How 5 LDS basketball stars from Lone Peak model success amid America's 'war on boys'

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  • TimBehrend Auckland NZ, 00
    Feb. 4, 2014 5:13 p.m.

    What gets me about this article isn't just the phony war on white boys. It's the way that the situation is framed and constructed by your reporter as an us vs them competition. Boys (us) are losing to girls (them) in terms of educational achievement. Men aren't competing well against women at university. This is a travesty, a tragedy. A war is on against boys that's causing this, since boys are naturally smarter than girls. If females are achieving higher results than males, that is a problem, that is a failure, those girls are only taking their education and skills into the kitchen and motherhood. Boys need to do better than girls, otherwise society is failing. Really?

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    Feb. 4, 2014 8:45 a.m.

    Poyman, I'm an over 60 white male with a great education. Circumstances put me in the job market 4 years ago and I learned that older white males are also an unprotected class. Several times, while pursuing high-level management/consulting positions, I made all the but final cuts (dozens/sometimes hundreds of applicants and I was one of 2 or 3 finalists) and each time a younger person, usually a female, was chosen. They were all certainly well qualified and will excel in the positions, but I am equally qualified. The only differences were age, gender, and color. Yes, this is limited, anecdotal evidence...but to me, it's real.

    But this article is about boys. We raised three of them and we raised five girls too. Given my experience, I would say a war on boys is real, but a strong family with vigilant parents can help the boys win the war. All my boys are doing well...and my girls too...and I thanks my wife, the church and the Lord.

  • terra nova Park City, UT
    Feb. 4, 2014 8:34 a.m.

    The real war is on families. As they fail, boys and girls are innocent casualties (as are some husbands and wives) fed to the fire burning to warm the gods of selfishness. But those cast into the fire can emerge unscathed if someone will reach out and show them the way of faith, love and truth. There are compensating blessings. There are tender mercies. There is hope.

  • Something to think about Ogden, UT
    Feb. 4, 2014 7:03 a.m.

    I like how the DNews picks "championship" calibur schools to do these articles on. It's easy to be great when talent abounds. (Lone Peak, East, etc...)

    Why not do a story on a bad, losing program? They have good kids off the field who do amazing things without the benefits of success on the field or court in this case.

    They practice just as hard. They go to class and make good grades. They are just as spiritual in the area of religion. They however, have the challenge of not being as talented to address as well. They are the teams/kids who get clobbered by the loaded DI schools and yet show up again next week.

    Life is much easier when you win! Stories about teams who struggle with victory are not quite as compelling as stories about those who struggle with defeat.

  • Capsaicin Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 4, 2014 6:32 a.m.

    I would recommend that the first step taken in the "war on boys" is to feature boys not associated with ANY KIND OF SPORT. There are heroes in every area of life, not just sports.

  • Maclane Claremont, CA
    Feb. 3, 2014 9:32 p.m.

    Last year I was an LDS Seminary Teacher at Lone Peak and was able to interact often with these young men. They are better in a spiritual setting then they were on the court and if you saw them play- that is saying something! At first I was worried they would have big heads and a bigger ego. I couldn't have been more wrong. They were humble, kind, considerate men. They are individuals who cared about others in their class and in their school. They will succeed in making this world a better place, I have no doubt about that!

  • amed salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 3, 2014 1:04 p.m.

    It's really disappointing that the academic achievement gap is being looked at as a "war on boys" rather than an achievement for women. People can speculate all they want about the reasoning behind men not getting the same opportunities that women have in education, but don't claim that men are being suppressed or not given the same rights to academic success. Women make up nearly 52% of the population as it is, so that could be a contributing factor to the rise in achievement.

    PS since when could missionaries be interviewed while on their missions?

  • amed salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 3, 2014 12:18 p.m.

    This article contains a lot of propoganda and sexist remarks.

  • Scott Hoskins Palmdale, CA
    Feb. 3, 2014 11:26 a.m.

    Y-ask-Y and sthmtnman are perfect examples of what is wrong. They unequivocally deny that there is any problem, and because they say so, it must be true. When was the last time you saw a show on TV where the father was portrayed as smart? Granted, there are a couple , but they are the exception, not the rule. This is symptomatic of our culture, and the war on boys.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 3, 2014 7:55 a.m.

    How is treating others as equals considered a "war on boys"?

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    Feb. 3, 2014 7:25 a.m.

    Coolio... I agree!

    Enough is enough!

  • Wisconsin Moderate GREENDALE, WI
    Feb. 2, 2014 8:39 p.m.

    There isn't necessarily a war on boys as much as there is a war on minority boys. If the data were examined more closely the big differences are in minority boys. While more minority women go on to college (mostly community colleges), minority boys go either to the military or to prison. The traditional factory work that minorities with high school educations would do in the past are no longer here. The truth in sentencing legislation that has been implemented over the past 20 years has disproportionally affected boys, sending them to jail instead of to the workforce. This problem is even worse for minority boys. These are complex and very nuanced issues.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 2, 2014 3:03 p.m.

    The only segment of the population that you can openly discriminate against today are white males below the age of 40...

    They are not a protected class and so they get blamed for all inequality that exists in the world... Schools will screen them out in favor of less qualified Females or minorities for acceptance into a College, Law School, or a Med School... Employers will by-pass them for promotions in favor of less qualified females and minorities... And, advertisements for products, goods, and services will often try and make this segment of the population look stupid or ridiculous in order to enhance their sales... Actors and actresses in Ads will be skewed so that there are far more minorities in them than the percentage of the population they represent. It's vogue today to disregard the candidacy of a white guy unless he is overwhelmingly more qualified and it is also vogue today to make the white guy look stupid...

    I enjoy these articles and I burst with pride when I read about the accomplishments of these young men... It makes you feel good... Big Kudos to the families of these young men who helped raise them

  • yankees27 Heber, Utah
    Feb. 2, 2014 2:40 p.m.

    It's been said a lot lately, and something that I agree with. One of the hardest things to be in America in this day and age is a White Male. Women and minorities have over the course of the last few decades, been given the upper hand, and given advantages that, although deserved, have come at the expense of the white male. My own son was denied a scholarship because a minority girl, who wasn't as qualified, but because "a number" had to be met, was given it and he was passed over. Fair? No! But that is one example of the war on boys, and in particular, white males. You can call me whatever you want, but at least look before you yell, the facts are all around you if you look.

  • Coolio SLC, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 2:34 p.m.

    With the amount of attention these kids from Lone Peak are getting its becoming disturbing. We get it already. Shine the light on someone else for awhile while they do their time. It's as if they are the only kids that played HS basketball and got recruited. The media is creating an expectation of these kids that when its not met in in 2-3 years these kids will have a Jake Heaps experience. Most of the state is tired of hearing of Lone Peak. All the attention they got from winning the National Championship sufficed. We don't need reporters following them into their missions as well!!!

  • Th Tooele, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 12:41 p.m.

    This same story could be written about hundreds of great kids that have played HS basketball across the state. What Lone Peak did in basketball was a tremendous accomplishment. But so many kids are equally as talented if not more when it comes to the spiritual side of life. Not trying to sound bitter, because I'm not. But I coach at an in state HS and know the caliber and spirituality of all of these kids.

    Lone Peak is great at basketball. They're what everyone wants to become. We all want five D1 athletes in a starting 5. But they're no better than any other kids across the state.

    Hopefully we can get a grasp on this "war on boys!"

  • Paddycakes South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 12:08 p.m.

    The war on boys has been evident and prevalent for years, just hushed up as not being politically correct to report abuses by the 'system'. It has ben documented that female teachers are more demanding and more cruel to male students than to female students. I see no hospitals for 'men' or specialties clinics with the words ...for men or 'men only' treatment centers. One sees little advertisements for prostate cancer funding prevention/cure and fund raising even though prostate cancer kills almost as many men as breast cancer kills women. There are not shelters for men when they are abused by their wives and they are too ashamed to go public or seek help.

    Men are held up to ridicule and disrespect in the media, sit-coms and advertisements: they most certainly are made out to be unable to make decisions and displayed as dolts, until a female comes along and gives him proper direction and advise so that he can succeed in his decision making. Such conduct and tolerance of man-bashing is disrespectful to men and an affront to God.

  • caf Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 11:36 a.m.

    This is a great series! What wonderful young men. It is always nice to read about what is good in the world.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    Feb. 2, 2014 11:25 a.m.


    I fled California to escape from an environment dominated by the ignorant and deceptive thinking and belief system of today's so-called "liberals."

    And here I find that two of the first six comments are afflicted by this diseased "thinking" or mindless talking points. Since approximately 30% of voters self-identify as liberals, I suppose we'll have to get used to this phenomenon.

  • 483bzac West Valley City, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 11:03 a.m.

    Finally we are getting some stats on education, employment and success of boys and men vs. females. Perhaps the single biggest weapon to destroy men and boys is simple, almost intangible and indescribable: Men/boys nearly always give benefit of doubt to women/girls and young children. Seldom do we give each other that basic benefit of doubt when there is a question of honor. Guilty unless proven otherwise. Why is this so?

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 10:27 a.m.

    Great Article.

  • LA Mormon West Valley, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 10:08 a.m.

    War on Boys? Nope. War on the middle class jobs men used to have? Yes. Men have not changed, but society has. Corporations in America have systematically attacked the value of work for that last 35 years. The nation has devalued the work of everyone, women are making less than men on average so what good is it going to do if men or women achieve high levels of education when corporations are pushing down the value of all work. Again there is no war on men, but there is a massive war on working Americans.

  • justamacguy Manti, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 10:02 a.m.

    If your a male, your the problem. If you are a white maie, just roll over and play dead. Because you are definitely the problem.

  • Petra Sanpete County, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 9:59 a.m.

    In a competitive society there are "winners" and " losers." If women are viewed as inferior by men, women will be the losers if men have the power and visa versa. Women are certainly still not viewed by our society as "winners" overall, as evidenced by the lack of women CEOs, women in government, in other powerful positions, the disparity between pay for women compared to the pay for men, etc. I see this as more a potential threat to the currently powerful, the men, than as a reversal of roles, or anything else.

    The solution is not to resume the old status quo, but to stop playing the competition game. We need to stop seeing gender and begin seeing each individual as a person of talent and worth. We are all children of God. Knowing that on a deeper level is where we must start.

  • JonathanPDX Portland, Oregon
    Feb. 2, 2014 9:52 a.m.

    @Y-Ask-Y - Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it's not there.

    Satan has many tools now to draw young men away from the Church and the Priesthood. What better name to give it than a "War on Boys"?

  • GK Willington Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 9:46 a.m.

    re: southmtnman

    You are right. Its all out assault on middle class, heterosexual, white men.

  • ER in AF Harare, Zimbabwe, 00
    Feb. 2, 2014 8:55 a.m.

    @ Y, Did you not read the article? Did you look at the stats? If any group other than men were showing that much decline is such a relatively short period, there would be a hue and outcry, and the federal government would employ task-forces to combat it. But contrary to the facts it is ignored. "Guys can take care of themselves". Yeah? How is that decrease in wages going for them do ya think?

  • southmtnman Provo, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 5:28 a.m.

    There is no "war on boys".

  • riverofsun St.George, Utah
    Feb. 2, 2014 12:13 a.m.

    My goodness!
    There are a tremendous amount os sweeping generalities in this article.

  • Ricardo Carvalho Provo, UT
    Feb. 1, 2014 10:44 p.m.

    I am glad that someone is recognizing the war on boys. The data is all there. It is time for support systems typically reserved for women to now be created in support of men. Women's centers and studies at our universities were and are an important step forward but the data clearly show that such support systems are now needed for men and boys.

  • Y-Ask-Y? Provo, UT
    Feb. 1, 2014 10:05 p.m.

    "War on boys"?


    How far can fear mongering be taken before it becomes silly?

  • dahomes Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 1, 2014 8:51 p.m.

    Elder Shumway is serving in the greatest mission on earth. Those 20 extra pounds are probably mostly composed of the most delicious flour tortillas known to man. The people of South Texas are lucky to have such a great young man among them. He is certainly lucky to have them as well.