50 years later, War on Poverty is hurting work and marriage

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  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    Jan. 12, 2014 4:38 p.m.

    Yep, new amazing rhetoric from DN posters.

    Farmers should get subsidies for their private business but poor people Should NOT get food stamps to help them not starve because that would make them starve....

    And Jesus is a conservative t-party type.

    All in one day, how do you do it? Before church or after church? During?

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    Jan. 11, 2014 6:12 p.m.

    Every assertion in this piece can be refuted by peer review ed studies from non partisan sources

  • LiveNLetLive Bakersfield, CA
    Jan. 11, 2014 8:47 a.m.

    It is sad how many people are economic illiterates. The unemployment compensation and welfare programs are fundamentally flawed. Look at Europe. These programs create a permanent underclass of dependents.

    These programs need to be recast along the lines of "give a man a fish/teach a man to fish".

    Then there is the dude who after a year was cut off and church welfare because he would not do his part in finding a job. They made interview appointments, they hauled him to job interviews, they tried to teach him how to look for a job. All to no avail. He would not act like he wanted a job. A couple of weeks after being cut off he called the Bishop and angrily told him "I don't need you, I found me my own job!"

    When I was out of work I had to move 1,200 miles to find a job. I know people who will not move across the street to find a job. Many long term unemployed need to be reintroduced to the consequences of poor choices.

  • canvas1 San Tan Valley, AZ
    Jan. 11, 2014 12:15 a.m.

    Pagan - "What would Jesus do?"

    First, Jesus would not hold a gun to my head and take money that I worked for and give it to someone else; which I would then recent and the recipient feel entitled to. Instead, He would teach me about the benevolence of willingly giving to those in need; which will fill my heart with joy and the recipient with gratitude.

    Forced charity is not charity and never will be!

  • canvas1 San Tan Valley, AZ
    Jan. 10, 2014 11:37 p.m.

    No need to worry folks.

    Nancy Pelosi said that Obamacare was going to provide the freedom to millions who now have health care who didn't to start businesses and create new jobs. Unemployment and and poverty will soon be solved; and she said it with a straight face.

  • Sal Provo, UT
    Jan. 10, 2014 2:53 p.m.

    Great article. Could have been taken from a page of the LDS welfare handbook: help people until they can get on their own feet.

  • Dude_42 Pleasant Grove, UT
    Jan. 10, 2014 2:14 p.m.

    I think it's interesting that people seem to want to put up straw man arguments to knock down on both sides of the issue. That's easy ... and, sorry y'all, that's lame. The article starts out:

    Fifty years ago, President Lyndon B. Johnson delivered his famous “War on Poverty” speech. Johnson’s purpose was “not only to relieve the symptom of poverty, but to cure it and, above all, to prevent it.”

    Focus people! That's the goal for liberal and conservative alike is it not? I believe anyone proposing that it isn't the goal of both sides is ignoring the true majority position with a straw man to attempt to bolster their ideological opinion. How about we talk about how to achieve Johnson's goal? No one seems to disagree we haven't achieved that goal. So, how do we prevent the causes of poverty? Sadly, the answer is, that's a tough row to hoe. The solutions are there but require a lot of effort. Many would rather argue about the gnat of "symptom alleviation" while swallowing (ignoring) the camel of "prevention".

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2014 2:11 p.m.

    Patriot: "there are more people on food stamps that ever under Barack...it is at an all time high and yet the poverty numbers are also at an all time high under Barack. Something obviously isn't working."

    You think that, just maybe, the most severe economic recession since the Great Depression could have had something to do with that?

  • Truthseeker SLO, CA
    Jan. 10, 2014 12:24 p.m.

    So, at the end of the article it talks about welfare reform enacted in 1996-- which included reforms such as work/training requirements and limits on the length of time one could receive cash assistance. The article then mentions that the requirements have been weakened. It leaves out that UT's Gov. Herbert requested more state flexibility, which Obama granted, for implementing the program.

    The increased flexibility then became a 2012 campaign issue where Republicans claimed Obama was "gutting welfare reform."

    According to Factcheck:

    "The Obama administration cited the Utah letter when it announced its new policy on July 12. The policy provides exactly the kind of flexibility Utah was seeking."

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 10, 2014 12:15 p.m.

    there are more people on food stamps that ever under Barack...it is at an all time high and yet the poverty numbers are also at an all time high under Barack. Something obviously isn't working. Maybe handouts don't solve the problem?? Just something liberals might want to consider. Give a man a fish and he eats for a day...teach a man to fish and he has fish for a lifetime. All the government fish in the world won't solve poverty ...and in fact only prove to make it worse since people are less able to take care of themselves.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2014 10:47 a.m.

    # 1: '‘50 years later, War on Poverty is hurting work and marriage’ - Title


    * 'Cut-off of jobless aid would lower economic growth' - By Paul Wiseman - AP - Published by DSNews - 11/30/10

    'Budget office says $1 spent on jobless aid generates $1.90 in economic growth' – article


    *'Marriage an important key to AVOIDING poverty' - By Jennifer A. Marshall, The Heritage Foundation - Published by DSnews - 10/17/10

    Waiting until marriage to have children is the second of three "golden rules" for avoiding poverty that researchers identified over the years: (1) graduate from high school; (2) marry before having children; and (3) get a job.
    Actually, being married is even more significant than graduating from high school for avoiding poverty. Robert Rector, a senior research fellow at The Heritage Foundation, shows this in a new paper, "Marriage: America's No. 1 Weapon Against Child Poverty."

    Utah is currently spending $ 2 million against marriage equality.

    So easy to disprove conservative opinions with conservative studies.

    Now, do we stop trying to end poverty? Stop food stamps, unemployment?

    What would Jesus do…?

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2014 10:44 a.m.

    The article is not talking about the recent past( past 50 years-duh!). Also, recent studies show that welfare Queens are not as prevalent as previously thought. The article says that deeper studies,and/ or better research is needed to find and understand underlying causes. I believe that more than government should be involved. It is in the interest of business and industry to be involved, as well.The investigation into this problem could lead to connections that could help the overall economy, benefiting all. Time to get really serious without partisan shiboleths.

  • Mark B Eureka, CA
    Jan. 10, 2014 10:19 a.m.

    Is there a sale somewhere on op ed pieces written by conservative lobby groups? There sure seems to be a lot of them popping up.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2014 8:26 a.m.

    So let me get this straight. According to today's brand of conservatism,

    Unemployed people caught up in the biggest recession since the Great Depression shouldn't have access to unemployment benefits, which makes them poor, and

    Poor people and the middle class shouldn't have access to affordable healthcare, and

    Poor families shouldn't have access food stamps, and

    Working people shouldn't expect their employers to offer a retirement program, and

    Working people shouldn't be allowed to bargain collectively with their employers over pay and benefits, and

    Social Security should be shrunk, privatized, or both, and

    The solution to the accelerating gap between rich and poor, and the rapid evaporation of the middle class, is to give even bigger tax breaks to the wealthiest Americans and corporations.

    Do you see why so many Americans think today's GOP has gone completely off the rails?

  • Owen Heber City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2014 1:34 a.m.

    "Yet supporters of government welfare suggest that the solution to poverty is more government assistance for more people."
    Why keep perpetuating the myths of the welfare queens and lazy workers? Those advocating for those who need help insist the solution is to provide LESS government assistance to those who don't need it: corporations, corrupt bankers, industrial farmers, wasteful militarization. Worker productivity, and resulting corporate profits, have never been higher in real dollars -- and yet corporate welfare and bailouts for those who caused the mess have never been higher. Military spending is higher than the next dozen countries combined. And, if marriage is the answer, why deny it to so many?