IfelMy understanding is that Utah offered him as a sign and send,
which was his original plan, but that he changed his mind and Utah didn't
have enough scholarships available for this signing period (He would not have
counted against the schollies this year had he served his mission before
enrolling.)As a U fan, I wish it had worked out at Utah, as an East
High alumnus, I hope it works out well for him at USU, I think he will be a very
good player for them.
pocyuteEverything I am seeing and reading is saying Tukuafu is
serving a mission before football at USU.
IfelYou are correct.The word is he originally was going
to serve a mission, but changed his mind. Utah didn't have room for him to
play right away without gray shirting. So he took the sure thing. Can't
blame him for that.
It looks like Tukuafu is taking a pass on the utes and choosing Utah State!Welcome to Aggie Nation Joe!!!
WorfI read 4 decades, my point was why stop there? What is special
about 4 decades vs the life of the program? You probably chose that number
because it supported your argument. Barton didn't decommit, he
has enrolled in school and will be participating in spring ball.
@McWoof,Nicely spun, talking about how the only thing that matters is
wins, with no consideration given to the level of competition against which the
wins were "earned" for the coogs football team.Yet, when
the Utes basketball team record stood at 14-1, including the blowout of BYU, you
posted something about how the record meant nothing because the wins came
against lesser competition.So, which is it, total wins or level of
competition; you seem to argue both sides of this topic, depending on how it
benefits your team.
@pocyUte:You misread.I clearly stated four decades.Too bad Barton decomitted!
RenoI actually think head to head is the better way to determine who
PocyUte,Correct me if I am wrong but I think that BYU is the youngest of
the three schools and there fore has played fewer seasons! I think better stat
would be wins counted from the year all three have played not just total
Christopher B,How is Utah doing recruiting wise against the PAC12 and also
how are they fairing in competition? Why are you still comparing yourselves to a
school and sports teams you claim to have put in your rear view 3 years
ago!!!Go Cougs!!!! Rise Up!!!
@Pops"Utah has some big horses, but is finding you can't succeed
in the PAC-12 with a team that is 1-deep at key positions. Guys are going to go
down when you play tough competition week in and week out, and if you're
not ready for that you can't be successful."I think Utah is
very close to finding that they can't succeed in the Pac12 under the
current Head Coach and after this next season flops like all the rest, they will
be looking to rectify that problem. Now, not only will the OC job at Utah be on
a carousel but the Head Coaching job will as well.
DuckNo bitterness here, but it Donovan Wilson decomitting and going
to TAMU after he said no to Bama is definitely a bummer.
@UteMiguelHead to head only proves you had a better day that day.Statistically, and I mean all statistics, including recruiting, the
teams are pretty much on par.Other than being in the PAC12 utes
have nothing to brag about.I mean really! Bragging about beating
team a mighty PAC team is supposed to beat? really?
@ Worf: 'The only stat that counts. Everything else are pathetic
excuses.' By this I assume you mean head to head victories?
You've had some really tough punch to the guts lately pocy so I understand
Son of a former Utah defensive lineman Jeff Kaufusi.Just committed to BYU
over offers from Utah, USU, and Hawaii.Isaiah Kaufusi 3 star linebacker.
@ cb do you know that Utah's 2nd highest rated class in the last decade was
when Utah was in the MWC?Pac-12 improves recruiting?Sure has been
going downward.Do you know your theory on star rating proves that Utah
should never finish higher than 9th in the pac? lolyou can check the
recruits from offers from both schoolsUtah lost recruits to Boise State,
Washington, and Washington State last week.BYU is still in the running for
a 5 star guard, a 4 star receiver,a 3 star receiver, and a 3 star defensive
end.Utah is still in the running for?
Scout 2010Byu 3.04Utah 2.64Per scout BYU has the best class in
the last 5 years.five year average per scouUtah-2.686BYU-2.648I think if people brag over a 1.5% difference they need a
little help.All recruiting outlets have the difference between the classes
on average between 1.2% and 3.8% difference using the star rating. If you use
their actual scales it is much closer.Math is a fun thing to bring out.
worfYour right, only wins and losses count BYU is certainly
impressive with 518 wins over the life of their program. Utah State has 524 and
Utah has over 100 more wins with 633. So yes the tradition of BYU
being 3rd in the state will continueGo Utes
BeSmart,So as a recap using YOUR site that you prefer, if you
don't like rivals.Utah won in 2013Utah won in 2012Utah won in 2011You didn't provide the 2010, but I'm
going to go out on a limb and say byu won that too, even per your site is that
Hey ole timers.... Every school brags about the kids they bring in... then they
turn around and "red shirt" them... while bragging about the next group.
It's whose on the field performing as they have been coached that tells
the real story. Way too early to get excited about whose going to be in a sweat
suit on the sideline, and whose going to be in a uniform for next year. Go
Aggies and Go Utes !! Continue with your dominance !!!!!
Utah doesn't play BYU the next two years...it does play in the PAC-12. As
of today Utah's recruiting class is rated last in the PAC-12 by Rivals.There are 48 four star athletes committed to PAC-12 schools, only one of
those is committed to Utah.It really makes it difficult for those of
us hoping for better days ahead for Utah in the PAC-12 to have any confidence
that that will happen.
Try to remember kids that none of these names mean anything until they get to
school. There are plenty of multi-star signees across the country who cannot
perform at the D1 level. There will be plenty of walk-ons everywhere who will
end up contributing more than higher rated players. History shows that
multi-star recruits sometimes have baggage that doesn't show up until kids
arrive at campuses far from home. I obviously have no way of knowing but
historically players from far from the Wasatch Range have trouble adapting even
at no-holds-barred schools like the U. There are usually reasons that the
players from the Southeast/Atlantic Coast regions choose slightly out-of-the-way
places like the state of Utah.Best scene scenario all of this young
men contribute mightily to each school's success on and off the field.
Water Rocket makes an interesting point. I remember many of the BYU football
players of the 70s and 80s, their jerseys flapping in the breeze as they scored
touchdown after touchdown on their bigger, stronger, and faster adversaries. We
got used to BYU football being way more successful than it had any right to be.
Those days are over unless the brain trust in Provo can figure out another way
to outsmart everybody. BYU will never beat the big boys consistently by playing
head-to-head smash-mouth football because they will never have the size and
depth. There were notable exceptions, like the '84 defense and the '95
Cotton Bowl team. But by and large, they aren't going to be as big or as
deep as, say, Wisconsin.Utah has some big horses, but is finding you
can't succeed in the PAC-12 with a team that is 1-deep at key positions.
Guys are going to go down when you play tough competition week in and week out,
and if you're not ready for that you can't be successful.
The only stat that counts. Everything else are pathetic excuses.BYU
has the most victories in the past four decades, for a Utah college football
team.This recruiting class will keep the tradition going.
Christopher B., you are showing a strong bias for a team with better recruiting
(?), I am hoping that Utah, BYU and USU have better success in 2014. Utah seems
to have the biggest question to answer at QB, but BYU loosing Olsen was a very
big deal.The "West coast offense" started at BYU, because
The passing attack was their best weapon to offset their lack of size. I would
like to see a new trend start at BYU or Utah with a dual BQ system working in
tandem, much like basketball, (with a "point" guard and a
"shooting" guard). Supposing QB1 took the snaps and ran the play, but
QB2 was in a deep snap position. QB1 could run the options and quick outs or
pitch to QB2 to pass the ball. Had BYU been able to keep Olsen, with his
passing, this would have given BYU a two headed monster for other teams to worry
about defending. If you continue to do the same things you have always done,
you will continue to get the same results you have always gotten, and to be
competitive on the big stage, they need to be creative and innovative.
So...what's the news with Isaiah Nacua? Is he going to ASU? As a Utah fan,
I am quite disappointed with the recruiting class this year. Many recruits
committed early, and those top recruits have since dropped off. Whether it was
the hire of DC or not, I'm not sure. It would be nice to have some more
stories on recruiting.
Everyone rivals one of the many recruiting sourcesUtah per scout the lase
4 years2014-2.622013-2.582012-2.692011-2.90Downward trend since joining the PacBYU2014-2.712013-2.292012-2.672011-2.53What do we learn? Look at more than one source
for a better source of info.247 sports is very similar but rates on a more
mathematical scale.Utah recruiting has regressed the last 3 years and BYU
has held steady but BYUs 2015 commits are 4 star guys while Utah has one 3
star.It will be interesting to see.
Go Cougars! Looking good. We've got the best QB in the state. It'll be
a great year!
I'm glad BYU's overall recruiting is improving. It seems as well that
BYU is recruiting more heavily outside of the State of Utah. I'm wondering
as well if Utah's drop in recruiting has to do with Coach Whittingham
having one foot in the door and the other one out. On another note, does anyone
know why Erickson was given the boot as the OC? Having three former OCs on staff
along with a new one seems a bit strange.
I have followed Utah's recruiting for years.I love this class
coming in. Yes, it doesn't have the star power, but, it does have the
highest rated player EVER to sign at Utah in Jackson Barton, and a ton of speed.
It's also pertinent that all of their out of state 2 star recruits had
offers from BCS schools.A huge congratulations to Andre Godrey, the
#1 all Broward County Player in Florida this year.Also I love that
Donovan Wilson declined his visit to Alabama after Nick Saban was in his home
last Tuesday.Go UTES
The bigger question is, will this trend continue or is this a one year
aberration. Time will tell, but my guess is it is a trend, mostly due to the
win-loss records of the two schools.
Utah's WORST recruiting class of the last 4 years was 2.95 per rivals in
2011byu's best of the last 4 years was 2.87 in 2012, with a
worst class of 2.31, in 2013Now, why has Utah struggled the last
couple years?Answer: We don't play 2 star nobodies most weeks.
Currently byu has a 2.71 per rivals average rating and Utah has a 2.63. Utah
state is 2. This would be the first time byu has had the best rated recruiting
class in the state in 5 years, with Utah winning all previous 4 years. Although
a 2.71 to 2.63 difference isn't much of a difference.In fact,
not only has Utah won every year since being invited to the Pac 12, Utah's
worst year of the last 4 is still better than byu or Utah state's best year
of the last 4.Now, did I say stars guarantee wins?No,
and neither does good coaching, practicing, lifting weights, fast players,
strong players, or even scoring lots of points. But those things help. As does
having better players. And ON AVERAGE rating services get it right and ON
AVERAGE the rating of a team and class says a lot about talent level.Go UTES
Utes have one QB coming in.....That seems to be working well for them...