The GOP willing to deal on immigration reform

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    Jan. 29, 2014 12:48 a.m.

    A vote for amnesty is a vote against the American worker and getting Americans back to work.

    "the hammer" go to Mexico, talk to anyone over 40, and you'll find that the majority have been in this country at one time or another working. Letting them get a F-1 is not the issue, they want citizenship for them and their family so they can continue working without being deported. My family came here legally (including Mexico), it solves a lot of problems.

    If we accept their situation, should their parents benefit from their dishonesty? Would you support giving them a student visa, after their family is deported? Of course not, it's an excuse to give the entire family amnesty. Time to tell America the truth.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Jan. 28, 2014 11:46 p.m.

    @The Hammer, if the laws already on the book were enforced, their parents would be in their home country. Coming here illegally with children should not be a free ticket to citizenship for the parents and the children.

    Mexico was the only place their parents knew, until they came here illegally, what's the difference?

  • The Hammer lehi, utah
    Jan. 28, 2014 9:54 p.m.

    @Richard B

    I know how you get an F-1 visa and a J-1 visa. Do you know how they work? Its not as easy as you say and its not as realistic as that. There is a reason these children don't go home. They haven't lived in Mexico, some of them don't even speak Spanish with any fluency. Who would they stay with? Who would care for them while they wait for a visa which takes around 6 months? Why not let them get the F-1 while they are here and save them the plane trip? If you knew who the dreamers are you would laugh at how silly an idea you have proposed. Most of them have no connection to Mexico except their parents. This is their home this is their country. The USA is the only place they know.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 28, 2014 3:14 p.m.

    I know what you are saying is true. I'm a software developer. And the company I currently work for hires more than half of it's developers from overseas (India, China, Eastern Europe, etc) and brings them here for contract work at first. I know this true for many other technology companies.

    This isn't just a problem for my company. HR needs for IT resources fluctuate a lot. When the company changes direction and doesn't need as many they lay them off. This leaves a lot of foreign people who had a good working relationship with my company, but once they are unemployed and living in America they may find it hard to find another company that's as anxious to hire foreign workers. And they now have families, their children were born here, they are used to the American lifestyle (and American income), and want to stay here, but can't find a job.

    It's not just agriculture, construction, or the hospitality industry... our whole economy depends on immigration (preferably LEGAL) but it sometimes isn't kind to the people we bring here.

  • UtahFan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 28, 2014 12:29 p.m.

    @2 bits

    If you work in the technology industry (software engineer, software quality engineer, etc) you need to understand the H-1B visa issue. It will be rolled into ANY immigration package, and sometimes will be introduced into non-immigration bills. Massive increases in the H-1B visa threaten the careers of US technology workers.

  • SoCalChris Riverside, CA
    Jan. 28, 2014 11:54 a.m.

    Politically, I think the GOP is committing suicide if it maintains a hard line position. I can't think of any president in our lifetime who didn't have a moderate view on immigration, including Reagan. If we force our next presidential nominee to the far right like we did with Romney (and with Meg Whitman here is CA) we'll lose again. With the reform that's on the table it would take a long time (over 10 years as I recall) for there to be any new voters as a result. But the GOP would look infinitely better, not just to Latinos, but to all voters in the all-important center.

    If anyone thinks it's wimpy or unprincipaled to give any ground on the issue they should read up on history, particularly Lincoln and the Founders.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Jan. 28, 2014 10:24 a.m.

    The Dreamers already have a path, by returning home and comming back on a student visa (accelerated). It's the law, and if they don't abide by it, they can be denied applying for a visa 10 years. Their parents brought them here, not society. It's their parents they should blame for their situation.

    Foot on the throats of their parents? That's a little dramatic don't you think? Let's not forget the 21 million Americans looking for full time work, and those with stolen identities. Their children will remember. It's time to enforce our laws, and stop catering to business lobbyists.

  • The Hammer lehi, utah
    Jan. 28, 2014 8:28 a.m.

    Every year more than a million Hispanics decent who were born here and whose parents came here illegally or overstayed visas reach the age to vote. They are starting to vote in greater and greater numbers. Many of them already have some built in animosity towards Republicans and few Republicans reach out to them to show them what our policies are really about. This animosity will lead to a group of motivated voters who have an everlasting hatred toward Republicans and whats worse this group has already been born and are soon coming to the realization that mostly Republicans are the ones standing on the throats of their parents.

    I used to be against the dream act until I met "The Dreamers." Now I fully support it. Most of them are just hard working kids who become second class people who haven't been to mexico since they were 2 yrs old. Its a lie to say that this group of people will never birth or raise kids who will see the foot on their parents throat and lower their voting been like a pack of lions attacking a dying elephant. It won't be pretty if we fail to act.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 28, 2014 6:35 a.m.

    There is a wide gap between "pandering" and animosity.

    It is pathetic that Arizona "censured" McCain. This is a new low.
    I would be completely embarrassed to call myself a republican today (or a Democrat for that matter.)

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 27, 2014 11:44 p.m.

    @Fitness Freak
    "Democrats seem to be "on board" .....because Obama told them to"

    Democrats were working on this since 2006 when Bush's attempt with Dems fell apart.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 27, 2014 4:05 p.m.

    2 bits:

    I tend to agree with your analysis, but I would expand it a little and assert there are multiple bases under the GOP umbrella, and the Tea Partier group are less likely to want to moderate or see the need to compromise on immigration (or any one of a number of issues).

    This is a generalization, but the TP wave that helped propel Republicans in 2010 are the same ones who will resist what they'll see a "capitulation" on immigration, debt/deficit, even on the issue of raising the debt ceiling. (Eg, those who followed Michele Bachmann)

    The question for Republicans is to accept that some of this demographic will drop out of political participation - or, worse, form their own party to battle against both Democrats and Republicans - or to try and compromise with the Tea Partiers enough to keep most of them on board, while trying to attract more voters from the middle.

    I certainly don't have a crystal ball, but watching how the GOP handles these issues will be fascinating. Typically, it's been Republicans that are more disciplined, but watching Boehner lose control on the government shutdown was interesting.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 27, 2014 3:58 p.m.

    I'm with you. I don't think it was lack of pandering to the Hispanic community that cost the GOP the election.

    But the political editors and political commentators in the National Media (Sunday morning political news shows) and network political editors, etc, are continually trying to tell the GOP that this is their problem. They keep telling the GOP it's just they are on the wrong side of the Demographics. They don't attract enough young people, and they didn't attract enough votes from the special-interest groups. I agree it's mostly a smoke screen (to keep the GOP distracted from their real problems until it's too late).

    I don't agree with these political editors... but that's the narrative we're getting from the political editors, consistently.

    I think the GOP's problems are much deeper than this. But I think the political editors want them to THINK it's this simple (for now).

  • ManInTheMiddle SANDY, UT
    Jan. 27, 2014 3:51 p.m.

    Amnesty is the only compassionate choice.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 27, 2014 3:22 p.m.

    For those of you who haven't been paying much attention to the amnesty movement (yes, thats' what it is in spite of what the "headlines" want to tell you), the big monied business lobbyists are going all out on a national scale to pass amnesty.

    Democrats seem to be "on board" .....because Obama told them to - never mind the 90 million LEGAL Americans currently under/unemployed. I thought the democrats actually cared about working Americans - silly me!

    The ONLY ones who seem to be against amnesty are the 80-90% (depending on who's figures you use)of actual legal, voting American citizens.

    Apparentally, WE DON'T count for much.

    If the Repubs. (RINO's mostly)go along with the big money lobbyists and vote for any form of amnesty, it WILL be the beginning of the end of the Republican party and the costs to LEGAL American citizens will make Obamacare taxes look like "petty cash".

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    Jan. 27, 2014 1:57 p.m.

    No one believes the Hispanic vote cost them the election, it's just an excuse.

    The GOP won't hand the Democrats 30 million new voters. Nor should they put millions of people here illegally, double the green cards and triple the work visas in competition with the American worker. Amnesty, including letting them stay and work, will be suicide in November.

    Any attempt to allow them to stay should include restitution to those they have stolen identities from. Dishonest business can pay half of it.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 27, 2014 1:29 p.m.

    The GOP is ready to deal on this, I assure you.

    They are convinced that not pandering to the Hispanic community enough is the reason they lost the last election (along with not pandering enough to racial minorities, feminnists, LGBT groups, occupy wallstreet movement leaders, and being too closely associated with the vile Tea Party movement).

    The GOP is now doing a full court press trying to pander to all of them (just like the Democrats and the liberal media have taught them is "Required" by America's demographics today to win elections).

    I don't know if it's truly "required", but it sure seems to help.

    Problem is... the GOP will have to turn on it's base to do this. So they are kinda out of luck whether they do it or not (and I think Democrats and the liberal media know that).

    They either dump their base (and lose big). Or they stick with their base (and still lose because they didn't pander to the special interest groups enough).

    I think most in the GOP are ready to deal and pander till the cows come home... they want to stay in office.

  • Jack Aurora, CO
    Jan. 27, 2014 1:12 p.m.

    From the article I surmise that some in Democratic Party would prefer animosity and rancor on this issue, rather than conciliation and compromise as it would further their goals. So it isn't just the the other side who is obstructionist.....hmmm.

    Me? I would like to see a comprehensive immigration law that would deal with the real issue of what to do with those already here. There should be a path to legality, after a penalty sufficient to deter others from illegal entry. This will take some hard thinking and some real statesmanship (both genders included)to get this done.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Jan. 27, 2014 1:09 p.m.

    “If you are against the fastest-growing voting bloc in the country, you and your party don’t have a future,”

    Recently, the Arizona Republican Party formally censured Sen. John McCain for “a liberal voting record,” according to Politico's Burgess Everett. The resolution that the state party adopted cited his critical viewpoints against conservatives in the Republican Party and his willingness to work closely with Democrats on issues like immigration reform.

    “In adopting the censure, state GOP leaders affirmed that until McCain champions the party platform they will ‘no longer support, campaign for or endorse John McCain as our U.S. senator,’ ” Everett wrote.


    This is hilarious!

    John McCain was censured by his own Party in his own State.
    I had to look it up, it happened last Saturday.

    Why isn't that making National headline news?

    The GOP just keeps spinning further and further our of control...