A vote for amnesty is a vote against the American worker and getting Americans
back to work. "the hammer" go to Mexico, talk to anyone over
40, and you'll find that the majority have been in this country at one time
or another working. Letting them get a F-1 is not the issue, they want
citizenship for them and their family so they can continue working without being
deported. My family came here legally (including Mexico), it solves a lot of
problems. If we accept their situation, should their parents benefit
from their dishonesty? Would you support giving them a student visa, after their
family is deported? Of course not, it's an excuse to give the entire family
amnesty. Time to tell America the truth.
@The Hammer, if the laws already on the book were enforced, their parents would
be in their home country. Coming here illegally with children should not be a
free ticket to citizenship for the parents and the children. Mexico
was the only place their parents knew, until they came here illegally,
what's the difference?
@Richard BI know how you get an F-1 visa and a J-1 visa. Do you
know how they work? Its not as easy as you say and its not as realistic as
that. There is a reason these children don't go home. They haven't
lived in Mexico, some of them don't even speak Spanish with any fluency.
Who would they stay with? Who would care for them while they wait for a visa
which takes around 6 months? Why not let them get the F-1 while they are here
and save them the plane trip? If you knew who the dreamers are you would laugh
at how silly an idea you have proposed. Most of them have no connection to
Mexico except their parents. This is their home this is their country. The USA
is the only place they know.
UtahFan,I know what you are saying is true. I'm a software
developer. And the company I currently work for hires more than half of
it's developers from overseas (India, China, Eastern Europe, etc) and
brings them here for contract work at first. I know this true for many other
technology companies.This isn't just a problem for my company.
HR needs for IT resources fluctuate a lot. When the company changes direction
and doesn't need as many they lay them off. This leaves a lot of foreign
people who had a good working relationship with my company, but once they are
unemployed and living in America they may find it hard to find another company
that's as anxious to hire foreign workers. And they now have families,
their children were born here, they are used to the American lifestyle (and
American income), and want to stay here, but can't find a job.It's not just agriculture, construction, or the hospitality industry...
our whole economy depends on immigration (preferably LEGAL) but it sometimes
isn't kind to the people we bring here.
@2 bitsIf you work in the technology industry (software engineer,
software quality engineer, etc) you need to understand the H-1B visa issue. It
will be rolled into ANY immigration package, and sometimes will be introduced
into non-immigration bills. Massive increases in the H-1B visa threaten the
careers of US technology workers.
Politically, I think the GOP is committing suicide if it maintains a hard line
position. I can't think of any president in our lifetime who didn't
have a moderate view on immigration, including Reagan. If we force our next
presidential nominee to the far right like we did with Romney (and with Meg
Whitman here is CA) we'll lose again. With the reform that's on the
table it would take a long time (over 10 years as I recall) for there to be any
new voters as a result. But the GOP would look infinitely better, not just to
Latinos, but to all voters in the all-important center.If anyone
thinks it's wimpy or unprincipaled to give any ground on the issue they
should read up on history, particularly Lincoln and the Founders.
The Dreamers already have a path, by returning home and comming back on a
student visa (accelerated). It's the law, and if they don't abide by
it, they can be denied applying for a visa 10 years. Their parents brought them
here, not society. It's their parents they should blame for their
situation. Foot on the throats of their parents? That's a
little dramatic don't you think? Let's not forget the 21 million
Americans looking for full time work, and those with stolen identities. Their
children will remember. It's time to enforce our laws, and stop catering to
Every year more than a million Hispanics decent who were born here and whose
parents came here illegally or overstayed visas reach the age to vote. They are
starting to vote in greater and greater numbers. Many of them already have some
built in animosity towards Republicans and few Republicans reach out to them to
show them what our policies are really about. This animosity will lead to a
group of motivated voters who have an everlasting hatred toward Republicans and
whats worse this group has already been born and are soon coming to the
realization that mostly Republicans are the ones standing on the throats of
their parents.I used to be against the dream act until I met
"The Dreamers." Now I fully support it. Most of them are just hard
working kids who become second class people who haven't been to mexico
since they were 2 yrs old. Its a lie to say that this group of people will
never birth or raise kids who will see the foot on their parents throat and
lower their voting been like a pack of lions attacking a dying elephant. It
won't be pretty if we fail to act.
There is a wide gap between "pandering" and animosity.It is
pathetic that Arizona "censured" McCain. This is a new low.I
would be completely embarrassed to call myself a republican today (or a Democrat
for that matter.)
@Fitness Freak"Democrats seem to be "on board" .....because
Obama told them to"Democrats were working on this since 2006
when Bush's attempt with Dems fell apart.
2 bits:I tend to agree with your analysis, but I would expand it a
little and assert there are multiple bases under the GOP umbrella, and the Tea
Partier group are less likely to want to moderate or see the need to compromise
on immigration (or any one of a number of issues). This is a
generalization, but the TP wave that helped propel Republicans in 2010 are the
same ones who will resist what they'll see a "capitulation" on
immigration, debt/deficit, even on the issue of raising the debt ceiling. (Eg,
those who followed Michele Bachmann) The question for Republicans is
to accept that some of this demographic will drop out of political participation
- or, worse, form their own party to battle against both Democrats and
Republicans - or to try and compromise with the Tea Partiers enough to keep most
of them on board, while trying to attract more voters from the middle.I certainly don't have a crystal ball, but watching how the GOP handles
these issues will be fascinating. Typically, it's been Republicans that
are more disciplined, but watching Boehner lose control on the government
shutdown was interesting.
RichardB,I'm with you. I don't think it was lack of pandering
to the Hispanic community that cost the GOP the election. But the
political editors and political commentators in the National Media (Sunday
morning political news shows) and network political editors, etc, are
continually trying to tell the GOP that this is their problem. They keep
telling the GOP it's just they are on the wrong side of the Demographics.
They don't attract enough young people, and they didn't attract enough
votes from the special-interest groups. I agree it's mostly a smoke
screen (to keep the GOP distracted from their real problems until it's too
late).I don't agree with these political editors... but
that's the narrative we're getting from the political editors,
consistently.I think the GOP's problems are much deeper than
this. But I think the political editors want them to THINK it's this
simple (for now).
Amnesty is the only compassionate choice.
For those of you who haven't been paying much attention to the amnesty
movement (yes, thats' what it is in spite of what the "headlines"
want to tell you), the big monied business lobbyists are going all out on a
national scale to pass amnesty.Democrats seem to be "on
board" .....because Obama told them to - never mind the 90 million LEGAL
Americans currently under/unemployed. I thought the democrats actually cared
about working Americans - silly me!The ONLY ones who seem to be
against amnesty are the 80-90% (depending on who's figures you use)of
actual legal, voting American citizens.Apparentally, WE DON'T
count for much. If the Repubs. (RINO's mostly)go along with the
big money lobbyists and vote for any form of amnesty, it WILL be the beginning
of the end of the Republican party and the costs to LEGAL American citizens will
make Obamacare taxes look like "petty cash".
No one believes the Hispanic vote cost them the election, it's just an
excuse. The GOP won't hand the Democrats 30 million new voters.
Nor should they put millions of people here illegally, double the green cards
and triple the work visas in competition with the American worker. Amnesty,
including letting them stay and work, will be suicide in November. Any attempt to allow them to stay should include restitution to those they
have stolen identities from. Dishonest business can pay half of it.
The GOP is ready to deal on this, I assure you.They are convinced
that not pandering to the Hispanic community enough is the reason they lost the
last election (along with not pandering enough to racial minorities, feminnists,
LGBT groups, occupy wallstreet movement leaders, and being too closely
associated with the vile Tea Party movement).The GOP is now doing a
full court press trying to pander to all of them (just like the Democrats and
the liberal media have taught them is "Required" by America's
demographics today to win elections).I don't know if it's
truly "required", but it sure seems to help.Problem is...
the GOP will have to turn on it's base to do this. So they are kinda out
of luck whether they do it or not (and I think Democrats and the liberal media
know that).They either dump their base (and lose big). Or they
stick with their base (and still lose because they didn't pander to the
special interest groups enough).I think most in the GOP are ready to
deal and pander till the cows come home... they want to stay in office.
From the article I surmise that some in Democratic Party would prefer animosity
and rancor on this issue, rather than conciliation and compromise as it would
further their goals. So it isn't just the the other side who is
obstructionist.....hmmm.Me? I would like to see a comprehensive
immigration law that would deal with the real issue of what to do with those
already here. There should be a path to legality, after a penalty sufficient to
deter others from illegal entry. This will take some hard thinking and some
real statesmanship (both genders included)to get this done.
“If you are against the fastest-growing voting bloc in the country, you
and your party don’t have a future,” Recently, the
Arizona Republican Party formally censured Sen. John McCain for “a liberal
voting record,” according to Politico's Burgess Everett. The
resolution that the state party adopted cited his critical viewpoints against
conservatives in the Republican Party and his willingness to work closely with
Democrats on issues like immigration reform.“In adopting the
censure, state GOP leaders affirmed that until McCain champions the party
platform they will ‘no longer support, campaign for or endorse John McCain
as our U.S. senator,’ ” Everett wrote.======== This is hilarious!John McCain was censured by his own Party in his
own State.I had to look it up, it happened last Saturday.Why
isn't that making National headline news?The GOP just keeps
spinning further and further our of control...