Letter: Independents unwanted

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  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Jan. 26, 2014 9:51 p.m.

    R. Mortensen,

    Thanks for clarifying that. We should not be surprised that a democrat is masquerading as an independent. They do it a lot in Utah.

  • Ronald Mortensen Bountiful, Utah
    Jan. 25, 2014 4:59 p.m.

    If Mr. England is an independent voter (neither I nor any other independent voter has any say whatsoever in their caucus elections) he must have changed his party affiliation since his voter registration records, along with those of 1.5 million other Utahns, were posted to the internet. According to the internet site utvoters, which has a list of all registered Utah voters and their party affiliations, Mr. Richard Breck England, Bountiful, Utah was registered as a Democrat as of June 19, 2013.

    In addition, Mr. England was the Democrat candidate for the state Senate in District 23 in 2012. (His campaign website is still up and available for view).

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 24, 2014 9:27 p.m.

    You haven't read Count My Vote. See lines 305 to 308. If you can't vote in a GOP primary now, you won't be able to vote in it Under Count My Vote, it will just cost all of us more money.

  • rbwinn Maricopa, AZ
    Jan. 24, 2014 6:45 p.m.

    The Republican Party went defunct in the election of 2012. Like the Federalist Party, which went defunct in the election of 1800, Republicans will pretend they are still there for some time, but the Democrats will discover trying to prop up Republicans with political figures like Chris Christie to pretend there is still a two-party system will only result in further disappearance of the Republican Party. We are back to one party control of the kind that controlled the United States from 1800 until 1828. The problem Democrats have in that configuration is that they are a small minority of Americans. By the end of this year, independent voters will outnumber all party members in the United States.
    Independent voters need to be honest with themselves. Party primaries pertain to political parties and their attempt to perpetuate themselves as national parties, something similar to national parties like the Nazis, Fascists, Communists, etc. in European government. If independent voters cannot regain what they once had, direct access to the general election ballot, these corrupt little self-created societies will continue to control the American government.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    Jan. 24, 2014 1:49 p.m.

    Well, lets look at a recent election and see if you therory holds true. Look at the last race for Attorney General. You had John Swallow, whom we already had information about indicating he was, at best, a very shady character, and at worst a criminal(thanks to the City Weekly). On the other hand you had Dee Smith, a former seminary teacher, 2011 county attorney of the year according to law enforcement, and not a shady guy. Swallow KILLED him, garnering 64% of the vote. The only place with political balance in this state is Salt Lake County, 27 of the other counties will vote republican no matter what the republican candidate does, and 1 of the counties(summit) will always vote democrat. Just look at all of Utah's elections, you could be Jesus or Mother Theresa but if you have that D next to your name it's the kiss of death in Utah politics. Regardless of your qualifications.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 24, 2014 11:55 a.m.

    Really? Republicans are in the minority in Utah?

    Republicans may be a minority, but "Conservatives" most definitely are not in the minority.

    Many Independents also agree with Republicans on many things. So they end up voting Republican a lot of the time as well. That's probably why the Utah legislature is so full of Republicans.


    Remember... we don't get to vote for every person in the Utah Legislature, just the ones that represent our area. So you have to take local demographics into account. How many Utah communities are Democrat strongholds? Not many.

    Republicans may be a minority in a few districts, but when combined with Independents and general "Conservatives"... they are the majority in many districts. So naturally Utah has more Republicans elected to the Legislature.

    It's not a conspiracy... it's just demographics.

    Like it or not... many Utah communities are still very VERY Conservative.

    Independents ARE wanted, they are NEEDED by Republicans.

    Democrats like Jim Matheson understood that, and appealed to Independents (not just Democrats). Democrats should learn from Jim Matheson. Don't be so hard-core on the Democrat positions that offend most Utahns, and we might elect you.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Jan. 24, 2014 11:32 a.m.

    In response to the shouters' question, I ask what the Republicans are afraid of. They are in the minority in Utah. They just act like they represent the majority. Are they afraid that allowing everyone to vote for candidates will eliminate extremists like Mike Lee?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 24, 2014 10:29 a.m.

    Just because Democrats nominate such bad people that they can't win an election in Utah... isn't a reason to let the same people (Democrats) also pick the REPUBLICAN candidates!

    Do you see my logic?

    Why would Republicans want DEMOCRATS picking their candidates? When Democrats obviously pick candidates that are out of touch with most Utahns??


    Republicans don't mind independents participating. Many registered Republicans actually consider themselves to be somewhat independent.
    But why would any Republican want Democrats picking their candidates (with the track record Democrat selected candidates are having)?

    Do you see where we're coming from?


    I don't think it's Republican's place to pick the Democrat nominees. Why do you think it's Democrat's job to pick the Republican nominees??

    I don't get it... but if you really think that makes sense... register as a Republican and vote. But don't expect Republicans to be receptive to a Democrat in their caucus meeting blathering about how bad Republicans are... or let a Democrat take over the discussion.

    Democrats would be offended if a Republican walking into their caucus meeting and tried to take over and get HIS candidates nominated.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Jan. 24, 2014 10:09 a.m.

    As the letter points out, why are our taxes being used to pay for the Republicans' "private" election? If they want to hold a election for their private club, why on earth don't they pay for it themselves?

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Jan. 24, 2014 9:41 a.m.

    Really what count my vote is about is allowing the media to choose the candidates. Their bias will be what decides for voters.

    Caucuses allow citizens to actually meet the candidates and ask the questions that are important to them. Count my vote proponents don't want voters to know who they are voting for.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    Jan. 24, 2014 8:59 a.m.

    To everyone asking why someone would want to vote in the republican primaries it's not that hard of an answer to find. If a politician in Utah is running in a race that isn't in Salt Lake or Summit county the republican primary is the election. If you live in Utah County the republican is a guaranteed win. Why wouldn't someone want to vote for the person who actually will be representing them?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 24, 2014 8:46 a.m.

    Being "independent" doesn't prevent you from participating.

    Just register and participate!

    I consider myself "Independent". But I agree with Republicans on enough things that I end up voting for them most of the time, so I just signed up and participate. You aren't signing an oath to vote Republican from then on, or to always support their agenda or their candidates.

    There are many "Independents" who register Republican.

    Just because you are a little independent... doesn't mean you can't register and participate, campaign and vote for whoever you want.

    I tend to vote for some Republicans, some Democrats, and some independents every election. Doesn't mean I can't register Republican.


    We need to quit whining "I'm an independent so I'm oppressed". You are lucky! You can do anything you want (that's what being "independent" means)! Registering Republican doesn't commit you to vote for that party or their candidate from then on. That's just silly.

    But if you hate Republicans and DISAGREE with them on everything... why would you EXPECT them to agree with you... or YOU to be able to pick their candidates for them??

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 24, 2014 8:41 a.m.

    You can always vote in the Democratic primary.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Jan. 24, 2014 7:31 a.m.

    You can always register Republican and vote Independent.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 24, 2014 7:17 a.m.

    Why would anyone claim the right to select REPUBLICAN candidates if they were not registered Republicans? Each of us is free to join any political party, or to choose not to join any political party. No one forces us to be Democrat, Republican or Independent. That is left to each of us. Those who are Independents have decided that they do not agree with the platform of either the Democrats or of the Republicans. They want something different than what is being offered. Why then should the Republicans allow them to enter their caucus and distort the platform being presented with foreign views?

    Independents have the right (and responsibility) to promote an Independent candidate whose views match their own. They have the right (and responsibility) to promote their views to the rest of us. They do not have the right to demand that we open our doors and allow them to vote on the Republican ticket until non-republicans are also on the ticket. That happens in the general election, not in the caucus and not in the primary election.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Jan. 24, 2014 6:32 a.m.

    In one state where we lived, registered independents could vote in either the republican or the democratic primary. Fears about folks crossing the line to vote against the strongest candidate in the party they did not like were unfounded. It was a great system and encouraged folks to consider the person over the party.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    Jan. 24, 2014 6:26 a.m.


    So much for being able to vote for the PERSON, and not the Party.