The growing GOP immigration debacle

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  • Mr. Bean Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 2, 2014 1:04 a.m.

    @2 bits:
    "We really need to know who's in our country and why."

    We can see who's in this country and why. Mostly Hispanics are in this country. Why? Because they can't make it in their own country. But, we can't use their help here because we have no jobs for them. We have millions of unemployed Americans sitting home drawing billions in unemployment.

    "We can't have a whole culture that just lives in the shadows and hopes nobody notices them."

    What's wrong with living in the shadows? Illegals are in the shadows because they broke our immigration laws. So, let them live in the shadows. It was their choice when they decided to cross the border illegally. We welcome immigrants who sign up and wait their turn.

    "And enforcing the EXISTING laws seems to be completely unacceptable to some in our Government..."

    True, The Democrats are the ones who don't want to enforce immigration laws. Why? Because they want/need the Hispanic vote. Democrats have no hesitation in electing to trade the security of our country for illegal infiltration for a vote.

  • The Hammer lehi, utah
    Feb. 1, 2014 9:46 p.m.

    We can either choose to fix the problem now when we have the votes to stop the abuse of the system or we can wait to have it forced upon us in 10 years when the demographics flip upside down on us. Conservatives shouldn't wait that long just to have the children of illegal immigrants who are US citizens grow up and with animosity in their hearts vote every last Republican out of office.

    Its suicide if we don't pass these bills.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 1, 2014 1:11 p.m.

    I am with Roland. The challenge for the republicans is that they must cater to big business, and big business wants cheap labor. The challenge is complicated because big business won't come out publicly in favor of immigration reform, but privately are pushing for it with their money.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 9:30 p.m.

    Most of the commentators miss the real problem for the Republican party. The moneymen who actually control the party want an immigration bill because it will depress wages, thereby increasing their profits. That is why Reagan, Bush Jr., and McCain all supported the previous amnesty bills. GOP politicians generally give their corporate donors everything they want, but in this one case the base is so firmly against it, that the pols just can't go along. They do need enough actual voters to vote for them.

    I am personally against the bill because it will be harmful to American workers. The most fundamental law of economics is supply and demand. Right now demand for labor is low, if we increase the supply, the cost of labor will fall at an even faster clip than it has been lately.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 7:03 p.m.

    As a conservative I hate to see people jump the immigration line. Those applying for citizenship should have the preference. However there is something we should keep in mind. Mexico will become an economic powerhouse supplying us with what is now made in China. Mexico along with Peru and Chile are utilizing more conservative free market principles as compared to Venezuela, Brazil, and Argentina whose economies are not doing as well. North America should become a special trade zone. With growing opportunities in Mexico fewer are immigrating.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 31, 2014 5:30 p.m.

    "MANY of us on the right refuse to vote for ANYONE that rewards lawbreaking."

    Care to share with the group exactly WHO you have voted for that did not cast a vote that "broke the law"

    Are you saying you did not vote for Reagan or Bush1 or Bush2?

    I am not buying the righteous indignation.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 4:56 p.m.

    Hispanics never have voted for Republicans in a majority. Even after Reagan granted them amnesty in 1986. The highest percentage they've EVER voted for Republicans was 37% right after Reagan gave them amnesty. It goes down after that.

    MANY of us on the right refuse to vote for ANYONE that rewards lawbreaking. No matter who proposes it.

    Most of the nonsense regarding losing the hispanic vote is coming from lobbyists for smarmy employers who just want cheap labor. They have proven time and again that they will say and do anything to undermine legal American workers.

    I have a theory that most of the law-abiding immigrants who came here through the proper immigration channels LIKE that we have a system of law and order.
    Thats why they come here.
    Was I/they wrong in our hopes?
    Lawbreakers need to return home and get in line.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Jan. 31, 2014 3:59 p.m.

    I don't think Ann Coulter quite understands that if you just write off the Hispanic vote you are writing off any chance of ever winning the White House again. You are also coming very close to never winning the Senate again. You may even lose the House if you keep this up. Do you really want Democrats running everything unopposed?

  • 2 bit Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 3:51 p.m.


    I think the best chance of success is to break it up into little chunks so they can all be passed or rejected on their own merits (not a take it or leave it all) where you are forced to take the bad to get the good, and you can throw in pork for States where you need to to get a critical vote or 2... type approach.

    I just hope President Bush doesn't try the "cram the whole thing down their throats without any changes or meaningful debate whether they like it or not" type approach he took on the ACA.

    I also hope the process is open (not the closed door approach they took on the ACA).

    I remember President Obama promising everything Congress did would be open and broadcasted on CSPAN... but the ACA debate wasn't (at least not the critical parts).

    I hope some lessons have been learned.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 3:45 p.m.

    You may be right. Even with the partisan divide, there's some division in the GOP on this. Remember President Bush tried to pass HIS "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" bill... and it was shot down by his own party (not the Democrats). Democrats fought against it too.. but in the end it was factions in his own party not voting for it that doomed it.

    President Obama may have better luck. He will at least have his own party on his side.


    I hope they come up with something good. This is a VERY important problem. It doesn't deserve to be a political-football (like it currently is).

    We really need to know who's in our country and why. We can't have a whole culture that just lives in the shadows and hopes nobody notices them. Problem is.. to do this you have to be relatively harsh (in some people's eyes). And enforcing the EXISTING laws seems to be completely unacceptable to some in our Government... so I seriously doubt they will enforce the new laws either (at least the harsh parts).

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 31, 2014 2:42 p.m.

    Agreed 2 bits.

    I see 2 issues.

    1 - Getting consensus among the GOP
    2 - Getting consensus between the GOP and the Dems

    I believe that #1 will be the bigger challenge.

    I predict that because neither side will get all they want, nothing will get passed and we will push the issue down the road.

    A solution that gives you 80% of what you want is better than a current failing system that gives no one what they want.

    Our congressmen do not get this concept. (neither does 60% of the electorate (30% R and 30% D)

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 2:13 p.m.

    The GOP is between a rock and a hard place on this one.

    They have to either offend their base (the hard core "obey the law" types).... or they offend the Hispanic community (which everybody's telling them they need if they ever want to win another national election).

    They also need to start pandering to Lesbians and Gays (which again risks turning off much of their base).

    They are really in a tough spot. I don't see any way out. It's pretty much check-mate.

    You can't just reverse 20 years of history by flip-flopping on one bill to placate a voting block you want. People aren't that stupid. So you would end up loosing both groups (your base and the group you are trying to pander too).

    So it's going to be ugly no matter what (for the GOP).