BYU basketball: Slumping Cougars enter 2nd half of WCC play eager to return home

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  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 28, 2014 7:43 p.m.

    The rest of the season doesn't look too good. We're 5-4 in conference play and I think we finish the 2nd half 5-4 as well to go 10-8 in the WCC and 18-13 overall. I highly doubt we will reach 20 wins this season based on our success in the WCC tourney (1 win in 2 seasons). I don't expect a big run in the NIT this year either. We very likely could go one and done in both the WCC tourney and the NIT to finish the year 18-15 and barely over .500

    The worst thing is to see the total lapses and inconsistency on defense from one game to the next. Pangos was just wide open in the 2nd half with no defender in sight and plenty of time to shoot. How do we not know he's their main 3 pt threat?!

  • wallyball SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 28, 2014 1:55 p.m.

    I have had friends with lot's of playing experience and basketball knowledge try to convince me that BYU's defensive problems are more related to execution and the scheme than actual players ability. As I have watched the defense more intently I'm starting to believe what they say. I'm not quite sure what the percentages are but either the scheme is bad or the players are just too undisciplined to do what they are taught. It's hard for me to believe that some of the lower tier WCC teams have better athletes than the Y.

  • EastCoastView Spartanburg, SC
    Jan. 27, 2014 1:24 p.m.

    Sorry, tabs didn't work

    Season Player Shots/Game Field goal percent
    13 CARLINO, Matt 13.2 .386
    05 BROADUS, Rashaun 8.0 .393
    07 TAVERNARI, Jonathan 12.0 .395
    04 BALDERSON, Jimmy 5.4 .397
    04 HALL, Mike 12.0 .400
    11 CARLINO, Matt 11.0 .401
    07 FREDETTE, Jimmer 5.8 .407
    12 CARLINO, Matt 10.5 .408
    09 TAVERNARI, Jonathan 8.8 .415
    10 ABOUO, Charles 5.7 .415

    Season Player Shots/Game Field goal percent
    08 MILES, Chris 5.0 .570
    07 CUMMARD, Lee 9.9 .569
    11 HARTSOCK, Noah 11.2 .565
    06 CUMMARD, Lee 6.1 .553
    04 JENSEN, Jared 5.5 .550
    06 PLAISTED, Trent 9.0 .546
    06 YOUNG, Keena 12.8 .543
    07 PLAISTED, Trent 10.7 .542
    13 MIKA, Eric 9.2 .541
    10 DAVIES, Brandon 7.6 .525

    Season Player Points/total shots
    13 CARLINO, Matt 0.88
    05 BROADUS, Rashaun 0.94
    10 ABOUO, Charles 0.94
    04 HALL, Mike 0.95
    11 CARLINO, Matt 0.95
    12 CARLINO, Matt 0.97

    Season Player Points/total shots
    07 CUMMARD, Lee 1.31
    06 CUMMARD, Lee 1.30
    09 EMERY, Jackson 1.26
    06 AINGE, Austin 1.22
    08 EMERY, Jackson 1.19
    13 HALFORD, Skyler 1.17

  • EastCoastView Spartanburg, SC
    Jan. 27, 2014 12:29 p.m.

    Part 2

    A lower % shooting 3s may be better than a high % of 2s, but in Carlino’s case it is doesn’t work:

    So far Carlino is 32-101 for 3s (96 total points) and 80-189 for 2s (160 points) for 256 total points. Mika get 314 points taking Carlino's 290 shots at .541 %.

    Looking at the same set of players (at least 5 shots per game) and take out the point difference due to the 2 and 3 point shot by looking at points per shot (summing the points and dividing that by the total number of shots):

    Six lowest:
    SeasonPlayerPoints/total shots
    13CARLINO, Matt0.88
    05BROADUS, Rashaun0.94
    10ABOUO, Charles0.94
    04HALL, Mike0.95
    11CARLINO, Matt0.95
    12CARLINO, Matt0.97

    Six Best:
    SeasonPlayerPoints/total shots

    Numbers for this year:
    CARLINO-0.88, HAWS-1.01, COLLINSWORTH-1.03, MIKA-1.08, HALFORD-1.17

    So should Halford and Mika take most of Carlino’s shots?

  • EastCoastView Spartanburg, SC
    Jan. 27, 2014 12:25 p.m.

    Part 1

    Statistics reveal that as of today, of the regular players, Carlino is having the worst shooting season in the last 10 years.
    I define a regular shooting player as one who averages at least five field goal attempts per game. Each year (over the last 10 years) there are 4-6 players on the team that fall into that category.

    Here are the 8 lowest shooting percents:

    SeasonPlayerShots/GameField goal percent
    13CARLINO, Matt13.2.386
    05BROADUS, Rashaun8.0.393
    07TAVERNARI, Jonathan12.0.395
    04BALDERSON, Jimmy5.4.397
    04HALL, Mike12.0.400
    11CARLINO, Matt11.0.401
    07FREDETTE, Jimmer5.8.407
    12CARLINO, Matt10.5.408

    Here are the 9 best:
    SeasonPlayerShots/GameField goal percent
    08MILES, Chris5.0.570
    07CUMMARD, Lee9.9.569
    11HARTSOCK, Noah11.2.565
    06CUMMARD, Lee6.1.553
    04JENSEN, Jared5.5.550
    06PLAISTED, Trent9.0.546
    06YOUNG, Keena12.8.543
    07PLAISTED, Trent10.7.542
    13MIKA, Eric9.2.541

    Looks like we would have a better chance letting Mika have most of Carlino’s shots.

  • babyR Salt Lake, UT
    Jan. 27, 2014 10:35 a.m.

    1. Teach the team how to guard against the 3-point shooters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    2. Pull out the players who miss their assignment on the 3-point shooters.
    3. COACH the team members on how to guard the 3-point shooters
    4. Coach the team on how to set up our 3-point shooter against the defense.
    5. Have each player (except Haws and maybe Carlino) shoot 1000 free throws each practice!
    6. Coach the team on how to play both halves of the game.
    And finally, yes, the Cougars have the quality of players, coaching, and skills to beat the best teams---can't judge the DESIRE, just the outcomes.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 27, 2014 9:22 a.m.

    Nice to see a sports writer use Gonzaga's real mascot name, Bulldogs, instead of calling them the Zags.

  • LoveTheKittens Central, UT
    Jan. 27, 2014 8:52 a.m.

    @There You Go Again

    Yes, easily.

  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    Jan. 27, 2014 8:32 a.m.

    I predicted Gonzaga would beat byu 83-68. It was obvious byu was never going to win that game. Gonzaga is better across the board and byu doesn't have the quality of athletes, coaching, or desire to play Defense to win the game.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Jan. 27, 2014 8:32 a.m.

    BYU should easily win 5 of the 6 remaining home games.

    Road game wins will depend upon which BYU team shows up.

    Worst case 5 and 4 (18 and 13 overall).

    Best case 8 and 1 (21 and 10 overall)...

    Maybe 9 and 0 (22 and 9 overall) with a win over Gonzaga.

    With the tournament being on the road it will again depend upon which BYU team shows up.

  • Weber State Graduate Clearfield, UT
    Jan. 27, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    My high school basketball coach would make poor free throw shooters like Collinsworth shoot 1,000 free throws every practice until he "got it right." Anyone remember the Florida game a few years ago? There is simply no excuse for poor free throw shooting at the college level.

  • JDS1 St George, UT
    Jan. 27, 2014 7:14 a.m.

    Until the Cougars learn to play some defense, it doesn't matter where they play. Also, if Collinsworth could learn to make a free throw, the Cougs would have beaten Portland easily, despite their hot shooting. I, too, would like to see Winder and Bartley with more minutes.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Jan. 27, 2014 7:08 a.m.

    There are no probable invites of any kind for Utah schools to post season play at this point. Their only hope now is to aim at winning their respective conferences championships, a tall order but not at all impossible. Miracles still happens and in college basketball, you can never say never! If they make it, it's then that we find out how good they really are against the best from the other conferences in the country.

    Go Cougars! Go Utes! Go Aggies!

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 26, 2014 11:42 p.m.

    "Skyler Halford and Matt Carlino combined to go 2 of 13 from the floor and score four points against the Bulldogs."

    Why these two guys play over Winder and Bartley baffles me.

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    Jan. 26, 2014 10:15 p.m.

    They did pretty well contesting the 3 with portland but they were shooting very well. However with Gonzaga they they let Pango have uncontested shots because they were helping some where else. When you have a shooter that is hot you don't leave him.You didn't see Gonzaga leaving Haws to help out somewhere else. He had to work very hard for all his shots, Whereas Pango got some easy looks and drained them.

  • Old Navy Provo, UT
    Jan. 26, 2014 9:49 p.m.

    Things can only get better for BYU. Losing to Portland was an all-time low!

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Jan. 26, 2014 6:26 p.m.

    The second half of the WCC season should go better than the first but that damage is probably already done. Hopefully the cougs can gain some momentum going into the WCC tourney, miraculously take the tournament and get an 11 seed. Not likely but still possible. Weird how out of the four best basketball teams in the state (BYU, USU, Utah, UVU), the one in a top conference is the least likely to go dancing. I guess that's the fun of having 330+ division I teams.