5 dead after officer kills family in Spanish Fork

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  • John Jackson Sandy, UT
    Jan. 18, 2014 11:20 p.m.

    In some ways, perhaps, law enforcement officers are at-risk members of our society. No, I am not referring to their putting their lives on the line, though it is true they are at risk in that manner, also. I mean, they are at risk to misuse guns. The gun is part of their lives, more than it is for most of us. They live with a tool that was engineered to bring about death. That is its purpose. Should ever they have a thought toward death, it is there waiting for them. Since it is so much a part of their lives, the shadow of its purpose is forever with them. An inanimate object is not literally capable of tapping someone on the shoulder, saying, "Use me," but that is the essence of the effect a gun sometimes has on those who make it so much a part of their lives.

  • Candidate Jackson Sandy, UT
    Jan. 18, 2014 10:38 p.m.

    Thanks to to Deseret News for quoting the good that was said about this family, including the much good that was said about the father, who was the probable shooter. Yes, what was done was heinous, but Joshua Boren seems to have had much good about him -- much. The DN story helps me have some favorable thoughts about him. I do not think that wrong. If there was much good about him, I want to know about it. So, I thank the Deseret News for including those quotes. I guess one of the reasons for this comment, is that a week ago I was thinking that one of the forms of love is to look for the good in all people, and to look for the reason when they make a mistake. Yes, what was done was horrible, but I do not think it wrong to have some warm feelings towards Joshua Boren.

  • Lasvegaspam Henderson, NV
    Jan. 18, 2014 5:14 p.m.

    To those of you who say we don't need to know the details, you are wrong. Knowing details helps every single reader become alerted when we see similar behavior in our own loved ones. Knowledge is power.

  • LadyMoon Crestucky, FL
    Jan. 18, 2014 4:49 p.m.

    I did not see any church support in the article, which is often an important aspect of family life. Perhaps with that this ultimate selfishness may not have manifested itself.

  • John Jackson Sandy, UT
    Jan. 18, 2014 2:57 p.m.

    Bless the extended families, and may the memories of this family be good ones. They do seem to deserve good memories. Bless them. I note some comments suggest the DN leave well enough alone, and not write about this. This cannot be. A terrible tragedy has taken place. It is not only news, but society's bueiness. We should be concerned, and that includes wanting to know what happened.

  • John Jackson Sandy, UT
    Jan. 18, 2014 2:46 p.m.

    I had just commented on Facebook about how guns can bring good people to do bad things when I opened the online DesNews to see this story, a perfect example of what I had just written. A shortened version of what I wrote on Facebook:
    Guns do have a good side, but it seems we should recognize they have an inherently evil influence on society, as well. What else would we expect? The were created as an instrument of death, and usually it cannot be said they have achieved their purpose until someone is lying in a pool of blood. They are a bad influence on many a good person.
    Case in point: Curtis Reeves. It is said that if we outlawed guns, only the bad guys would have guns. But, Reeves brings up another thought, as he is an example that "good guys" can become bad when they have guns. Reeves was a former police officer, and former head of security, yet he took the gun with him into a movie theater and ended up shooting someone who was texting. Yes, I think the gun was a bad influence on him.

  • Dante Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 18, 2014 12:07 p.m.

    When a parent's life is submerged in suicidal depression, the entire world seems hopelessly cruel. Death seems an inviting escape. No surprise that a parent so depressed would choose to take his or her children out of this world than to leave them here to suffer the perceived shame and loss of a parent who committed suicide when he/she could no longer face the next obstacle.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 18, 2014 9:37 a.m.

    " Police many of who are war veterans do not succumb to suicide, they have faced fear and death beyond the scope of understanding yet a petty domestic problem can make them crazy? "

    @My2Cents…. I kind of find your comments rather inappropriate. Two reasons. 1) living in a state that has has contributed a large amount to the wars in the middle east, we see a lot of men and women coming home with issues from these events. Suicide across these groups is on the rise, and it is a real problem.

    Secondly, the military has nothing to do with this incident. This was a family going through struggles, where for what ever reason one of them felt things were beyond control. I have know of several people I had personal relationships that have taken this unfortunate option.. and in each case what drove them to it were completely different.

    It is deeply saddening to see someone to get to the point of taking not only their own lives, both those of innocents. We all wonder what would make an otherwise good person to the most horrible of decisions….

  • grinchpiggy Provo, UT
    Jan. 18, 2014 8:27 a.m.


    I will miss you and the kids. You were a great person to chat and work with.

  • kevmc01 england, 00
    Jan. 18, 2014 4:49 a.m.

    i would like to say thank you to everyone in the states for all there kind words and thoughts on this very sad day, we have lost 4 members of our family to which we all loved , we has a family in england would like to point out that we dont have any ill feelings towards josh,s family , they are going though just the same as we are here in england

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 18, 2014 4:21 a.m.

    My suspicions are being aroused now with so many officers accused of taking their own lives in the last year that its not beyond the realm of possibilities these families and officers are victims of an organized hit squad to assassinate these officers and their families and make it look like a suicide. Especially where there has been no previous indications of stress and mental probablities they were a threat to their families.

    There is a government plan in progress to convert our country to communism and an officer who has conflicts of duty to freedom and peace is a threat to a totalitarian government on the rise. Hitler had the same notion with his brown shirts and eventually had them killed and arrested as a threat to his regime, its not beyond the realm of current governemnt to employ this same terrorism on local law enforcment.

    Too many officer being killed for the same reason is becoming a real concern. Police many of who are war veterans do not succumb to suicide, they have faced fear and death beyond the scope of understanding yet a petty domestic problem can make them crazy? That is whats crazy to believe.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Jan. 18, 2014 3:43 a.m.

    The best thing that could come out of a tragedy like this is for POST to pass a rule that each and every police officer from the top on down, be required at least twice a year to undergo a psych evaluation and counseling, including marriage counseling. The same for his/her family.

    There should be support groups for the wives/husbands of officers. Will this cost money? Absolutely. And it would be money well spent. Penny pinching cities/counties/state should consider something like this as part of the benefit package, or they should pay for it outright.

    For the sake of the officer, this counseling should be private, only shared with the department when it is apparent that there is some type of problem that could affect the job or family.

    No one in the outside world understands what a cop goes through on a day to day basis. The job is hard on families and marriages.

    I got out of police work to save my marriage. That was more important than the job. I've now been married for 29 years. Had I stayed a cop, I'd be one of the divorce statistics.

  • K Mchenry, IL
    Jan. 17, 2014 10:34 p.m.

    The family also lost the father. They are in pain as well. Don't they have permission to grieve for him too?

    Anyone is capable of pretty much anything.

  • InLifeHappiness Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 8:55 p.m.

    Very sad - my heart goes out to the family, extended family and friends ....

  • Wow, that was awful Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 6:12 p.m.

    This makes my heart hurt! Those beautiful kids gone!
    Prayers and condolences to the families and friends and those in the neighborhood and school classes.
    May they be comforted somehow in this tragic time.

  • runnerguy50 Virginia Beach, Va
    Jan. 17, 2014 5:54 p.m.

    I came to DN to read the Sports page... I have no interest now and my heart breaks. Why ?

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 5:55 p.m.

    Tragedy for sure. These kinds of incidents are just the tip of family tragedy icebergs. Family troubles are common; often serious. Counseling needs to be available; but, it is recognized that some people are afraid to get it; There is probably so much need, that not all who need it can receive counseling. Government resources are limited. Church ministers are often swamped. Service missionaries are possibility that should be considered. Classes in family/marriage relations need to be increased.

  • AZ Blue & Red Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 17, 2014 5:29 p.m.

    Leave the details to the families. None of our business. Would you want all your personal dirty laundry in the paper. (We all have some) Just because he killed them does not give us the right to know all. We know there was a tragedy so let's leave it at that. I have all the details I need.

  • BYU Track Star Los Angeles, CA
    Jan. 17, 2014 5:09 p.m.

    The Provo Daily Herald reports "Boren and his wife had been separated for a couple months but that the separation appeared to be a happy one. He said the family continued to get together for things like family pictures and had recently taken a family vacation to Disneyland over Christmas."

    Come on DN. We readers want your A-game in breaking news.

  • BYU Track Star Los Angeles, CA
    Jan. 17, 2014 4:25 p.m.

    I respectfully disagree with you BYUalum. This tragic event qualifies as news just like the Martin Handcart company mishap qualified and still qualifies as News. In Shakespeare's play Othello, Did we not learn not to trust libelous information about a wife's character from one's so-called friend Iago? Prehaps there is a lesson to be learned from this event and this fellowship of readers will be edified. Hopefully the lesson will be revealed sometime in the near future and not lost by self-censorship.

  • Sports Nutz Smithfield, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 3:43 p.m.

    This case included, there have been 6 innocent children killed by one of their own parents this week in the United States, 4 in Utah. There is no excuse that warrants a reason to kill your own kids. It's really very sad. God Bless the families involved.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 3:03 p.m.

    My opinion: We do not need to know every detail. Often people, who are right on the edge, are spurred on and falsely motivated by stories like this. Point in case, we just had a domestic murder/suicide a few days ago. Let the families heal without sensationalizing this tragic event. No more stories on this, DN,

  • truth in all its forms henderson, NV
    Jan. 17, 2014 2:09 p.m.

    Its time that Utah starts investing more in mental health counseling. Its clear that the man was struggling and he could have used a helping hand to show him that he didn't have to feel the pain that he felt. Its sad that he couldn't get help when he needed it most.

  • Grandma 20 Allen, TX
    Jan. 17, 2014 1:41 p.m.

    My deepest condolences to the family, neighbors, friends and acquaintances. This is a terrible tragedy in any case. Let us not rush to judgment. Leave it to the investigators and to our Creator who knows and sees all things.

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Jan. 17, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    Deepest condolences.

    There are absolutely no explanations that can justify/explain murder-suicide of innocent people.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 1:04 p.m.

    Terribly depressing. We have no right to know what happened. Hope the press leaves the families alone. Good thoughts your way.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 17, 2014 12:29 p.m.

    An absolute tragedy.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 12:16 p.m.

    Terrible story. This is the kind of story that would get national attention in the media. By the way, this paper was incredible slow in covering it. Scooped by the other paper.

  • southmtnman Provo, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 12:01 p.m.

    So many people are suffering, and their relationships with spouses and coworkers seem to be where the pain takes its toll (and often these relationships seem to be the source of the suffering).

    It is so sad. There is so much beauty and joy to be had if we can figure out how to stop hurting one another!

    My heart aches for the family and friends of this deceased family.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    Jan. 17, 2014 11:53 a.m.

    Whenever one of these tragedies occurs I recall the circumstances of an LDS bishop whose son fell apart and killed his mom and a house guest. They son, who had been much distressed, had gone to a mental health facility and pleaded for help. He was given a prescription and told they didn't have a place for him at that time. Within two days he committed the murders. The bottom line is that we need far more help for our mentally distressed community members, nearly everywhere. If we had a greater safety net for families in distress, we would at least prevent some of these horror stories from happening. Two sad stories a few hours apart in DN is just too sad.

  • washcomom Beaverton, OR
    Jan. 17, 2014 11:44 a.m.

    Time will tell what the little facts are. Right now, we know the big facts - that a police officer, one who is sworn to serve and protect the community, has taken his family's life as well as his own.

    My heart goes out to their extended family and friends. Right now, they need the support and strength of the community as they deal with this grief.

  • MR Draper, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 11:24 a.m.

    So sad. Such a tragedy. What a cute mom and kids. Heart is broken.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Jan. 17, 2014 11:15 a.m.

    Why do you do such a senseless act at all...?...Beyond sad...

  • Kouger Lehi, UT
    Jan. 17, 2014 9:48 a.m.

    ...oh why why do it to the little innocent children? Why?