Hey Tyler, and others,It's not intuitive, but the Establishment
Clause of the First Amendment halts the government from entanglement with
religion. Look up cases involving the Lemon test.Of course, the IRS
requires religious corporations to refrain from some political activity, but 1)
the 1st A is supreme and 2) the rules aren't enforced very well.
@SCfan – “Have you ever considered that "secularism" and
politics don't mix.”Secularism joined with the freedom of
religion in the constitution is what makes Sharia Law illegal. It removes the
ability of a religious group to impose their rules on other people.
@SCfan – “Have you ever considered that "secularism" and
politics don't mix.”Seems to have worked pretty well for
us, given the fact that the Constitution was the world’s first wholly
secular government charter, and when contrasted with prior centuries of
non-secular governments (and modern day theocracies).But perhaps you
mean something different by “secular” than what the Founders
meant... if so, please elaborate.
The Scientist"True religion" has had truth that works for a
lot longer than latter day philosophys with their secular values. Many of
which don't work and can end up enslaving rather than providing liberty.
Communism for example. Notice I said "true" religion. I do agree with
you, (if that is your point) that a lot of religion in this world today does
cause a lot of bad things. I won't name names, but I think we both know
what I am taking about.
Ranch and Henry DrummondHave you ever considered that
"secularism" and politics don't mix. They corrupt each other?
Well, that statement carries as much weight as the one you made and Henry agreed
Religion is not officially being denied a voice in the public square. Religion
is losing influence because more and more citizens are recognizing the
irrationality and corruption of religion, and the fact that religion is
ideologically opposed to truth and liberty.Religion is marginalizing
Actually the religious and religions MUST have a voice in the public square or
the first amendment means nothing.Denying any voice is wrong. When you start picking groups and persons who can participate in the
public square where does it end? no where good.The constitution
protects and welcomes all voices in the public square.
Which group of "religiously unaffiliated voters" should we fear the
most, and why?
@RanchI believe your observation is right on the mark. It seems to be a
lesson that every generation has to learn though.
Meanwhile, here in Utah the legislature just got their marching orders on
alcohol from their masters.
Denmark (Church of Denmark), Greece (Church of Greece), Malta (Roman Catholic
Church) and England in the UK (Church of England). Until recently the Church of
Sweden was the state church of Sweden.
Religion is, sadly, allowed to be given a wide berth in electoral politics.
However, it is not owed such a berth, and the fact that people are wising up to
the problems it causes and marginalising it to it's rightful place.
“The First Amendment of the United States Constitution guarantees wide
berth for religion to play a role in politics.”I’m at a
loss trying to understand how someone reads the 1st amendment and concludes
this. It’s like their neural pathways that process logic are all wired
backwards. The only place in the Constitution where the political role of
religion is mentioned is Article VI and it simply affirms that religion has NO
political role.“Religiously unaffiliated voters are strongly
Democratic in national elections,”I suspect if the Republican
Party ever stops making religion a litmus test for political office, including
the most shameless red meat pandering by opportunistic politicians (e.g., Sarah
Palin, Rick Perry, etc.) this demographic will begin the shift. “Politicians will need to become increasingly adept at sincerely playing
to several crowds rather than their bases.”Exactly! But along
with the tail wagging the dog dynamic religion injects into politics,
gerrymandering has gone a long way to making sure politicians (running for House
seats) don’t have to do this. @VanceoneYou
forgot to mention Sweden, Denmark, Australia, Canada, Norway, Germany, New
Zealand, Japan, France, etc…
@Vanceone: Fear mongering alert! "I look forward to the great
day of Atheistic government! It worked so well for the Russians under Stalin,
the Chinese under Mao, the Cambodians under Pol Pot, the Germans under Hitler,
Italians under Mussolini, the North Koreans, the Cubans.... "What did all of those examples above lack the U.S.A. has?1. a secular
representative republic2. a well written and time tested constitution as
the basis of law3. a government that is segregated in to branches to
create a system of checks and balancesJust to name a few. We now
return you to your regularly scheduled episode of the fun filled fantasy show
"The Sky is Falling".
We should keep the dictates of corrupt religion out of politics and the public
square. We should acknowledge the unknowable, embrace uncertainty and think for
"The First Amendment of the United States Constitution guarantees wide berth
for religion to play a role in politics."______________________________The Constitution lends itself easily
to misreading into it all sorts of things that aren't there. An intended
role for religion is one of them. The fear some religious people have that they
are being disenfranchised by changing demographics misses the point of one man,
one vote. As a voting citizen, I wield no more influence than any other voter
and no less.Being a part of a voting bloc is a choice. The
Constitution is silent on the matter. What a person does with his vote is up to
him. That's my America and I wouldn't change it.
I look forward to the great day of Atheistic government! It worked so well for
the Russians under Stalin, the Chinese under Mao, the Cambodians under Pol Pot,
the Germans under Hitler, Italians under Mussolini, the North Koreans, the
Cubans.... Because it's not like these people are not
worshiping a God, they are. It's called the God of Government. Just look
at the media worshipping Obama--in many cases literally. And just look at how
tolerant and loving Democratic politicians are. Why, just this past week
Governor Cuomo of New York explicitly stated how people who disagree with him
shouldn't be considered "New Yorkers." If that's
what getting rid of Religion does, we certainly should send out the
This is great news for those that truly hold dear the ideals of this great and
secular representative republic. Soon this nation will be a nation of freedom
and equality for all.I thank the founding fathers for their great foresight and
wisdom in creating the Constitution. They saw the dangers of religion left
unchecked. It's taken several hundred years to get it correct but the
forces of freedom and equality are prevailing.
Good! It's about time.
Let us citizens who have religious faith use our influence in the public square.
Following is an example of where our influence is needed:FARMINGTON, Utah — The Alliance Defense Fund sent a letter Friday to the
Davis School District in support of its policy that requires parental consent
before children can check out a homosexual advocacy book titled “In Our
Mothers’ House” from elementary school libraries. The American Civil
Liberties Union contacted the district and demanded that it allow children to
access the book without the knowledge of their parents.“Public
schools should not surrender to ACLU intimidation when it asks them to expose
children to sexual content without parental knowledge,” said ADF Legal
Counsel Jeremy Tedesco. “Parents, not the ACLU, should decide whether
young children have access to this type of propaganda, which is obviously aimed
at re-educating children regarding the nature of the family. The law clearly
upholds the right and duty of schools to protect children and respect the role
of their parents.”Citizens of Utah, let us in a civil way take
a stand in defence of our constitutional rights to require that schools respect
the role of parents with our children in elementary schools.
The schism of the anti-Mormon segment of religious voters in this country failed
to coalesce behind Romney. Now, all religious Americans are losing more
influence. Fences need to be mended amongst them. The Protestant/Catholic
conservatives didn't rally like they did in the past, during the last 2
Religion and politics don't mix. They corrupt one another.