True state of the presidency? Pretty bad

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  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Feb. 3, 2014 9:43 a.m.


    How about the auto industry bailout?

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 2, 2014 12:46 p.m.

    @Mike Richards
    "Obama has never run a business."

    Hoover and Bush were business owners, how'd that work out for the nation?

    @Chris B
    "it soared to over 11%"

    Unemployment never got to 11% under Obama, it peaked at around 10.0%.

  • Utah Soldier Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 1, 2014 8:49 p.m.

    bungalow -

    How can you say that Obama cut the deficit? He is the ONLY president to have 1 billion dollar deficits - which he did 4 years. He increased both the deficit and the debt. Now, the deficit is going down, but not at the levels of Bush.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 1, 2014 8:38 p.m.


    Well said!. As a conservative Independent (former Republican) I agree with your assessment. I do not believe that Mitt Romney would have brought many solutions to America's problems other than helping the rich get richer. President Obama promoted healthcare reform which is so badly needed in America with our hopelessly broken healthcare system. At least he had the compassion to eliminate the insidious prohibition of folks with pre-existing conditions from being able to get insurance. Kudos to him for that! It appears we need to clean house in Washington, starting with the extremists in both parties and try to get good men and women who will work with integrity and collaboration to find better solutions to America's problems.

    Feb. 1, 2014 7:32 p.m.

    VST, they moved it.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 1, 2014 11:53 a.m.

    There You Go Again
    Saint George, UT

    It was actually JFK who said all boats float in a rising tide. President Kennedy would be castigated by present day liberals for his balanced and moderate policies. The accusation of partisanship by the left is an attempt to deflect the highly partisan nature of the State of the Union address. It was unvarnished campaign rhetoric. If you want unbalanced, partisan reporting read the New York TImes and other national news sources. Thanks DN for bringing some balance to the calculus.

  • Spoc Ogden, UT
    Feb. 1, 2014 1:38 a.m.

    Mikhail, objective facts are sometimes difficult to come by. In the short term the unemployment rate is a quick and dirty way of looking at things. But in a prolonged downturn like we are currently experiencing, after a while people simply give up on looking. The method of calculating unemployment would have you believe that if they are not looking, they must be employed. Nor does it acknowledge the under-employed who in desperation have taken anything they can get.

    A much better indicator for the current situation is the workforce participation rate. From the late 40s to the late 60s it hovered around 59 to 60 percent. Then for what ever reason, more women began working and it climbed until it leveled off at 64 percent during the Carter years. Then it rose steadily during the Reagan years, bounced around the 66 to 67 percent range all through the Bush-Clinton-Bush years. Then in 2009 it began a steep and steady dive and doesn't show any sign of a turn-around yet. Current rate is 62.8, a level we have not seen in 36 years. The current policies do not seem to have worked.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 10:52 p.m.

    You're singing to the choir here. But I'm still not voting republican next time.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 10:10 p.m.

    No Mitt, no happy.

  • Mikhail ALPINE, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 10:05 p.m.

    Why do those who love the current POTUS assume that those who do not appreciate his blind ambition and lack of experience were in complete support of the previous POTUS? Might not Bush be accountable for things, as they were when Obama took control of the executive office? I believe so. While some argue that things are better now than 5 years ago - I would ask for objective facts to prove the point. However, can you say that things are better in the 5th year of the current administration than they were in the fourth and fifth years of the previous administration? If so, what are the objective facts?

    Is there any argument that Obama was one of the least qualified and least experience executives to serve in this position? A leader? Really?

  • oldasdirt Grantsville, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 7:54 p.m.

    Actually "The one go again" the comment about a rising tide was first used by John F Kennedy.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Jan. 31, 2014 4:34 p.m.

    "Partisanship rears it's ugly head once again in the DN."

    Partisanship is the kindest thing you could call it. Everyone expects the DN to be partisan. I would think the continual half truths, selective memory, and lack of context would be the most upsetting to those not of the persuasion.

    How do you talk about jobs without talking about an economy that was losing 250000 a month before he became President?

    How do you talk about a recovery without acknowledging that we are pretty much at the same unemployment figure Regan was at in his second Presidency?

    How do talk about preventable embassy tragedies without acknowledging the 13 embassy attacks in the preceding 13 years?

    There's one simple answer to all those questions and it's simple partisanship. They massively dislike this President and he has cleaned their clock twice, and FT is right, this country is in a much better place than it was 5 years ago under conservative (thousands of Americans killed, trillions of dollars wasted, an economy in absolute free fall, and inequality soaring).

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 3:09 p.m.


    Instead of falling back on the weak "partisanship" excuse it might help to actually tell us specially what was said in the article that was off base. If you check the latest ABC, NBC, Wall Street Journal polls you will see that over 60% of American agree with the writer of this article that indeed Mr Obama is not to be trusted nor is the man competent to fix the economy.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 3:06 p.m.

    this is one of the best "spot - on" articles I have read from the Deseret News and I have to applaud the writer for a job well done. I really can't add anything more to what was said. Although I didn't quite have the stomach to watch the hour long state of the union I did read the speech afterwards and I have to marvel how a man can stand and shamelessly tout the Affordable Care Act after the past three years of bald faced lies about keeping your doctor and insurance especially knowing millions who have lost their insurance and can't afford the state exchange offerings are probably watching ...and throwing things at the TV!! The man in the Oval Office certainly lives in a bubble void of any connection with reality.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 3:00 p.m.

    To Ranch, FT and all the rest. I challange you to cite any newspaper, news TV show, magazine, ect that is without any kind of bias.


    If things are so great with Obama these last 5 years, why are so many Democrats beginning to run away from him before election in November? The only thing you guys have is speculation, not fact, that he prevented things from getting worse. We have the same speculation that had McCain or Romney won, things would be much better. What we do have though is fact. And the fact is that after 5 years of Obama all polls show Americans see Obama as failing up to now. If he doesn't turn it around in the next few months, and the Republicans win the House again and maybe the Senate, he will end up with the most unproductive 8 years of any American presidency. However, I do hope he keeps on bombing those terriorists with the drone strikes. That is the best thing he has done.

  • Cleetorn Fuaamotu, Tonga
    Jan. 31, 2014 12:47 p.m.

    @ Doug10

    "I think the author has decided to air his personal biases in this article."

    Uhhh, yeah. That's why they call it "opinion."

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 12:17 p.m.

    Our liberal or moderate posters should not be so emotional or upset by this editorial. This is the DNews and never have proclaimed to be "fair and balanced". I assume they read this newspaper for the same reasons I do. To understand the other side, to get a different view point than what you find in other outlets. Most of what was written here was an opinion, not a fact. It was how one person views things through their life experiences and outlook. Conservatives have such a strong dis-like for this President for a multitude of reasons but the biggest is due to his success of seizing the conservative freight train that was destroying this nation. Our country is in a much better place than it was 5 years ago and is heading in the right direction and BO deserves a lot of the credit. This author and newspaper helps remind us of where we were at and what was destroying this country under conservative leadership. And for that reason alone, I will continue to read it.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 12:08 p.m.

    You who whine about opinion in the paper, perhaps you should not read the opinion pages if that bothers you.

    Thank goodness there is a paper bold enough to print opinions that are not pre-approved by the federal government.

    Jan. 31, 2014 11:57 a.m.

    Why is this in the news section rather than being labeled an editorial?

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 11:35 a.m.


    Thank you for taking the time to respond to my comment.

    I agree with your comment.


    Driggs is one place Heaven can be found on this beautiful earth.

  • Mom of 8 Hyrum, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 11:12 a.m.


    Who says a newspaper is supposed to be bi-partisan? If you're looking for more liberal views, I can send you list of dozens of papers.

    I challenge you to name one truly neutral paper. Besides "The National Enquirer."

  • Shugoro Driggs, ID
    Jan. 31, 2014 10:47 a.m.

    Re: There You Go Again - These people are no longer in office ... but you have a point. Too many citizens (me included) align ourselves on political ideals and blindly follow those who claim to represent our interests (full disclosure - I am conservative), and blindly hate those who don't. Both major parties grew government and eroded freedoms while having majority control. Meanwhile, congressional salaries and benefits continue to increase and most everyone leaves Washington quite wealthy. Instead of bickering, let's unite against our common enemy. Let's clean house in Washington and elect people who will establish term limits, representation eager to listen and compromise for the betterment of the people, and those who will eliminate or at least put constraints on lobbyists. who will listen to each other and work together. Upward mobility should not be reserved for our politicians.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Jan. 31, 2014 10:20 a.m.


    You have a very short memory. Obama got EVERYTHING he wanted for the first two years. You name it, he got it and it has been a disaster. The Democrats own it.

  • morpunkt Glendora, CA
    Jan. 31, 2014 10:15 a.m.

    The media will continue to rally behind their creation, Barack Obama.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 31, 2014 10:01 a.m.

    "Remember the Keystone XL pipeline he did not want to build even though scientists had spent three years and filled eight volumes showing it was safe?"

    Jay, I do. I also know through my work with the companies involved that the route presents nothing new, but a short cut to what already exist. When you pull back the covers, it is simply a competitive play against rail... not the huge job maker as advertised by some.

    It really isn't worth going line by line through this diatribe... but needless to say it is the same old talking points heard now for 5 years. DN is becoming more an outlet for biased reporting and a spokes piece for the Koch Brothers than it is a reputable news paper that speaks values that reflect its ownership. There was absolutely nothing promoted or moved forward here.... a lost opportunity to move the conversation forward.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    Those who support the Democratic and Republican proposals for the last twenty years or more have only to look around to see that this country is not what it was before then. It has been a slow slide into the sewer. Anybody who thinks that it is O.K. for any president, whether Republican or Democrat, to ignore the Constitution is lost! My mechanic, whom I consider the type of people that are not only the backbone of this country, but have a really good sense of when people are telling the truth, said it best, "He just needs to go away!" I could tell his measured words were the kindest he could express. This President is the worst thing that has ever happened to this country, besides the immoral and corrupt politicians, and lazy, immoral, and entitled citizenry that don't understand the difference between the Constitution and toilet paper.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Jan. 31, 2014 9:41 a.m.

    There you go again:

    Reagan was quoting John Kennedy who was explaining why lower taxes would stimulate the economy. Yes, Kennedy was a Democrat but would have nothing in common with Barack Obama and co.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    Jan. 31, 2014 9:39 a.m.

    It is almost impossible to take this president seriously after all the missteps and lies. If "if you like your doctor and insurance... PERIOD" wasn't enough, we now know that Benghazi was not only preventable but from declassified documents we know that he was told it was a terrorist attack the day the attack took place (remember the YouTube explanation, lol). Anything to get reelected. Now to change the subject, he goes to the tried and true class and gender warfare. And you know what? Americans were dumb enough to fall for it. They were, after all, dumb enough to reelect him.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 9:38 a.m.

    Ambrose is trying to out-Krauthammer Krauthammer. "He may be the president who gave us . . . the most emaciated, laggard economic recovery since World War II." Um, who is it that has opposed every measure to try to deal with unemployment and jumpstart economic growth? That would be the Republican House. I would challenge the Deseret News to find an op-ed piece with some substance, some semblance of balance, and some evidence of being attached to reality. This is embarrassing and yet is symptomatic of why the GOP is struggling to retain adherents.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 9:28 a.m.

    We all should have known/realized/seen that Obama was not going to listen to anyone except the smartest person on Earth, himself, when he asked for the Simpson/Bowles commission to come up with an economic plan, and then he totally rejected it. And we still have people who defend Obama by citing Reagan and Bush failures. Yeah, that really solves our problems in 2014. Why not go back and blame King George. It would have about as much relevance to todays problems, which are beginning their 6th year under Obama.

  • Marigold Provo, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 9:08 a.m.

    In doing the homework, one will realize that the House of Representatives has sent many worthwhile bills to the Senate where Harry Reid has stopped them. Most bills haven't seen the light of day. Who is the obstructionist here? Please read about the scores of people who have lost their healthcare plan(s) because of Obamacare. Please read about the jobs going overseas. Please read about the Obama White House appointees...Please note that it is important to listen to and read more than one's favorite sources. I am tired of hearing about Mitt Romney and John Boehner and their inability to get things done. Where is the evidence? Mitt ran a successful business and hosted a wonderful Winter Olympics--pulling it out of the red, dealing with security issues right after 9/11--he was an Olympics boss who led by example working the venues, etc. Mitt was also a governor who, from what I have gleaned, never took a salary... Mr. Boehner and the House try, but their roadblock is the Democratic Party controlled Senate. Please read at least three different "news" sources per day, if you dare...

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 8:24 a.m.

    Awe, yet another article with no substance and nearly all the radio head talking points listed.
    This counts as an article?
    The big bad Obama is the worst president since the last president, who we loved and obeyed.
    "He may be the president who gave us the still scary threat of Obamacare"

    Scary? Only to people who listen to their radio scare them all day.

    Come on Dnews, this is not an article its a hit piece.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 8:20 a.m.

    Republican President Reagan said a rising tide floats all boats...

    Republican President Bush(1) said read my lips no new taxes...

    Republican President Bush(2) signed off on Cheney's deficits don't matter mantra...

    You'll have to forgive us if we don't believe what Reagan/Bush(1)(2)/Cheney/Republicans ever told/tell us what they were/are going to do with the economy.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 8:13 a.m.

    I think the author has decided to air his personal biases in this article. Having voted for Bush number one and two I was surprised to see Pres Obama get into office and more surprise4d to see him keep it.

    However Obamacare has made some strides to identifying the huge medical problem in our country, and he did that in the face of the entire GOP party and some of his own party.

    The author says that 3% of the population gets the minimum wage, yet he does not mention that in our state 17% of the population gets that minimum wage.

    I have learned something in the past 5 years and that is if we want something done in this country that Mr. Romney or Mr. Boehner are not the ones to get it done.

    Like him or dislike him Pres Obama is effective.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 8:05 a.m.

    Partisanship rears it's ugly head once again in the DN.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 7:53 a.m.

    Barack said he'd keep unemployment below 8% if given only first of many spendathons of 787 Billion.

    it soared to over 11%

    Barack promised he'd cut the deficit in half in his first term.

    He increased it

    You'll have to forgive us if we don't believe what barack tells us he's going to do with the economy

  • Mikhail ALPINE, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 7:53 a.m.

    Taking credit for things that he didn't do, blaming those who oppose him for all failures, claiming that his philosophy is virtuous while it is intended to provide centralized governmental power - this is his pattern. Calling those who disagree with his philosophy ignorant, bigoted, out-of-touch, or worse appears to be his only mantra.

    How is it that the citizens of this country would select a man with little experience who has embraced governing philosophies that have always failed?

    Can this trend of weak thinking and uninformed and emotionally based decision making ever be reversed?

    Does this man actually believe anything he says? What objective evidence do we have that we should believe anything that he says? It would appear that blindness can also be a choice…

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Jan. 31, 2014 7:01 a.m.

    Hey when you're a snake oil salesman you gotta sell snake oil!

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 31, 2014 3:38 a.m.

    When the inexperienced think that they know how to run a country because their "teacher" told them what to do, that nation will suffer. We have suffered since Obama took office. Millions of us are unemployed or underemployed. Millions of us have lost valuable health insurance or had our policies changed so that any sickness will bankrupt us. He put businesses in jeopardy when he forced them to close their doors or cut back the hours of their employees to thirty or less per week.

    Obama has never run a business. Most people agree that he has never even had a real job. His experience with economics is limited to the books his professors told him to read - books that promote socialistic ideas instead of American values. He doesn't know that employees must provide value and that their value must at least equal the wage that they are paid. Raising the minimum wage does not increase an employee's value. It increases his cost. Increasing costs force businesses to either shut down or fire people.

    Obama just doesn't care. He thinks he is right and that everyone else is wrong.