Laws of nature

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  • RFLASH Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2014 10:58 a.m.

    Homosexuals can and do produce offspring! One friend of mine had nine children! He also has grandchildren! It is really pathetic that you find a need to degrade others!

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Jan. 13, 2014 10:08 p.m.

    Bob - You are making things up that I never said.

    In our society, where the state is separated from church by law, the term "Civil Marriage" is an oxymoron. It makes about as much as sense as saying "Buddhist County Court". The State overstepped its bounds when it started regulating marriage, over a hundred years ago. It was unconstitutional then and it still is.

    Separate the church marriages and the civil unions and all sides will have their rights preserved.

    But even with the rights preserved, the physical facts of life remain true.

  • Sense Maker SANDY, UT
    Jan. 13, 2014 2:52 p.m.

    When I wrote this letter to the Reader's Forum, they left some of my comments out. I never meant those who can't reproduce are of any less value. However, I am concerned that same sex couples raising children may cause confusion for those children, and may hinder their gender identity.

    Ann Bradford

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Jan. 13, 2014 11:04 a.m.

    To 95% of us,
    the Laws of Nature tell men to have sex with as many different women as possible,
    but we have laws to restrict that sort of behavior.

    Don't you think it's about time for the other 5% to live by the same rules?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 13, 2014 6:38 a.m.

    "Just as a fish and a bird cannot produce young, neither can homosexual couples."
    or older people,
    or infertile,

    Using this lame logic -- people should not be allowed to get married until AFTER they prove they can "produce young".


    BTW --
    This letter writer missed the whole premise of "Fiddler on the Roof".
    It was a story about intolerance,
    drive from their homes,
    for being DIFFERENT.

    If you are a Mormon,
    You should know better...

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Jan. 13, 2014 4:31 a.m.

    I will not spend one second worrying about my neighbor's sex life.

  • Bob K portland, OR
    Jan. 13, 2014 2:14 a.m.

    Murray, UT
    "To state that same sex couples will never conceive children together is not bigotry. It is a plain pure fact, without insult or emotion. It is common sense. It is completely devoid of bigotry."

    To state that same-sex couple cannot have a civil marriage because they cannot fulfill the marriage requirements of your church is the VERY definition of the term.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Jan. 12, 2014 8:20 p.m.

    The sky is blue.
    Her hair is blonde.
    She has brunette colored hair.
    Cats look different than dogs.

    Statements of pure fact are totally devoid of bigotry, even though the may distinguish one item/person from another.

    To state that same sex couples will never conceive children together is not bigotry. It is a plain pure fact, without insult or emotion. It is common sense. It is completely devoid of bigotry.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2014 6:30 p.m.

    "common sense" would be avoiding ad-hominem attacks against anyone who doesn't share your view.
    A persons worth is not based on whether they choose to reproduce or not. A whole lotta folks I see shouldn't be reproducing. I think arrogance and self-righteousness are in large supply in this state. One persons "common sense" is another persons bigotry.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    Jan. 12, 2014 4:54 p.m.

    Pagan - are you suggesting we should use Octo-mom as a model for our society?????

    I think she is appalling. That is not the society I want.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2014 12:57 p.m.

    Counter point:


    Single mother of eight (x8) children through invitro fertilization.

    Have a good day.

  • Ralph West Jordan Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2014 12:16 p.m.

    Thanks to the writer of a great letter! Thank you for addressing the irrevocable law of nature. A law that cannot be changed at the whims of Governments, Religions or Judges! The law of nature always has been, is now and always will be!

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 12, 2014 9:54 a.m.

    We've been over this, but let's restate: offspring are not mandatory to validate a marriage. More and more heterosexual couples are seeing the benefits of not having kids, too.
    Besides, isn't it ironic that the suit was filed because of potential harm to children when the writer claims gay marriage cannot produce young and is therefore not sensible? Technically, of course, same sex couples can't 'produce' young, but they can and do raise them. And heterosexual marriage has certainly proven itself unnecessary to 'producing' young. If this is where the discussion is today, same sex marriage is a shoe in.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2014 6:26 a.m.

    "Fiddler on the Roof" is in fact a story filled with powerful lessons about respect, tolerance, enlightenment and the importance of letting go of irrational prejudices. These are lessons that I hope Utahns can learn.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 12, 2014 6:21 a.m.

    If that is your "litmus test" for marriage, then be consistent.

    No marriage for 50+ year olds
    No marriage for young with fertility issues.

    You good with that Ann?

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    Jan. 12, 2014 4:02 a.m.

    So you're saying that gay people are a different species than human? Also, if you remember your Fiddler on the Roof, the subsequent events of the plot prove him wrong.