BYU basketball: Tyler Haws paces BYU with 38 points in win over Pacific

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  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 31, 2014 10:25 p.m.

    In the past decade, BYU football, and basketball,- leads the state in victories. Period!

    Every other spin is pointless.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 31, 2014 6:20 p.m.

    It would sure be nice if the trolls could debate without being hypocritical...


    . SOS isn't important in Basketball but it is a main item of concern in Football...

    . National Champions in Football doesn't matter if it was 30 years ago, but playing in the Championship game in the NCAA Basketball Tourney 16 years ago does matter.

    . Losing all your games against an instate rival in Basketball for 5 years in a row (total of 7 games) and going 2-11 over the past 7 years is not an embarrassment, but losing 4 games in a row in Football is(regardless of the fact that 3 of those four games were not decided until the final play of the game).

    . Winning the Football recruiting wars by less than a half star average is a big coups but losing the Basketball recruiting wars by over a full star is meaningless.

    . And, belonging to a conference that your team has continually finished in the bottom 25% in both Football and Basketball and has lost money all three years that the team has been in the conference is superior to being an Independent and being financially successful for all three years of independence.

  • kfbob SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 4:30 p.m.

    Now if we could just get Tyler to play defense, rebound and hit the open guy occasionally, then we might be on to something. Rarely does a team that has player that shoots as much as Haws win championships. MJ doesn't really count because he was a better defender than scorer.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 31, 2014 3:49 p.m.

    Two For Flinching

    "RPI is not a ranking. It's a measure of SOS, and how a team does against that particular schedule."

    Trust a Ute to make such silly argument.

    Please explain how you calculate STRENGTH of SCHEDULE if every team in said schedule isn't RANKED.

  • WJCoug South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 31, 2014 2:31 p.m.

    Motorbike - this coming from a Ute who jumps all over BYU for living in the past when bringing up 1984. Hilarious!

    If your were there when McGill scored his 60 points, some 50 or more years ago, then crow about it all you want. You experienced it and it is part of who you are. But if it was before you were born or if you knew nothing about it at the time, then you are rehashing ancient history that has had no impact on you.

    As far as BYU vs. Utah, the accomplishments are fairly similar. Utah had its final four run but BYU has been far more successful the past decade or so. And since Ute fans like to toot their horn about being better than BYU because you beat us this year, please realize that the all time win - loss record between BYU & Utah is in BYU's favor, so BYU's basketball program clearly has the superior history.

    I however, prefer to look back to when I started being a BYU fan and compare the programs from that point one. Much more relevant for me. I quite frankly don't care what happened in 1925.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 1:09 p.m.


    "So Motorbike - the 60 points was put up by who and more importantly, when? My guess is that it was well over 50 years ago. You might want to think about joining the 21st century!"

    What does it matter when it was? Does the original comment about Jimmer dropping 47 have any more bearing on this years' games than Billy "The Hill" McGill's 60 points simply because Jimmer's was 3 years ago and McGill's was 52 years ago?

    And if you're saying the record is somehow more meaningful because it was more recent ... consider that there was no such thing as a 3-pointer when McGill played yet he still scored 13 more points than Jimmer.

    On top of that, McGill's one of only 21 collegiate players to ever score 60 or more points, he was drafted number 1 in the NBA draft, and he's credited with having created the jump hook.

    By all means feel free to concentrate on the best years in BYU basketball history if you so choose, but when it comes to comparing accomplishments, Utah has BYU beat in almost every direction you could possibly turn.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Jan. 31, 2014 12:56 p.m.

    RE: Chris B.
    “I wasn't aware Pacific was a division 1 program. Learn something new all the time”

    It is surprising that you wouldn’t know a team that played in the NCAA tournament last year would be a D1 team. Maybe you’ve stopped watching the tourney since your team never makes it.

    RE: ekute
    “Other than Stanford, byu hasn't shown that they can beat a good team.”

    Um, BYU beat #25 ranked Texas on the road, I think that qualifies.

    Wish the trolls could bring some actual smack to these discussion boards, debating your rivals RPI and conference ranking is pretty weak.

    Sagarin rankings: BYU #46, Utah #55, Pacific #121
    3 best BYU wins: at #40 Stanford, at (neutral but in TX region) #37 Texas, #90 Utah State
    3 best Utah wins: #46 BYU, #16 UCLA, #96 Oregon State

    Neither BYU nor Utah have much to crow about at this point. I believe BYU has the higher ranking based on their road/neutral wins and close losses to top 15 competition. Utah is ranked higher than expected because they won all their easy out of conference games.

  • The Moose Southern, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 12:35 p.m.

    @Jarka-rus: I'm happy for all of your rankings and stuff like that. I see comments about Jimmer on this line of posts. All crack me up. I think Utah played BYU this year. I'll use the result of a real game to do my judging.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 12:29 p.m.


    And yet why did Coaches Poll, USA today poll, AP poll...all have Duke, Michigan State, Kentucky, and Louisville all ranked and none of them ranked BYU even though byu had a better RPI at the time?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 12:26 p.m.

    @ jarka-rus

    You don't think Utah is a dramatically improved team from last season?

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Jan. 31, 2014 12:04 p.m.

    STill no explanation from Chris B and Ute fans on why they claim their team is sooo much better than last year after a pattycake schedule and a 1-20 record on the road. Same drivel we heard all season through football. Yet they end up with the same record and a no show at a bowl game.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 31, 2014 12:02 p.m.

    @chris, When you say that the RPI is not a "Ranking" I am sorry but you are wrong... That's exactly what it is ... Just like USA Today's Poll, the AP Poll, The Sagarin, BPI and the Harris Polls... All of them rate College Division I Basketball Programs or Teams against each other and those who understand college Basketball know how to read them.

    The RPI is known as the "Equalizing Poll"... It factors in a Team's Strength of Schedule (of games played to date)... BYU use to have a top 10 SOS but now it sits as 23rd most difficult schedule with about 25% of the regular season left to play (8 games)... Unfortunately, because of BYU's Losses to Gonzaga and Portland in 3 OTs, they have dropped about 10 spots to #47 (still top 50)... They are behind Arizona, UCLA, Colorado, and ASU, tied with Oregon, and ahead of everybody else in the big bad pac12.

    the utes have climbed to #111 (just behind OSU) with a SOS in the 150 to 160 range to currently "snag" 10th in the pac12... Only 4 places behind "Pacific" however, which you ridicule.... lol.

  • WJCoug South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 31, 2014 12:00 p.m.

    So Motorbike - the 60 points was put up by who and more importantly, when? My guess is that it was well over 50 years ago.

    You might want to think about joining the 21st century!

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Jan. 31, 2014 11:56 a.m.

    To see Chris B disparaging the WCC is understandable. After all, it is easier to accept a loss to UCLA than to Portland or Pepperdine. So Utah's record doesn't seem as bad as BYU's record because Utah is losing to PAC12 teams (and beating a few, too).

    However, the NCAA doesn't look at it that way. They look at a team's record and SOS. BYU's record is mediocre because BYU is a flawed, young team. They don't deserve an NCAA bid this year. Maybe they can get an NIT bid.

    To me, the WCC seems at least a tough as the old MWC was. BYU was more dominant in that conference recently than the WCC. So to BYU fans who think the WCC is beneath BYU's dignity, I say, lets keep our mouths shut until we start dominating that conference. Right now, we're a middle of the pack WCC team. Live with it. This BYU team is too young and it won't help that Mica will be gone next year.

    So BYU will be in the scrum but I don't see a top 10 ranking anytime soon.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 11:45 a.m.

    It's funny how frantic the byu "fans" get after a Chris comment. Other than Stanford, byu hasn't shown that they can beat a good team. To predict and mark down a blowout Of Gonzaga in the rematch is way out there.

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    Jan. 31, 2014 11:33 a.m.

    Great win over a tough team whose record does not indicate how tough they are. BYU will probably be ranked now. Wish more fans would show up at home.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 11:25 a.m.

    Mika and Austin did what they're supposed to do under the basket against inferior talent, they deserve credit for the win.

    A less than stellar Cougar basketball team vs...Pacific? And there was still over 14,000 fans in the building. It's my honest opinion that byu has the most loyal fan base in the country, in all sports. Props.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 11:18 a.m.

    Still no explanation from byu fans I see on why Duke, Lousiville, Kentucky, and Michigan State were all ranked a month into the season and byu wasn't even though byu had a higher RPI than all of them?


  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Jan. 31, 2014 11:07 a.m.

    Look no further than how far the mighty buffs and ducks have fallen off the mighty pac map to see how weak the Pac conference is, Zona is no longer looking all that worthy of the #1 spot. Gonzaga could easily compete and dominate in the Pac. the rematch in Provo is gonna be a blowout on the Cougs side mark it down

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 10:30 a.m.


    "Why don't you focus on getting someone from your team to clean up the 47 that Jimmer dropped in your house. You have a BYU player who u consider 2nd division holding the record in your own building."

    And a Ute holds the highest scoring record on BYUs home court ... by the way, that record is a whopping 60 points.

  • cal cougar camarillo, CA
    Jan. 31, 2014 9:33 a.m.

    Thoughts on last nights game.

    1. Decent defensive effort, but could be better. Especially on 3 point shooting defense. This league is all about the 3 point shot. They had lots of active hands on defense and steals.

    2. I am glad Haws and Mica didn't have an off night or we would have lost bad. Other players need to step up.

    3. The mid range jumper has disappeared except for Haws. Carlino, who is in a slump, shot almost exclusively 3 pointers. Collinsworth will only drive to the basket. Anyone knows this on the other team. They wait at the basket for him, foul him and hope he misses his free throws. He won't pull up and shoot an 8 to 10 footer or anything mid range. Halford has an exceptional mid range shot, but almost never uses it. On occasion, fake the three and shoot something closer. Austin just won't shoot. I could go on, but won't on this.

    4. Good fast break effort and execution.

    5. I liked the rebounding and hustle on 50 50 balls.

    6. Nice ball movement and assists

    This team has it all if they could solve their shot selection problems. Talent and desire are there.

  • BlackDiamond Provo, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 9:15 a.m.

    @Chris B
    Why don't you focus on getting someone from your team to clean up the 47 that Jimmer dropped in your house. You have a BYU player who u consider 2nd division holding the record in your own building.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Jan. 31, 2014 7:53 a.m.

    So, yeah, the WCC is ranked as the 9th best conference, using the RPI metric. However, you do realize that there are 32 Division 1 conferences, right? That would place the WCC solidly in the top third. Calling it a weak conference is just ridiculous. And I really would like to see Utah play a full WCC conference slate and see how they do. It won't be as well as some people would like to think. There is a ton of parity in college basketball.

    Also, the WCC is a better league this season than last. Sure, the teams at the top aren't as good. Gonzaga is no longer in the running for a #1 seed. I mean, they did lose a couple of REALLY good players. St. Mary's lost a pretty darn good point guard, and the heart-and-soul of their squad. But the teams at the bottom are much improved. Last season, if I remember correctly, they had a few teams in the 200 RPI range. This season? One, and that was a recent drop.

    I'd ask that certain people put things in perspective, but I don't think they're capable.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Jan. 31, 2014 7:50 a.m.

    A 55 ranking is really something to be proud of.

  • oddman ,
    Jan. 31, 2014 7:02 a.m.

    To all the chest thumpers, it was a good win. Good but not great. The bench depth needs more opportunity to gain confidence as they have shown glimpses of solid play when called upon. Actually just 3 scorers of signifigance against Pacific. Haws was unstoppable but we must have more contributions from others that we can count on when Haws cools off as he occasionally does. Game was never in doubt but I suspect we have denser jungle to fight through before this journey is over. Sorta missed Carlino last night and hope he's saving it for the next game.

  • rightascension Provo, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 6:59 a.m.

    The biggest surprise of the night for me was discovering the the National College Basketball Association has the word "flagrant" in its vocabulary.

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 6:30 a.m.


    It's laughable how RPI "RANKINGS" are so meaningful to U when Utah beats a Top 50 or Top 100 RPI ranked team, but so meaningless when it's a BYU opponent.

    Bottom line:

    #48 BYU(14-9) SOS #16 is RANKED considerably higher than #104 Utah(14-6) SOS #185.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 11:48 p.m.

    @ Down under

    RPI is not a ranking. It's a measure of SOS, and how a team does against that particular schedule.

    If you want rankings:

    Utah - 55

    Pacific - 119

  • 93 COUGAR Orem, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 11:05 p.m.

    Great to see some fire in the team tonight! They need to play with that same intensity the rest of the way. Solid win and we need some payback for St. Mary's Saturday night.

    Glad to see Chris is here worshipping his favorite team again. It makes me laugh every time I see his name on a BYU article. This guy knows the team better than any of us!

    Go Cougars!

  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    Jan. 30, 2014 10:52 p.m.

    Pacific won their conference last year and went to the tourney. A couple of years before they went to the finals of the CIT. Seems that the Tigers have had much more post-season success in the past few years than some team that CB supposedly roots for. Santa Clara has also won both the CBI and the CIT since CB's team went to the post-season in any capacity.

    Pacific is a solid win. WCC is one of the only conferences in the country where only 1 team has a losing record.

  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    Jan. 30, 2014 10:33 p.m.

    @NevadaCoug - echo your sentiment. No need to add wear-and-tear in a chippy game. Let the bench out more. Bench only scored 3 points - won't cut it. Really like to see Carlino, Winder, and Bartley do a 2-man press. It would give the bench more life, create more stops, and play to their strengths.

    Pacific still scored fairly well tonight, often getting into the lane. Need to throw them off thier game earlier in the posession. Bartley was guarding the 4 when he was in at the end of the first half, and didn't do a very good job. But he defends wings well, and needs to be given more of a chance to do it. Bartley seems to have totally lost his confidence, trying for a fade away instead of taking it to a fairly open hoop.

    Worthington looks totally lost. Here's an idea: on defense, foul someone, hard! On offense, pick like you mean it, and catch the ball.

    Liked the mixing it up on D, even though Pacific still shot well. Nonetheless - has Rose ever heard about the box and 1?

    Night belonged to THaws - way to play!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Jan. 30, 2014 10:29 p.m.

    Way to go cougs.

    In the past decade, you lead the state of Utah in victories, and are the stae champs.

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 10:22 p.m.

    Nice win over a top 100 rpi team. The Cougs played better defense and were the aggressors tonight. I see cb is out early tonight. He must be a BYU fan in disguise since he follows them closer than most BYU fans. Thanks for the support.

    After BYU thumps St. Mary's on Saturday they will be back in the NCAA discussions with a top 50 rpi.

    Just checked the division 1 stats tonight and before this game BYU was ranked in the top ten nationally in points per game and rebounds and #11 in assists. They should remain in the top ten in both stats and may move up in assists.
    Go Cougars and keep it rolling.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 10:14 p.m.


    weeks ago the WCC was the 2nd ranked RPI?


    In other words, just as most teams were finishing cupcake play and beginning conference play with the big boys, byu was done playing the big boys(other than Gonzaga) was ready for conference play of almost nothing but cupcakes.

    WCC is 9th "best" league per ESPN
    Pac 12 is 3rd

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 10:13 p.m.

    So Crissy,
    It may interest you to know that Pacific, the last place team in the WCC has a higher ranking than u and several other pac teams. Hmmm........ In fact they are in the top 100.
    You might want to lay low for a while until the utes get into the top 100 in either the rpi or SOS stats. Just saying. So if you are correct about the rpi as a tool to determine the brackets, where do the utes stand in the rpi standings???? has their bubble burst yet?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 10:06 p.m.

    @Just the FAX,

    You do realize that RPI is not a ranking right, but simply a tool to help decide whether bubble teams deserve to be in the big dance?

    One month into the season byu had a better RPI than Duke, Lousville, Michigan State, and Kentucky.

    And yet all four of those teams were ranked but byu wasn't.

    Why do you think that is?

    Maybe the people making the rankings just forgot about byU?

  • The Anti Chris Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 10:00 p.m.

    Crissy, You may be interested in knowing that Pacific had a top 100 rpi in the preseason. I can't recall where the utes ranked but I think it may have been in the bottom 5 in the entire country and in the 300's. The WCC has more talent that you might think. Just weeks ago they were ranked 2nd in the country in rpi as a conference, ahead of the mighty pac. Of course utah's cupcake schedule lowered the pac rpi and sos all by itself so I'm sure that the pac appreciates your contribution.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Jan. 30, 2014 9:50 p.m.


    #98 Pacific is ranked higher than 12 of the 14 teams Utah has beaten this season.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Jan. 30, 2014 9:49 p.m.

    People are always wondering why Bartley and Winder (and others) don't get more playing time?

    This was a 20 point game, and then Rose cleared the bench.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 9:19 p.m.

    If byu can keep this up, I think 4th place in the WCC is very much alive for them. They will need to pull of an upset or two along the way against Santa Clara or Pepperdine, but I think byu can do it.

    Good win.

    I wasn't aware Pacific was a division 1 program. Learn something new all the time.