Utah basketball: Utes searching for answers to offensive woes

Return To Article
Add a comment
  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2014 1:50 p.m.

    RE: Rockwell and Duckhunter and RPI
    BYU's RPI isn't adding much to the resume for Utah getting into the NCAA. Worse, it depends on BYU holding onto that rating (far from certain). ESPN says BYU's only chance at an NCAA bid is to win the WCC tournament, so that "top 40" RPI isn't buying the Cougars much either.

    It's highly unlikely that Utah wins the conference, so the Utes would have to win their tournament. Like Rockwell correctly realized, tournament seeding is where beating OSU means more than beating BYU.

    Utah isn't currently being looked at for an at-large bid, despite beating #37-RPI-at-the-moment BYU. To get the attention of the committee and an at-large bid, Utah will have to make quite a bit of noise in conference play. Again, my point, every conference wins helps the Utes more than that victory back in November.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 15, 2014 10:44 a.m.


    "You might consider OSU "lesser" than BYU, but any conference win helps the Utes more than the thumping an old MWC rival. That's true in football and basketball."

    First of all osu is a lesser team but you are dead wrong in your claim that beating them is a helps utah more. Basketball is all about getting into the ncaa tournament. Only one team from each conference gets an automatic bid which means everyone else has to depend on an at large bid. Beating a top 40 RPI BYU team does far more for utah in any attempt to get an at large bid than beating a bad osu team does. You see utah has zero chance of getting the pac12's automatic bid, and because of their other than BYU awful ooc schedule they probably have zero chance of an at large bid either, but if they are somehow on the borderline for an at large the committee will give the win over BYU far more weight than beating oregon st.

    I know utah "fans" want to try to minimze BYU to help your fragile egos but in this case you look ridiculous doing so.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Jan. 15, 2014 10:34 a.m.


    Non-conference wins count every bit as much as conference wins when the NCAA tournament selection committee starts counting up good wins.

    #37 BYU is the ONLY RPI Top 100 team Utah has beaten this season

    Oregon State is only ranked #121

    Unlike football, there aren't any automatic bowl tie-ins in basketball, so conference standing is meaningless when it comes to Selection Sunday. Beating OSU might help you secure a better seed in the PAC 12 tournament, but it won't help you get an Big Dance invite.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2014 9:40 a.m.

    talkinsports says "BYU may be the only decent win the Utes have all season."
    It is fun to play an in-state team. As a sports fan, I enjoy it. But only decent win? That was true until January 4, when Utah beat Oregon State. You might consider OSU "lesser" than BYU, but any conference win helps the Utes more than the thumping an old MWC rival. That's true in football and basketball.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Jan. 14, 2014 11:36 p.m.

    “I don’t really have an answer for it,’’ said forward Jordan Loveridge.

    Since Loveridge missed those two shots at the end of the Oregon game he has been content to let Taylor or Wright take/miss the potential game winner.

    A lack of confidence in his shot at crunch time?

    Just being a team guy at crunch time?

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 14, 2014 9:53 p.m.


    BYU may be the only decent win the Utes have all season.

    Who cares how close the games were, the Utes just lost two of their most winnable conference games and in the process had perhaps their two most pathetic performances of the season on offense, the second in a practically empty gym, hardly what you'd consider an "intimidating" atmosphere.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2014 9:26 p.m.

    "If Coach K knew what was best for the program he would not have allowed such a horrible pre-season schedule. "
    Cut the guy a break - he has to schedule BYU.

    Seriously though, you're being a quite dramatic. 3 losses by 2 points, 1 loss by 3 points. Can't get much closer than that. If that is "false confidence and hype", what did Dave Rose do to BYU to cause blowout losses?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 14, 2014 9:23 p.m.

    I know the answer. Get better players.

  • 11 of past 12 Seattle, WA
    Jan. 14, 2014 1:04 p.m.

    If Coach K knew what was best for the program he would not have allowed such a horrible pre-season schedule. This was probably the single most hurtful thing a coach could do to his players. Instilling false confidence and hype does not make a team battle ready and it showed this past weekend in Pullman. It was not a fluke that they lost to WSU. It is(and always has been) the utah reality. Go ahead and slap another PAC sticker on your cooler.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Jan. 14, 2014 12:48 p.m.

    The coaching and the talent is there. They just need to loosen up and play. The PAC 12 schedule is in their head. Go Runnin' Utes.

  • Gone fishin Seattle, WA
    Jan. 14, 2014 11:42 a.m.

    If the utes are searching for answers it lies in leaving the pac and joining the Big Sky conference where they would be at least middle of the pack. Otherwise it will just be there same from here on out in the mighty pac.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 14, 2014 10:12 a.m.

    Maybe Utah bball should suit up gymnastics players - they're the best athletes on campus.

  • hamrdown OREM, UT
    Jan. 14, 2014 8:56 a.m.

    Is thia a football or basketball article? I think it is one and the same, just different names.

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Jan. 14, 2014 8:04 a.m.

    Everything is okay Chris B. The Utes managed to beat a BYU team that was uncharacteristically weak that night. And beating BYU makes the entire Ute season (in any sport) a success. Right?

    I think UoU 1991 has it right. Playing 99% of the pre-season at home, and mostly cupcakes, only served to foster a false sense of accomplishment.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 13, 2014 11:21 p.m.

    UoU 1991

    At least one Utah fan has a realistic view of how little playing the 351st worst pre-season schedule (dead last, btw) did to prepare Utah to play a tough conference schedule.

    The Utes' weak pre-season schedule and red hot start versus a cold-shooting BYU team simply fueled false hopes that this was a much improved Utah team.

    As we saw in Washington, that was only a pipe dream.

    The supposed "best player in Utah" only managed a measly 14 points against the lowly Wazoo.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Jan. 13, 2014 11:01 p.m.

    It's not that difficult to figure out. Utah simply isn't that great on offense.

    Utah's season scoring average is grossly inflated by those two 120+ point games against high school teams. Utah hasn't come close to score 100 points against a team ranked in the Top 300.

    Against RPI Top 100 teams, the Utes are only averaging 70 ppg and that number will decline even further when the Utes start playing teams like Arizona, California, Colorado and UCLA. Against Washington the Utes only scored 57 points and against lowly Washington St the Utes only scored 46 points.

    Utah is quickly learning that it's not nearly as easy to shoot in foreign gyms when you've spent the entire season playing in the friendly confines of the HC.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2014 10:34 p.m.

    Chris B

    Current PAC 12 RPI Rankings
    #6 Arizona
    #12 Colorado
    #25 Oregon
    #28 California
    #34 UCLA
    #52 Stanford
    #71 Arizona St
    #86 Washington
    #92 USC
    #124 Oregon St
    #134 Washington St
    #166 Utah

    Utah has already lost road games to two of the three weakest PAC 12 teams on Utah's schedule and Utah doesn't play Oregon St on the road. Every one of Utah's remaining road opponents is ranked in the Top 100. #92 USC is the weakest road opponent left on Utah's schedule.

    Chances are the Utes won't win a single road game this season and a team that can't win on the road has absolutely no chance of finishing in the upper half of the conference.

    Even if the Utes sweep Oregon St, Washington St, Washington and USC at home, that still leaves the Utes with only 4 conference wins.

    Regardless of how close Utah's losses to Washington and Washington St were, those were two of the three most winnable games left on Utah's schedule.

    Coach k may have the program headed in the right direction, but the results of the last two games clearly demonstrate that he left his team woefully unprepared to compete in conference play this season.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2014 9:06 p.m.

    UoU1991 - Its silly to suggest that the reason for a few very close losses is a weak preseason. If Utah had scored another bucket or two would the reason we won have been because we played a weak preseason?

    Every team loses some close ones. They were tough, but don't act like its impossible to win close games since we played a very bad out of conference schedule. Just need to make a couple more plays. Stop panicking. This team is vastly improved over anything we've seen in a number of years. I think coach K knows better than you do what is best for this program.

    Go utes!

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2014 8:18 p.m.

    The obvious solution to Utah's offensive road woes is to play more than one pre-season road game. How does coach krysto expect to develop any road toughness in his team if all he plays is pre-season cupcakes at home?