Is Mike Lee the future of the tea party?

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  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    Feb. 1, 2014 10:40 a.m.

    Mike Lee and the Tea Party deserve each other. Neither "get it." Neither support the constitution, work for the good of the United States or work for the good of the real people who are citizens of this country. Hopefully they will soon make each other go way. We'd be better off without either of them.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 10:21 p.m.

    If you want the government shutdown out of bitter futility.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 2:01 p.m.

    @2 bits
    Cottonwood Heights, UT

    Wouldn't it be funny if Mike Lee turned out to be a good guy, with a normal family, and normal aspirations for our country?


    You mean like saying he's fiscally responsible and then not paying his own mortgage?
    Like saying you love and defend the Constitution,
    then shut-down the Government when you don't get your way?

    FYI --
    We're not laughing.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 1:23 p.m.

    Wouldn't it be funny if Mike Lee turned out to be a good guy, with a normal family, and normal aspirations for our country?

    What if he really doesn't have horns, or a pitch fork. Even though he's been seen standing by Ted Cruz, and was even present at a rally where Sarah Palin was present... Eeeeeuwww....

    He's just another guy like anybody else. No reason to be scared of him, or to demonize him. Same goes for Obama.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 10:55 a.m.

    KJB1 is on the mark: "This irrational fear and hatred of President Obama is getting ridiculous."

    Those who live by the sword of fear and hate perish from the same affliction.

  • Ajax Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 10:42 a.m.

    Sen. Lee is the perfect spokesperson for the Don Quijote crowd—full of fanciful thinking and always tilting at windmills. The more extreme the tea party rhetoric the more propagandistic and less real it is.

    Who would care if it were not so misguided and counterproductive?

    Too bad Sen. Lee is also spokesperson for the rest of us.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 8:51 a.m.


    You might be right that Ronald Reagan might not fit in well with the current crop of GOP leadership.

    But I could make the same argument about liberal's favorite icon as well - JFK. He probably wouldn't get the nomination from the Democrats today either. He was much too moderate.

    We could argue all day about someone in the past (Washington, Licoln, FDR, Jesus) and how they might do in today's political climate, but it would all be conjecture so that kind of argument is pointless in my opinion.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Jan. 31, 2014 8:01 a.m.

    A little off target here but an opportunity.

    Here's why Republicans are having a hard time nationally.

    First of all; "Conservatism represents opportunity, NOT a cradle-to-grave government subsistence.". The belief and thus a fight against the idea that "liberalism" promotes a cradle to grave subsistence. Key word here is subsistence.

    Liberalism and the general population do not believe the government should give you everything from the time your born until you die. Both do believe that the government can have an important and effective influence on your life from it's inception to it's conclusion.

    Secondly; "The people you mentioned certainly lean pretty far to the right, but no more than Obama, Hillary, Pelosi, and Reid lean to the left." Reality check. None of the Dems you named are anything other than center left of the general populations attitudes.

    These two Republican beliefs alone account for why a Rommney couldn't win nationally, forget a tea partier.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 31, 2014 7:26 a.m.

    "The last true conservative that the GOP ran won in a landslide;R.R."

    Sounds great, but if RR ran today on his past achievements, he would have some strong opposition on the far right.

    It only takes ONE slip up for the GOP base to sit you in the corner.

    Rubio was put aside for pushing an immigration plan that included citizenship.
    McCain was censured in Arizona
    Christie was chastised for acknowledging Obama for helping his state out.

    Reagan raised taxes many many times.
    Reagan pushed several federal and state gun control measures.
    Reagan gave amnesty to millions of immigrants.

    Any ONE of these things would get him pushed aside in todays GOP.

    It is wishful thinking that Reagan is the model that the GOP is looking for.

    BTW, I liked Reagan. He was a moderate conservative.

    Or as they would call him today - a RINO.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    Jan. 30, 2014 7:18 p.m.

    This irrational fear and hatred of President Obama is getting ridiculous...Seriously people...

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 30, 2014 5:49 p.m.

    @ LDS Liberal; I remember R.R. and he literally saved this country after Jimmy. Inflation was double digits, the military had been gutted and gasoline lines were everywhere. R.R. had to completely rebuild the military which eventually caused the former Soviet Union to collapse. He made Americans proud to be Americans again. The rest of what you said is baloney! By the way, it isn't the NUMBER of executive orders that are bad its the KIND of executive orders, like rewriting laws that are very unconstitutional. As far as R.R. increasing the debt, Obama has increase the debt in 6 years more than all the other Presidents up to GWB's second term.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 5:16 p.m.


    Thid fails to mention that Ronald Reagan increased the size of the Federal Government under his Presidency, the National Debt rose 188%, Defense Spending 92%, Deficit 94%, and spent ZERO net on Education. Do you think those numbers would go over nowadays as a "true conservative?"
    3:57 p.m. Jan. 30, 2014


    Don't forget Reagan also:

    banned handguns and assault weapons,
    signed abortion legislation,
    granted amnesty to illegal immigrants,

    He also signed more Executive orders than Bush, Clinton or Obama by a long shot:

    Ronald Reagan 381
    George W. Bush 291
    Barack Obama 168

    Tea-Partiers say they love Reagan,
    but have know idea who he was or how that he was truly a Big Tent MODERATE.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 4:33 p.m.

    This irrational fear and hatred of the Tea Party is getting ridiculous... Seriously people...

  • brian timothy Lehi, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 2:33 p.m.

    Here's what I know about Mike Lee - which trumps all other positions he claims: He is proud to stand next to Cruz from Texas ... Cruz can read Green Eggs and Ham on the senate floor - while the nation faces one of its worst fiscal crises in its history. Cruz and Lee were proud to be influential in the sequester, costing the american people 66 billion ... BILLION ... dollars. Many people were extremely effected by that - as Senators and Representatives continued to get their salaries. I view what they did as unconscionable. And to what end? I think a good plan would be for Congress to pay back the money that they withheld from all of the much needed services ... the $66,000,000. To advance their own personal political agendas, at the expense of countless hard working people? They were punished for just that - being hard working and still barely getting by. We know that's where Ted Cruz stands, and likewise Mike Lee and his buddy Sarah Palin. Just the facts, just the facts. Wish I could say different ... In these times we need someone who truly has the needs of the people at the top of the list.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 2:13 p.m.

    Gotta love when Democrats tell Republicans what they must do to win... as if...


    The GOP is not morphing into the Tea Party, any more than the DNC is morphing into Occupy Wallstreet.

    They are both just special-interest "movements" within the party. They are not taking over the party. They are not replacing the party. They are just a small fragment/faction of the party (both a little radical I may add).

    I really don't get why Democrats are so afraid of the Tea Party movement. If you had ever actually been to one of their rallies, or talked to one without your per-concieved notions (mostly MSNBC-type hyperbole) you would find out their not that bad.

    Same goes for Occupy Wallstreet types. They're not mainstream (don't claim to be). They both have a major concern (Tea Party's is taxes and Government spending, Occupy's is the 1%, and income gap). But they are not taking over. They are not becoming the party. You need to quit being so scared and freaked out by the Tea Party movement. It's not big deal! They're not out to get anybody or to destroy the country!

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 2:09 p.m.

    No. I think the future of the tea party is more along the lines of what happened at the end of the Cretaceous period.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 1:51 p.m.

    waikiki_dave: "Politicians like Mike Lee, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul are NOT mainstream and it is highly unlikely they will ever appeal to a national audience."

    Why does that principle seem to only apply to conservatives and not liberals?

    The people you mentioned certainly lean pretty far to the right, but no more than Obama, Hillary, Pelosi, and Reid lean to the left. Yet in liberal's eyes that certainly does not disqualify their favorites from "appealing to a national audience".

    But that doesn't stop them from repeating over and over that they believe true conservatives have no chance in elections so the GOP might as well nominate candidates that you really can't tell from their Democrat opponents.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 1:21 p.m.

    The problem we conservatives have is making people understand that conservatism can be GOOD for them. Conservatism represents opportunity, NOT a cradle-to-grave government subsistence.

    People have become disillusioned with the Republican party. But (most of)the Republican party is nothing but "democrat lite".

    Doesn't EVERYONE want less government, and don't we ALL want for the government to pay its' bills as they accrue, thus lowering the chance of Weimar-like inflation?

    What's wrong with that?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 1:17 p.m.

    A comment I tried to post about Mike Lee and his Tea Party role was rejected by DN’s censors for the following reason:

    * Comment included personal attacks, name-calling, epithets, racial slurs or other derogatory statements.

    This is the comment: Some people believe the Constitution is hanging by a thread. If it is, we need to keep an eye on Mike Lee. He plays with scissors.

    I don’t see any racism. Name calling? Epithets? Derogatory comment? Name-calling?

    How is trying to point out that Mike Lee may not be the Constitutional savior some people believe him to be, a personal attack?

  • Mark from Montana Davis County, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 1:06 p.m.

    If he is a member of the Tea Party, then he should resign from the Republican Party before he drives everyone else out of it. Lee wants to get money from the Republicans, yet he doesn't agree with most of what the Party stands for.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Jan. 30, 2014 12:57 p.m.

    As long as conservatives continue to insist on making campaigns about social issues, they will continue to lose and lose big. Republicans need to stick to what they're good at: Economics and foreign affairs. Republicans campaigning on social issues is like a football team calling every play straight to their opponent's best defender.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 30, 2014 12:52 p.m.

    GOP loses in presidential races because they run moderates like that guy from Arizona and (dare I say it), Mitt Romney. The last true conservative that the GOP ran won in a landslide;R.R. Believe it or not, the vast majority of Americans are not liberals.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 12:53 p.m.

    He's obviously very intelligent. My only question is... how does he connect with people.

    I've never been one who shoots for mediocrity, or mainstream, or same as the rest. I think I see that in him too.

    Many people still want "mainstream", same as the rest, politicians. I guess we'll find out if the majority in Utah like that. At least we all know where he stands now. Last time he was a new-comer and a relative unknown. I've been disappointed in some things he's done (the shutdown antics) but his knowledge of the Constitution is unquestionable... and I like that in my representative in Washington.


    It's funny on Mike Lee... the people who cry about term limits and getting the old representatives out and give new people a try... change their colors completely when it comes to him.

    He's the first to oust a good-old-boy lifetime politician in my political memory (the thing people say we need)... but when one person finally does what most of us say we need... they don't like it. They want the 47-year career politician back in.

    We are fickle.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 30, 2014 12:45 p.m.

    Nothing needs to be said "against" other political philosophies when Mike Lee speaks. He knows the Constitution. He stands for the Constitution. He defends the Constitution. Isn't that why we elect representatives to represent the people and the States? He knows the proper role of government, and he takes government to task for exceeding its proper role. He knows what the proper role of the executive branch is and he takes the President to task for exceeding the limited authority granted to the chief executive. He knows the role of Congress and he takes Congress to task for exceeding its role.

    Hatch doesn't get it. Harry Reid doesn't get it. John Boenher doesn't get it. Mike Lee gets it.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 12:28 p.m.

    If you actually listened to Mike's speech you came away feeling that this guy REALLY gets it - here is one Senator that really speaks for the people of this country and not for party big wigs. Everything Mike said was spot on and actually very common sense. I liked how Mike explained what the Tea Party movement was all about. He said that the American People have always had the right to protest against BAD or OPPRESSIVE government which was how the original Boston Tea Party got started. People in this county don't just sit and get trampled on - they organize and they protest. Today we have a president who thinks he is a King and demands total compliance to everything he wants with no compromise or else he orders his secret police (the IRS)to seek and destroy. Reminds you of another King 250 years ago named George.

    As far as Orin Hatch and KSL goes - they seem to be panicking that a new breed of conservative GOP is emerging and that threatens their cozy little "good ole boy" world of do-nothing , get-along politics.

  • AZKID Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 30, 2014 12:03 p.m.

    Lee for Senate majority leader 2015. I'll gladly trade this Mormon for the other one. They are actually good friends, so it should make for a smooth transition.

    Mike, your dad is looking down from heaven on all this with a BIG smile!

  • waikiki_dave Honolulu, HI
    Jan. 30, 2014 11:56 a.m.

    Sorry Erik, if the GOP is trying to re-invent itself by morphing into the "tea-party" then they will continue to lose big in future presidential elections. Politicians like Mike Lee, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul are NOT mainstream and it is highly unlikely they will ever appeal to a national audience. I even doubt that Mike Lee is capable of being re-elected in the state of Utah. Take that to the bank!