just isn't a good year instate so wookies comment was not only factually wrong but also the complete opposite of the behavior he demands from BYU fans all of the time.

  • CougOrUte..Naah Nibley, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 10:21 p.m.

    The question really isn't how did the instate schools do against each other. The question is how they did against their conference rivals. Did Utah out recruit their PAC 10 + 2 rivals? Did Utah State out recruit their MWC rivals? Did BYU do well enough to get that Top 10 ranking they want? Bragging about out recruiting an in state rival has no meaning if it doesn't translate to more wins on the field. Who cares I if Utah out recruited BYU if it doesn't close the gap between them and Stanford or Oregon. And the same goes for USU and BYU. Then after they do well in conference or independence, the teams need to re-evaluate how it affects their national standing. The goal of winning your conference will ultimately get you to your national prominence goal. BYU will also have to up their schedule to obtain their goal of a top 10 finish.

  • Tenn12 Orem, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 3:17 p.m.

    That is the problem. BYU SHOULD want and go after some of the instate recruits. In the last few years they have missed on countless of great prospects because of laziness or maybe arrogance and it's backfired. BYU does a poor job of instate recruiting.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 12:03 p.m.


    It isn't "losing" them if you don't want them. Instate players were weaker this year than they have been in several years. Do you want evidence? Well utah and usu are both signing around 10 in state players and both are ranked lower than BYU in average ranking of their recruits. utah probably got 2 local kids BYU would have liked to have, I don't think usu has any that BYU even offered. It just wasn't a good year for high end locals.

    utah "fans" are desperate for "victories" of any kind and have made a really big deal out "winning" the recruiting the last few years so I understand how crushing this defeat must be for you. Accept it with grace afterall that is what you constantly, and self righteously, demand of BYU fans.

  • Where is Hadley? Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 11:59 a.m.

    Wookie - not many. The best Utah kids these days, Mormon or not, are going to Utah or other Pac 12 Conference of Champion schools for the most part. Once in a while the Big 10 will get some too, especially with Gary Anderson at Wisconsin.

    Go UTES!

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Feb. 2, 2014 6:07 a.m.

    How many local kids (Utah kids) have signed their national letter of intent that are attending BYU next year? Didn't Bronco make mention at one point he wouldn't lose instate recruiting?

    Go UTES!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Feb. 2, 2014 12:38 a.m.

    Seems like there are more BYU commits who had offers from schools in the "power conferences" than any other year I remember. The move out of the MWC to Independence seems to be helping recruiting. Of course, the number of high draft picks into the NFL and the coverage on ESPN is probably helping as well. The future looks bright in Provo.

    I'm a little disappointed Olsen transferred. Hopefully, one of the back-ups will step up to be a solid number 2.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 1, 2014 11:56 p.m.

    Per Rivals, byu has a 2.71 average and Utah a 2.63 rating. If this holds that would be the first time in five years byu had the best recruiting class in the state. Although a 2.71 to 2.63 difference is almost nothing. In fact, per rivals, utah's worst year of the last four is still better than byu's best year of the last four. It says a lot about what recruits think of playing in the PAC 12 vs Indy or quasi WAC

    Use any rating service you want, Utah has won four in a row in recruiting. Four in a row sound familiar? And yes, they are connected.

    So stars guarantee wins?

    No, but neither does good coaching, fast players, strong players, practicing, or even scoring lots of points.

    But those help, as so better players. And on AVERAGE the ratings for a team are good indicators of talent level

    Good luck to all programs