Chris, that's cool you beat BYU and USU this year. But in the end both USU
and BYU went to the same bowl that either school would have gone to anyway
regardless of the outcome of that game, and the Utes were able to watch the
Aggies and Cougars at B-Dubs. In terms of stars its not a good
argument. Except for the highly recruited 5* candidates rivals doesn't
actually evaluate talent. It is based on who offers and from what conferences.
For example if a player is listed as a 2* recruit and is only offered by
mid-majors, and then suddenly a couple teams from major conferences offer his
star rating will increase. Utah gets higher star ratings for their recruits, not
100% based on talent and coaches recruiting ability, but conference affiliation.
Which makes it a flawed indicator on who has the "better class".
scenic view 4 wins in a row by 60+ points proves a lot0 wins over
your rival in 4 years proves a lot"Even the blowout was close at
the half"LOL!Congratulations on hanging with utah
for a half before getting steamrolled, you must be so proud!LOL
CB"And you think 4 in a row in recruiting has anything to do
with 4 in a row on the field?"3 wins by a total of 11 points
hardly proves anything.Even the blowout was close, 14-10 at the
half, despite Jake Heaps gifting Utah a touchdown on opening play of the game.
CB and friendsSix PAC 12 teams are listed in Top 40 recruiting
classes for 2014. Utah isn't one of them.The Utes will once
again finish in the bottom half of the PAC 12 in recruiting, yet our little
brothers are still so obsessed with BYU, whom they don't even play for the
next two years, that all they care about is how Utah's recruiting stacks up
with BYU's.Once a little brother, always a little brother.
utefever,Duck is right on this one, but the difference is between
2.63 average stars for Utah and 2.71 for byu. Its average stars that matter,
not total "points" as like Ducky says one team may need more recruits in
a given year than another. Last year Utah was a 2.9 and byu was a
2.31 for example. So the difference of .08 pales in comparison to .6 like it
was in Utah's favor last year, the 4th year in a row Utah has had the
better class.And you think 4 in a row in recruiting has anything to
do with 4 in a row on the field?YEP!
@utefeverThe only reason why utah is ranked higher is they have more
overall kids committed, BYU's recruits are higher ranked individually.
based on the utah "fan" bible rivals.com BYU has the better class.
Utah ranked higher than BYU with both Rivals and Scout, 67 and 70 with BYU being
76 and 71. I have seen previous classes at Utah in the 30's and 40's
and BYU better than this year as well. Seems like a terrible year of recruiting
for both schools, but the difference is that Utah's foes, UCLA, WSU, USC,
Washington and Colorado are higher than Utah. Doesn't bode well, while BYU
doesn't need to worry about that.
@slcftballI agree completely. Coaching is the problem at BYU,
superior competition and an inferiority complex are why Utah will never get out
of the PAC12 basement and Utah State is where BYU was 15 years ago...good team
in a small pond. It's a sad state of affairs indeed.
does it really even matter? You guys arguing over small crumbs are a joke.BYU is digressing every year and unfortunately are becoming more
irrelevant in the national picture. Plus they couldn't beat the 6th place
team from the PAC in thier bowl game hahaUtah is a bottom feeder
that will be lucky to win 6 games this year. Bottom feeder in the PAC and
worries no one except how fast Chris B can try and pull the wool over
everyone's eyes and make em sound promising-not.Utah St? Keep
playing Colorado St and Air Force. Jokes abound.So relax people.
It's going to be another blah year for 2014 schools in state.
@Tenn12I agree BYU should want and go after some of the instate kids
but I am referencing this year specifically. There just weren't many
instate players that were good that fit BYU's specific recruiting needs.
I'm sure BYU would have liked to have the barton kid but he was going to go
to utah all the way. They may have wanted the kid from Stansbury as well but
they have other commits at that position so he wasn't any sort of must get.
It just isn't a good year instate so wookies comment was not only factually
wrong but also the complete opposite of the behavior he demands from BYU fans
all of the time.
The question really isn't how did the instate schools do against each
other. The question is how they did against their conference rivals. Did Utah
out recruit their PAC 10 + 2 rivals? Did Utah State out recruit their MWC
rivals? Did BYU do well enough to get that Top 10 ranking they want? Bragging
about out recruiting an in state rival has no meaning if it doesn't
translate to more wins on the field. Who cares I if Utah out recruited BYU if it
doesn't close the gap between them and Stanford or Oregon. And the same
goes for USU and BYU. Then after they do well in conference or independence, the
teams need to re-evaluate how it affects their national standing. The goal of
winning your conference will ultimately get you to your national prominence
goal. BYU will also have to up their schedule to obtain their goal of a top 10
Duckhunter,That is the problem. BYU SHOULD want and go after some of the
instate recruits. In the last few years they have missed on countless of great
prospects because of laziness or maybe arrogance and it's backfired. BYU
does a poor job of instate recruiting.
@wookieIt isn't "losing" them if you don't want
them. Instate players were weaker this year than they have been in several
years. Do you want evidence? Well utah and usu are both signing around 10 in
state players and both are ranked lower than BYU in average ranking of their
recruits. utah probably got 2 local kids BYU would have liked to have, I
don't think usu has any that BYU even offered. It just wasn't a good
year for high end locals.utah "fans" are desperate for
"victories" of any kind and have made a really big deal out
"winning" the recruiting the last few years so I understand how crushing
this defeat must be for you. Accept it with grace afterall that is what you
constantly, and self righteously, demand of BYU fans.
Wookie - not many. The best Utah kids these days, Mormon or not, are going to
Utah or other Pac 12 Conference of Champion schools for the most part. Once in
a while the Big 10 will get some too, especially with Gary Anderson at
Wisconsin. Go UTES!
How many local kids (Utah kids) have signed their national letter of intent that
are attending BYU next year? Didn't Bronco make mention at one point he
wouldn't lose instate recruiting?Go UTES!
Seems like there are more BYU commits who had offers from schools in the
"power conferences" than any other year I remember. The move out of the
MWC to Independence seems to be helping recruiting. Of course, the number of
high draft picks into the NFL and the coverage on ESPN is probably helping as
well. The future looks bright in Provo.I'm a little
disappointed Olsen transferred. Hopefully, one of the back-ups will step up to
be a solid number 2.
Per Rivals, byu has a 2.71 average and Utah a 2.63 rating. If this holds that
would be the first time in five years byu had the best recruiting class in the
state. Although a 2.71 to 2.63 difference is almost nothing. In fact, per
rivals, utah's worst year of the last four is still better than byu's
best year of the last four. It says a lot about what recruits think of playing
in the PAC 12 vs Indy or quasi WAC Use any rating service you want,
Utah has won four in a row in recruiting. Four in a row sound familiar? And yes,
they are connected. So stars guarantee wins? No, but
neither does good coaching, fast players, strong players, practicing, or even
scoring lots of points. But those help, as so better players. And on
AVERAGE the ratings for a team are good indicators of talent level Good luck to all programs