When I was on my mission in Chicago about 30 years ago, we knocked on the door
of a very kind gentleman who told us his daughter joined the LDS Church after
watching Donny(no mission) and Marie on television and was now attending BYU.
Need I say more?
When I was on my mission in Chicago about 30 years ago, we knocked on a door and
a kindly gentleman answered. We told him who we were and told us he was familiar
with the LDS Church.He told us his daughter joined the church after
watching Donny (no mission) and Marie on television and was now attending BYU.
Need I say more?
J-TX: I appreciate your comments, especially the last line. That sums up the
whole issue very nicely.I detect a bit of a whining tone among
others, implying "why should the rest of us be required to go on a mission
and the superstars get a pass?" I think there is a misconception of what a
mission is. Most who have served on a formal mission would deem it more as a
PRIVILEGE than an obligation or sacrifice. If someone opts not to take advantage
of that privilege, that is none of our business! And if you think
that worthy LDS members in professional sports, or other limelight, are not
doing missionary work, you are extremely naive. The likes of Steve Young, Danny
Ainge, Dale Murphy, Vai Sikahema, Gifford Neilson have all been positive
influences for the Church. and have directly or indirectly brought people to the
Gospel.I don't think there is a single General Authority that
would harshly judge Jimmer for not going on a mission, because they know he can
do a lot of good for the Church from a PR perspective. So why should we judge
RE: Missions:I'm one of three brothers, all 6th gen LDS. With
a convert mom and an often inactive dad, missions were never mentioned as a goal
in our home. My dad and Grandpa did not go, though my great-grandpa served 3
5-year missions. But for a series of miracles in my life, I would not have
served. But I did, and praise to the Father.Fast forward: I have 3
sons, all 7th gen LDS. #1 is his own person and decided (inexplicably to his
parents) to get married shortly after High School to a recent convert girl.
They were sealed in the temple 1 year later, and they are progressing. #2 will
come home from his mission in May. #3 made some mistakes and did not qualify,
given the 'raised bar'. We love them and they all
understand that it would have been optimal to serve a mission, but, water under
the bridge, most important is to do the things that will lead to the Temple,
Eternal Marriage and a life of service in the Church.Have there been
criticisms and lack of charity at times? Yes. Lack of charity is a
sin. Not going on a mission is not a sin.
"In 2011, Jimmer Fredette found himself in the spotlight (no pun intended)
during his senior year as he led the BYU basketball team to the Sweet
16."No pun intended? There was no pun. Someone needs to go
back and take a look at their writing 101 book....
Tons of respect for Whittney and Jimmer! You navigate a public life with a lot
of class. I've always been a fan of the way you play the game, but I'm
very impressed by your grace and humility - not easy or even revered qualities
in the NBA. Much success in your life. I almost didn't write this,
remembering Pres. Hinckley's words,"adulation is poison." I figure
you'll be able to handle this little bit of adulation since you've
done a pretty good job so far. Best of luck to both of you in the future. By the
way, my favorite Jimmer memory was watching him stick it to "Willis"
from UNLV after some much publicized running the mouth.
@DanB Just because the circumstances were different does not make it a bad
comparison. The point is, there were circumstances that said it wasn't
right for either Pres. Monson or Jimmer to serve a mission. Makes no difference
that the expectation wasn't there during Pres. Monson's time. That was
also part of the circumstance.Also, let's not forget that
another prophet, Pres. Howard W. Hunter did not serve a mission. Elder
Featherstone is correct.Jimmer was gracious to answer the question.
The real answer to such a question is "It's none of your business.
That's strictly between me and the Lord."Why are people
grumping about not having their own personal Apostle to give them counsel? Since
when is jealousy and envy part of gospel living? That's pride and pettiness
manifesting itself. Here's a way you can one-up Jimmer on that: Get your
counsel personally from the Lord!
Re: DanB"Guess who else didn't go on a mission? Thomas S.
Monson, and I don't see that many people criticizing him for not going.
Worry about your own lives and quit judging others."Bad
comparison. There was no expectation for "every worthy male" to serve a
mission at that time, especially during World War II. Pres. Monson was a bishop
at missionary age and did serve a mission a few years later (as a mission
president in Canada in his early thirties). That is neither here
nor there, I agree with you that there is no need to judge others. cheers.
We can all serve missions--a full time proselytizing mission isn't the only
way. I, a common member with absolutely no notoriety, had the opportunity to
associate with and be interviewed by Spencer W. Kimball because he was at the
time the supervisor of our mission. One thing he made clear to us is that our
missions didn't end with our release; they were to be lifelong. If I
remember correctly, Steve Young didn't serve a full time mission either;
but has filled a life-long one. There are other more everyday members who
didn't but do--if readers catch my drift. It is strictly a matter between
every member and the Lord. The encouragement for every worthy young man to do so
is simply motivational in nature; not a commandment set in concrete.BTW:
we had closer involvement with the general authorities when we were young than
the youth & members in general do now. But we all can enjoy a close
relationship with the Lord!
Guess who else didn't go on a mission? Thomas S. Monson, and I don't
see that many people criticizing him for not going. Worry about your own lives
and quit judging others.
I think the reason why we see a disproportionatly large number of
African-Americans in the NBA has to do with culture and socio-economic reality
not biology. It is a culture of playing basketball from a young age.
It is a culture of basketball being the only sport and sport being heavily
emphasized. On the other hand, it is the socio-economic reality that people in
inner cities can get basketball and football scholarships, but with crummy
schools will only rarely get others.How many more Ben Carson's
would Detroit Public Schools have turned out if it was a well run school
district. I don't know, but as a DPS employee I will say they have lots of
improvements to make, even if I will say things are getting better.
If you hate Jimmer Fredette in anyway or for any reason, you just
self-identified yourself as some one with issues.Always kind, always
positive, always classy.
@BlueHuskyLike when Kevin Love won that random "which player makes the
most out of limited natural ability" "award" which he referred to as
the white guy award.
@runnerguy50:Some LDS fans probably would not be as kind to an
average BYU male who decided not to serve a mission.I for one
respect all young men who are striving to be good people and good athletes
whether they serve a mission or not. A mission is not for everyone, but it is
definitely a good choice for those who want to do it. For those who choose not
to serve a mission, I'm sure you have other good and worthy goals that are
worth pursuing and you are a loved child of God too.
I have to agree with Liberal Ted. The expectation to serve a mission is huge
among the majority who are not part of the Mormon glitterati. And those
"regular church members" who choose not to serve are often frowned upon
and have to live under a cloud of suspicion. Also, the vast majority of
"regular" Mormons never have the opportunity to receive personal counsel
from a member of the Quorum of the 12, let alone receive personal phone calls
from of them. So, good for Jimmer for living his life the way he chooses...and
for being a person to whom the church pays particular attention.
@ Liberal Ted,You sound a bit bitter. Yes the church has encouraged
every person who can serve to do a mission, however, we all know that the Lord
has given us all different plans for our life. There are superstars that serve
on missions (David Archeletta) and there are superstars who don't. Not your
place to judge. I think Jimmer talks to a lot of people and his actions speak
louder than words. He's a good guy, good example and a strong active
member. There are many who are not superstars and they still decide not to go on
missions. Take care of yourself and your life and don't compare to others
and don't judge others. BE HAPPY.
Thomas S. Monson our dear Prophet didn't serve a mission in his youth. I
met with Vaughan J. Featherstone in the church office buildings upon coming home
sick from my mission. He asked me "Elder how do you feel about
Missions?" I said I felt that I needed to serve a full time mission to
achieve the Celestial kingdom. His reply... "Elder serving a mission is not
on the check list to get into the celestial kingdom! But a temple marriage is.
We are all children of our Heavenly Father and each of us are unique and as
different as snow flakes. Our general rule is worthy young men *should* go. But
the lord has given us all talents and gifts that should be used to help build
his church upon this earth. And Elder I too did not serve a mission in my youth
but things have worked out pretty good for me!" I think a few commenters
should rethink the concept of a 2 year commitment and change it to a life time
commitment based on true gospel principles.
Some fellers were doing some work on my kitchen during jimmers senior year. I
had on my byu hat. The first thing that they talked about was jimmer.
Here's my opinion. I served a two year mission. I thought it was difficult.
Jimmer Fredette, on the other hand, to get to where he is, has spent an ENTIRE
LIFETIME shooting, dribbling and all kinds of other horrible, tedious, redundant
drills. All professional athletes do. In exchange, they get fame, wealth, and a
pretty wife. Simply not worth to me. He wouldn't trade places with me, but
I would never in my life trade places with him. Not on my worst day. Don't
be so quick to judge. The man has paid his dues, just in a different way.
I'm not saying the decision to forgo a mission was the right one. But, come
on, the man has worked his rear end off. In a society where so many don't
work at all at anything, that's got to count for something.
I liked the question and answer about Jimmer not serving a mission. Though the
reason has never really mattered to me, I had always been a little bit curious.
I think it's pretty cool that he prayed about it and without a strong
"yes" felt comfortable moving forward with his basketball career. No
need to argue back and forth about it, in my opinion. The Lord (through a
prophet) said that all worthy young men should serve missions, though there are
exceptions. The Lord (through a prophet) also said "Thou shalt not
kill," and we have seen some exceptions there as well (Nephi/Laban, etc.).
It also doesn't surprise me that general authorities try to
establish a relationship with Mormon public figures. And why wouldn't they?
Who is in a better position to positively affect how people view our faith? Overall, great interview! Stay classy, Jimmer and Whitney!
Nice interview. I have no problem with those who talk about their very personal
decision to forgo a mission and play sports. I have a big problem with athletes
and fans who say that 'playing ball is their mission.' This is a
common mis-statement, unless that is, the Missionary Department letter says
'The Football Field' or 'Basketball Court' as the area of
service. It is a naive position to equate playing sports to trudging through
mud in freezing rain, risking dysentery every day or having doors slammed in
your face, all in the name of selfless, anonymous service. I appreciate the way
that this issue was handled.
Ted, I agree with your comments about a mission. Question ? Would Jimmers's
LDS fans be as kind to a average BYU male who decided not to serve a mission ?
The White Question was dumb, but the fact still is that NBA fans, coaches and
players ARE obsessed with color. "White men can't jump". "You
can't win with white players (used to be you can't win with more than
one black player)". The comment was based on the obvious racism in hoops
over time. So is it true? Are blacks superior basketball players?Well, the NBA is about winning. Period. The guys they draft are the best
players they can find. The fact that the NBA is 80 or 90% black is evidence for
black superiority.As a scientist, I ask the question: why? Oh, wait,
we're not supposed to answer that, because WHY? is a racist question.Also, as a biologist, I realize that that there is only the human race,
color is merely response to latitude and related to protection from the sun. So,
then, what about African descent makes the difference? Fast twitch muscle? Body
mass? Inner city playgrounds?Why not do a study? Because we
don't really want to know.
@Mack2828The Lord knows who you are. ;)
Liberal Ted:Calm down. I don't understand why you are letting the
writers of this article and commentators rile you up so much. Jimmer chose not
to go on a mission and no one in the article or comments judged him, good or bad
for that decision. Would you prefer we take him over the coals for not going
like the prophet instructed...no thanks, I have enough mistakes in my life to
answer for I don't need to judge Jimmer, and that is why no one should
Mormon or not. If you aren't a famous Mormon than the same concept applies,
I'm not in any position to judge you...I have many close friends and men
that I look up to who didn't serve, and many who did. I guess I'm not
sure what you expect the Deseret news to say or do about it.Second,
the white comment wasn't Utah valley humor or racist in any way. They are
very pale and people have teased them about that before. Why make a mountain out
of a mole hill?Good luck Jimmer and Whitney!
I sometimes go through very hard times and alas no apostle has ever called to
wish me well.Strange world we live in...I suppose becoming skilled at
throwing a ball through a metal hoop has it's privileges.
As I read this article, the one I have the most respect for is his Mother. What
a wonderful, strong lady. She supports and loves her children unconditionally
and that can be a challenging thing when their path in life leads them in a
different direction than you would have preferred. So many Mormons don't
understand that the undeniable, strong faith that non-believers have is as true
and righteous to them as a Mormons belief is to themself. When someone, like
Jimmer's Mom, not only respects but encourages her son to follow his path
in life it is an example worth following for all.
Great interview, though I agree about the "way too white" question. That
was goofy. Only one bit of advice for Jimmer. Don't go near the Lakers! We
love you, but we despise the Lakers more, you would lose a lot of fans in a
I love the Jimmer's even more. Such a good guy with still a lot of talent.
He has had some good games as of late. Hopefully he continues to get more
Regardless of how good or how dumb the questions were, the Freddette's both
did an EXCELLENT job in giving straight-up, honest and very interesting answers.
I was fascinated to see how well they dealt with each question, as well as how
well they are dealing with a very task of living in the public eye. Well done
Jimmer and Whitney! Class acts both!
now I'm a dude. Thanks t702. I'm not sure what you mean by "making
fun of them in a good way". How do you "make fun" of white people in
a "good way"? Can you "make fun" of black people in a "good
way"?I understand the interviewer was trying to use that good ol
Utah County humor. The same humor and attitude that helps millions of Mormons
stay active and never leave the church. In case you didn't catch it, that
was sarcasm.Besides what is wrong with Mormons stepping back for a
minute and re-read what they say and write? Maybe read it from a perspective of
someone that doesn't live in the little bubble of Utah County.Either
way, Jimmer was a fun college player to watch. He is a fun NBA player to watch.
Even if many of his fans, like to jump to conclusions and point their righteous
finger, before asking questions or putting some thought into why a person would
write what they did.Raising a question or a point, shouldn't be a
threat for "secured" people.
"Lastly, who cares if they're white? Why does our society have strong
emotions about being white? It's okay to be white, brown, green, red,
yellow, purple."Our society is just now adjusting to the concept
of equality no matter the skin color. Therefore the strong emotions expressed
by those in the obsession of skin color.
I agree that the "white" question was really dumb!
Loved the article!@ Ted: "The part that bothers me, is when a
Mormon becomes famous. Then suddenly it doesn't matter whether or not they
serve a mission." Did you read the part that he prayed about his decision?
It was his freaking decision between him and God."Lastly, who
cares if they're white? Why does our society have strong emotions about
being white?" Really? Hey dude, the interviewer was jokingly making fun of
them in a good way...but... since liberals/progressive are obsess with race,
they see any mention of skin color as racist, unbelievable.
So now I'm insecure according ute alumni. Like I said, I don't care
what his decision was. I wasn't very clear. When the Deseret News writes
articles like this, or when a famous Mormon is used for publicity, it seems that
everything that non-famous members are required to do; do not seem to matter.So the message the article sends is confusing. Is it important or not?
If it is important then did Jimmer receive a calling from Ballard? If it's
not important, then why push so hard for every worthy young man to serve?Maybe that is a little more clear.
I enjoyed reading the interview. Well done. They can't avoid the
spotlight, at least for a few more years. Kind of like the Utah woman who was
Miss America quite some time ago.As to the white question, the
comment that she hoped their kids could go out in the sun, shows that she
understood the thrust of the question, as some pale people sun-burn very easily.
tedLife is a MISSION. The fact that someone goes or doesn't
isn't really your business. Remember someone else that wanted to force
behavior. He is on a mission to live a righteous life. I served and it was
great, but it was only one little part of my life of trying to make right
decisions. BTW, only insecure folks worry about someone or their own fame. Who
really cares, famous or not does not matter to God.
RE: Liberal Ted"Lastly, who cares if they're white? Why
does our society have strong emotions about being white? It's okay to be
white, brown, green, red, yellow, purple. We see white people and immediately
the talk is how do we fix you from being white?"While I agree it
was a silly question, it wasn't a question of being white (vs. Black,
brown, etc.) but of being really white (i.e. pale). It was meant to be funny
because both Jimmer and Whitney are quite pale.
Funny, but I've been a die hard fan even before he became a household name
and I've never deviated from my fondness for him. I read all the naysayers
and read their negative comments and think to myself, "Why do people waste
their breath and time criticizing others." Funnier still, but I think we
will hear a lot more about this amazing young man and his place among the NBA
long time players. And that's the opinion of a seasoned duffer from
I respect peoples decisions about whether or not to serve a mission.The part that bothers me, is when a Mormon becomes famous. Then suddenly it
doesn't matter whether or not they serve a mission. Because they're
famous and are "serving" in a different way...for the 99% of us we are
told that every worthy member should serve and set aside other pursuits until
after.If that is what Jimmer was called to do, that's
great....but, for the rest of us that don't get to have the spot light,
marry the cheer leader, be the star of a team, have our education paid for, and
get a pass on serving a mission.....life is much different. Maybe we should put
the spot light back on those of us that aren't superstars.Lastly, who cares if they're white? Why does our society have strong
emotions about being white? It's okay to be white, brown, green, red,
yellow, purple. We see white people and immediately the talk is how do we fix
you from being white?
whitney,you won't hear anything negative from me about your husband.
both of you are class acts and are to be admired. hopefully someone in the nba
is smart enough to pick him up and let him excel in a game that he has prepared
most of his life for. the best thing is that both of you seem to be winning in
the most important game, life. congratulations and thanks for the article.