Letter: Conspiracy truths?

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  • homebrew South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 21, 2014 6:21 p.m.

    Some conspiracy's are real, some are made up. Look at the republican administrations under investigation, Christie, Virginias govenor,( Cant remember his name), Swallow, and shurtliff. These are real. These are republicans. Bengahzie? Made up by fox news and hateful talkshow hosts. Look at the difference. Some have actually happened!

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 20, 2014 1:24 a.m.

    Yes, please go on, because you have shown NOTHING that would indicate this President should be convicted of a crime, let alone do any time in prison, or even charged with anything. I asked you to be specific. You have not cited any statutes that he violated. Even IF the five areas you cite are exactly what you think they are ALL of them are only political matters that are basically constitutional interpretation issues, at worst these issues would be settled in court, but not as criminal matters. Anyway, they very much, in the real world, are not how you present them.

    The "scandals" as you call them have been covered ad nauseam. There is NOTHING new in any of them. Just because YOU want them to run nonstop in the news, doesn't mean the networks are remiss.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    Jan. 19, 2014 3:56 p.m.

    mark said:

    "Okay, please back that up. Tell us exactly what laws he has broken. Be specific. Give us the precise criminal offense that you believe he has committed, as well as the the specific language in the law that you believe he violated."

    1) Executive Order bypassing Congress on immigration – Article 1 Section 1, ALL Legislative power held by Congress

    2) Used Executive Privilege in regards to Fast & Furious gun running scandal. Executive privilege is not allowed when Government misconduct is the issue

    3) Drone strikes on American Citizens – 5th Amendment Due process Rights negated

    4) DOMA Law – Obama directed DOJ to ignore the Constitution and separation of powers and not enforce the law

    5) Obamacare - SCOTUS ruled this to be a tax, because Americans cannot be mandated to purchase any product. As a tax, it has to be distributed among all American citizens. Obama has, willy nilly, exempted labor unions from a tax on their health insurance.

    Shall I go on?

    Once again:

    How come the leftist media in this country couldn't find any time or interest to cover any of Obama's scandals (where people died!), but have devoted well over a week of solid coverage concerning Gov. Christies "trafficgate"?


  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 19, 2014 9:24 a.m.

    You know,
    If the tin-foiled hat patrol was at least consistent - and showed some integrity,
    [both parties are guilty, corporations are guilty, my own State is guilty, etc.]
    I might consider some of their "theories",

    but the problem is that most of them are partisan hacks,
    you use stories to score political points,
    or to smear the "other" saide, while giving free pass to the other.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 18, 2014 11:59 p.m.

    Sven, you claim President Obama should be in prison for what he has done.

    Okay, please back that up. Tell us exactly what laws he has broken. Be specific. Give us the precise criminal offense that you believe he has committed, as well as the the specific language in the law that you believe he violated.

    Because I'll tell you, not a single thing you listed has ANY criminality attached to it.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 18, 2014 1:34 p.m.

    The American delusion that is most prevalent, wide spread, unaffected by race, color or creed, and horribly disastrous to humans is simply that there can exist "good" men.

    It is foisted upon people to make them easy prey for the criminals that exist in every organization private or public.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Jan. 18, 2014 10:35 a.m.

    Somebody's tinfoil hat is shorting out.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Jan. 18, 2014 10:21 a.m.

    Badgerbadger said: "After Fast a Furious, why not deal drugs? They have already dealt guns with the cartel. This is the logical next step."

    Sorry, already been out done by the Conservative Saint Reagan.
    Iran Contra even moved things forward fast by bringing us Crack Cocaine.

    Orrin, why he said coke dealers are OK with him, as he secured a pardon for John Forté by President Bush. He had been serving a sentence of 14 years in prison since 2001, after being found guilty of possession of 31 pounds of liquid cocaine with intent to distribute.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Jan. 18, 2014 8:07 a.m.

    After Fast a Furious, why not deal drugs? They have already dealt guns with the cartel. This is the logical next step.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    Jan. 18, 2014 6:29 a.m.

    One thing about it they will never cease to amaze me.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 18, 2014 6:01 a.m.

    "it is now reported and confirmed that the DEA has been secretly dealing with Mexico’s most notorious drug cartel."

    And the source of this information.... The Sinaloa Cartel's lawyer who is trying to get one of the cartels leaders out of jail claiming he was an informant for the DEA. Surely it wouldn't even be reasonable to think the cartel and its lawyers were lying?

    But even then, yes, this is how sometimes things are done. Cartels are infiltrated. People are planted in the organization. Shipments are allowed through because the mule isn't the real person of interest, but the distributor.

    We had an entire administration funding a war in central American via drug sales and weapon sales to Iran. Are we really going to act surprised that some of this stuff - that in the business of spying and covert operations that laws are bent of now outright broken?

    All I insist is the appropriate amount of outrage exist regardless of the administration.

  • Henderson Orem, UT
    Jan. 18, 2014 5:55 a.m.

    Wait, I'm confused. Is this letter talking about conspiracies hidden by Utah's leadership (AG, governor, legislature) or DC's?

    Because I've seen a lot of questionable things recently. $13 million dollars going to losing bidders, standing ovations for men hot tubbing with girls while married, student vouchers that Howard Stephansen's lobbyist group wanted, prison relocations promoted by legislators with real estate connections, Swallow, Shurtleff, Mr Powers, Rep brad Daw being attacked by loan sharks after proposing legislation limiting their power and influence...

    Where was this letter writer then?

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    Jan. 18, 2014 1:44 a.m.

    Let's not overreact to this story. The facts aren't in yet. And it's not unusual for law enforcement to make deals with criminals, in the hope of catching bigger, more dangerous criminals. But yes, the earliest details on this particular case are certainly troubling, and a thorough investigation is needed.