Whitt is definitely betting his job on Wyoming's leftovers. I
think the Utes will have another losing season with that bear of a schedule, but
the hard reset that will (likely) follow will benefit the program in the long
run. Whitt hit his ceiling a long time ago.
@StGtoSLCI don't think whit will have to worry about letting AR
go at the end of the year. The whole staff will be looking for work.
I just don't understand why they don't bring Wyoming into the big bad
pac12 as an entire unit instead of doing it a little here and a little there and
through another team (and a bottom dweller team at that)... Maybe there are some
other coaches from the bottom half of the MWC that would also like to have an
opportunity to make a few trips to the west coast next year... Have y'all
checked out the staff at UNM? Or maybe Hawaii?... Oh wait, y'all had
someone from there before didn't you?...If recruited coaches
had Rival Rating stars, what do you think that the two WYO pick ups would be?
Bet you Sarkesian is kicking himself over not getting those guys first... lol.
JarkI guess the civil and mature portion was too much.
jarka-rus Layton, UtahOk fine, I guess he's an
outstanding coach against teams like BYU, Idaho, New Mexico, N Colorado, Air
Force, and Hawaii whoa my bad, is that better?Fixed it for you.
PocyuteOk fine, I guess he's an outstanding coach against teams like
Idaho, New Mexico, N Colorado, Air Force, and Hawaii whoa my bad, is that
Re: Coug Fan in TX "I don't understand how any coach thinks their
offense will improve changing out OC every year".Didn't BYU
send Anae packing; hire Doman for one or two years; fire him and then hire Anae
again? Many of the Utah changes were due to the offensive coordinators leaving
to become head coaches. I don't believe that was part of the plan to
improve the offense and I don't think that you do either. Where did Doman
leave to become head coach?
I don't understand how any coach thinks their offense will improve changing
out OC every year. Norm Chow was going to be the next big thing. Then Brian
Johnson was young but would take U to the promised land. And how could U go
wrong with Ericksen with his experience and NC belt?The truth is,
the players need continuity. It's impossible to master complex schemes,
plays and strategies to compete in a conference like the PAC in one year. I
think the Utes would have had a more potent offense in 2014 if U would have
stuck with Johnson for three years instead of playing musical chairs.And it's pretty obvious that Whit would have gotten rid of Ericksen all
together if U could have afforded to buy out his contract.I do think
Whit's a good coach, but I wouldn't be surprised to see 2014 as his
last with the Utes. Which could open the door for him to come home to BYU in
pocyUte: "I think the worse thing a HC can do is ham string his coordinators
by not letting them put coaches in place that they are comfortable with."I agree 100%! Running with that, if the WRs don't show big
improvement this year, I hope Whit lets A Rod walk for good, whether he has BYU
to run to or not, and lets Christensen bring in someone from his own network, as
he did letting Finn go and bringing Harding in.
CougorUteWhile I agree that the results are Wyoming are less than
stellar, nobody has succeeded at Wyoming.DC's results at Mizzou
were quite impressive. Which one will win out, who knows? While I
don't think this is a make or break year for Whit (I think that is next
year if the Utes miss a bowl again this year), he is definitely basing his
future on DC running the offense. I think the worse thing a HC can do is ham
string his coordinators by not letting them put coaches in place that they are
comfortable with. One thing Harding knows is DC's offense and how he wants
the O-line to perform. And that is why I think this hire makes sense. Whether
or not the O-line makes the improvements it needs to will depend on a
combination of the talent and the coaching.
JarkIf you want to say that the BS and USU d lines were better than
the Wyoming O-line that's fine. But its a huge jump citing 2 games out of
50 saying that the guy can't coach.Now, if you would like to
have a civil, mature discussion, I'm happy to oblige. But if all you want
do is come on here to stir the pot and get in cyber arguments, then please
don't. It doesn't add anything to board.
@pocyUte...Your right I did base it on the two games which I watched Wyoming
play. I agree that this is not a complete indicator of the coaches ability.
However, based on those 2 games I would have to say he better be better than he
showed. Particularly if Utah hopes to move up in the PAC 10+2. No one is
knocking the Utes schedule....it is a bear. But this Wyoming pipeline is a
interesting twist for a coach that is hoping for a better season. These two
hires did not show PAC10+2 ability on the field with the results of their season
last year. As the PAC10+2 is supposed to be a top tier conference, I would have
thought the Utes would have went another direction....or not.
It's shocking there's been no mention of how off-the-chart successful
Coach DC's performance was for years and years in the same, identical
capacity while at Toledo/MIZZOU before going to Wyoming....Furthermore,
he's coached the O-Line, himself, for the vast majority of his coaching
career, dating all of the way back to the early '80s, in addition to
playing on the OL for UW during his playing days....Not to mention, Wyoming
played much of last season w/4 B.U. O-Linemen.Make no mistake about,
our O-Line will succeed/not succeed entirely 100% on Coach DC, NOT on Coach
JH....Coach DC's been hired to be our OC, NOT our HC!
@pocyUteHaven't we heard all year about just 2 of the games that
mattered to the Utes this season? Based on 4 in a row blah blah blah, and
Stanford blah blah blah we're better. Yet the Utes had the exact same
record as last year and didn't go to a bowl game again! but somehow this
year they are better? and are poised again to make a run at the Rose bowl and
compete against anyone. So what's wrong with basing this new coaches skills
on 2 games?
Great to see the mighty Pac tap into that powerhouse Wyoming pipeline LOL
Cougorutebased on 2 games. Really?!!!Thats just silly.
I actually had good data to refute your statements, but then I just
realized you were here to troll. Please go troll somewhere else. If you would
like to add to the discussion, then by all means please post, but otherwise,
Maybe Kyle Whit really trying to get fired, hmmm!
Many commenters are correct in saying "No one knows for sure". But based
on Wyoming's offensive line performance against USU and Boise State, I
would say that there are indicators that this is a grasping for straws hire,
much like the new OC. With the new OC and the other hires next year will be an
interesting year for Coach Whittingham. It will be a miracle if he makes it
through Christmas. Performing at their current level the Utes will be lucky to
go 2-10, and 1-11 is a real possibility. They have a bear of a schedule, these
coaches better bring something to the table to help them out, but as was said
before, "No one knows for sure".
None of us know if this will work out for the better or not, only time will
tell. I'm just glad to see Utah address in my opinion their biggest
weakness on the offensive side of the ball, the O-Line. Now I know a coach
can't play the games, and this won't be a magic fix all, but its a
start. after the 2010 season Utah has had an average at best O-Line who in my
opinion played well below the level they were capable of as well. The results
were injured QBs, an inconsistent running game and an overall low out put on
offense. Maybe Harding will infuse a bit of nastiness an decent O-Line should
play with and recruit solid talent as well. Remember I said nasty as in mean,
physical and all out, but within the rules, not dirty. In Utah's two
undefeated seasons the 0-Lines played this way. Hopefully they get back to that
style of play under Coach Harding.
Qwest Perfected said it best. (4:30 p.m. Jan. 14, 2014)And you know
what, even Duckhunter's comment was pretty spot on - I know, crazy huh? But
lets give credit where credit is due.Bottom line, this hire
isn't necessarily a bad hire, but we certainly can't say Jim Harding
has proven he's a good O-line coach ... just not enough to go on.All we Ute fans can do is hope it provides Dave Christensen with some
continuity in regard to what he wants to accomplish on offense and communicate
to players.Ready or not, this team needs to see more wins next year
and will likely have to do it against the number one rated schedule in the
country. Otherwise Whitt and our collection of offensive coordinators will
probably be sent packing.It should be a talented team, so I'll
certainly keep hope alive. Go Utes!
All these new coaches do realize it's a one year hitch right? Or did Whitt
include in their contract that he'd take them with him next year when he
becomes the defensive line coach at Washington State?
2020,Gary hasnt done too bad at LSU either.
I can give everybody an example of a PAC 12 team taking a head coach from a bad
MWC team to be their OC, and having a 10 win season. Oregon hired Gary Crowton.
@Qwest PerfectedAs far as this hire goes, who knows if the guy is
any better or not but any Utah fan who is happy about taking coaches from
Wyoming need to think twice. The only thing good to come out of Wyoming is
I-80.----------What about Dick Cheney! Oh wait, you
said "good". My bad!
Personally, I think Harding has more credentials than Garett Tujague brought to
BYU last year. But I guess, according to BYU fans, being a head
coach at College of the Canyons for 5 years prepares you better for being an OL
Coach than being an OL Coach at Wyoming for 5 years?How was
BYU's OL this year anyway? From what I've been reading, all Hill
needs is an OL that can protect the pocket in order for him to become the next
From "My Perspective", you didn't explain why Utah would look
backwards to a struggling and perennial bottom team from the MWC as a good place
to find coaches to be successful in the PAC and help Utah climb up in their NEW
conference. Are Ute fans still learning that one or two decent wins does not a
Coach harding will fit right in with the utes' coaching staff. He's
been a 'co-something' coach virtually his whole career. Practically
the whole ute offensive staff has been in that same position at utah. On the plus side, if DC goes down with an injury, kyle can always sub-in DE,
BJ, or AR. The utes have stockpiled lots of depth at the OC position.
Its all about the money. Utah does not have the money to attract coaching talent
on the rise.The athletic department budgets at private schools USC
and Stanford are triple Utah's. Oregon (also known as NIKE U) has an
athletic department budget that dwarfs USC and Stanford. These three schools
have won a share of or the outright conference championship in 18 of the last 20
years.Utah and its alumni base need to dig allot deeper into their
pockets to find lasting success in the PAC. Buying PAC stickers is not going to
get it done Utes.
The hire is simple: Hail Mary. Who knows if it will work -- it might -- but
it's about the last play Kyle has. He knows if the Mary offense
doesn't work and the Utes are again bowless, he'll be looking for
work. I still wonder if Dennis Erickson has any self-esteem left.
This hire cant be any good because he coached at Wyoming.That's
what I call advanced analysis (eye roll). Yet that's the only thing the
haters can say. Either this is a good hire or a bad one, but none of us will
know that for a long time, even duck knows that much.
Some of the commentators here and in the past point to desperation. I think to
some degree that is fair. Utah fans expect success in the Pac-12. Utah's
program expects success in the Pac-12. If not they would have stayed pat and
went bowling every year with at least 9 wins against easier opponents. Time to
step up. As mentioned earlier, Arizona had to do it. By the way, I think they
will step up. Go Utes.
In my opinion, these last recent coaching moves by Kyle wreak of desperation. I
like Whitingham but I think his biggest problem is that he is way too loyal to
his friends which all become his assistant coaches. I'm happy
he got rid of Finn. The O-line has under performed for the last few years now
and I think that has to do with coaching. As far as this hire goes, who knows
if the guy is any better or not but any Utah fan who is happy about taking
coaches from Wyoming need to think twice. The only thing good to come out of
Wyoming is I-80.I figure this experiment will either work or it will
perhaps be the end of Kyle's career at Utah. I hope it works but I think
it will be a tough task. The Utes schedule will probably be even harder next
year than it was this last year. One less home game and you swap Michigan on
the road for byu.Time will tell.Go Utes!
Duckfirst of all, let's lay off the name calling. It's
Myperspective, not noperspective. Seriously, this isn't Jr. High.2nd, you're correct in terms of credentials. He doesn't have a lot
that jumps off the page, but he probably has the 2 things that matter most, an
understanding of DC's offense, and his trust.There have been a
lot of coaches who have come out of nowhere to knock it out of the park. Urban
and Chip Kelly come to mind first for me. Coach Tuiaki (Utah's D-line
coach) was home run in his first year coaching D-line ever and only his 4th year
coaching at all. He replaced coach a much more experienced Coach Chad, and got
a lot more out the D-line. There have been others who have looked too raw when
they got the call, I think BJ falls into that category. Ultimately
time will tell. If he can get the O-line to do what DC wants, then thats all
that matters. go Utes!!
You are correct, Duck, I missed the modifier "graduate" assistant at
Missouri in the write up. Harding must be very young. The question
remains...is he "the best" person to shore up the offensive line at
Utah, open holes for the run game, and most important...protect the quarterback?
As you say, Duck, we'll find out soon enough but it's becoming
increasing clear that both Christensen and Whittingham are betting their careers
at Utah on the decision.As for the rest of your comment, I have to
tell you Duck...I don't think it was necessary. But hey...it's a
reflection of who you are.
@noperspectiveI actually agree with you and pocy on a couple of
those points, in fact I made them a couple of days ago. No one knows if this guy
will be any good or not, everyone starts someplace and very few start out at the
top, they start low and work their way up.But I absolutely disagree
with this comment, "Harding has impressive credentials"No he doesn't. He was a grad assistant at a middle tier school, he
was a high school coach, then he was a coach at a bad wyoming program. None of
those credentials is "impressive". That is the type of hyperbole that I
enjoy pointing out with utah "fans".But of course none of us
knows how he will perform, he might be really good, he might stink. We'll
souptwins"Where's all the talk about how the PAC12 is such a
power house conference and no one from the MWC can even think about competing at
that level? Is that still true?"Let's see, souptwins...Utah
came from the lesser MWC and has improved but still struggles to compete in the
elite Pac-12. In the interim, Utah has consistently owned byu, also from the
MWC. You do the math and answer your own question.pocyUteI
agree with your assessment. This is a good indication (a data point) that
Christensen truly owns the offense and I like that. I think this is the time an
OC under Whittingham has had the green light to make his own hire. Definitely a
step in the right direction. I'm not sure that bringing coaches from
Wyoming is the silver bullet that Whittingham is looking for but Harding has
impressive credentials (on paper anyway). I'm still hoping
that Coach Whittingham will take a hard look at the receivers and db coaches.
@Gone Fishin, haven't a lot of really good coaches started out schools that
weren't that great? Urban Meyer coached at Bowling Green! Plus Wyoming is
in no position to ever be good at football. It's Wyoming! 472 ypg is pretty
impressive for a team that probably has never had a 3 start recruit.
There is no denying that Utah has not done well in the PAC 12. The record
speaks for itself. However, it is still better than being in the MWC or
independent. Arizona has never been to the Rose Bowl, but I guarantee that they
don't wish they never left the WAC. It is still better to be in the PAC
12, it is still better to be a Ute than a Cougar (that has been proven on the
I think the hire is fine. Whit has brought in higher profile guys before and
they didn't work out really well. I think this shows that Christensen is
in complete control of the offense. Obviously this someone who Christensen is
comfortable with, and knows the system inside and out. I have no
clue when it comes to evaluating an O-line coach. If the O-line struggles is
because of the technique and schemes or is it just a talent deficit. I
don't know, but it certainly has to benefit having an Oline coach the OC is
simpatico with.I'm excited to see what this offense looks like,
and excited to see that there appears to be direction and the potential for
stability in the program. Something that has obviously been lacking since
Ludwig left.GO UTES !!!!
Utah is really establishing itself as the Wyoming of the PAC-12.You'll get the occasional upset and winning season, but your destined to
be the whipping boy of more talented competition. Looking forward
to another losing season for the frUtes and a beat down @ RES on Oct 25th. Fight On!
ekute,If utah is in such a mighty conference then why are they having to
go to a losing team in lesser conference to recruit coaches? I thought that
your conference membership would land you blue chip coaches. Maybe the rest of
the football world sees things as they really are on the hill. Maybe you could
send them your crimson colored glasses. You might also want to throw in a few
PAC 12 stickers. I'm sure they are in great supply on the hill.
Where's all the talk about how the PAC12 is such a power house conference
and no one from the MWC can even think about competing at that level? Is that
still true? Do you think promoting coaches from a "less than"
conference who struggled to find success there will instantly be successful with
a bit more talented players at Utah? That's a lot of faith and hope---
maybe Whitt should add some pixie dust, then he'll have it.
Gone fishin,No, It's attempting to improve our standing in the
PAC 12. If all we had to do is beat byu and USU, no changes would be needed.
Yeah, that Wyoming o-line was nothing short of a steam roller. Seriously, I saw
BSU run through that line like water through a sieve. Brett Smith ran for his
life all day long.
It is a revolving door approach to coaching.