Dick Harmon: 5 unsung Utahns played a critical role in the death of the BCS

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  • jeru0455 SALEM, OR
    Jan. 21, 2014 2:42 p.m.

    There are still AQs and non-AQs five conferences and independents not called ND (MWC, AAC, C-USA, MAC, and Sun Belt) share one bid between all of them. Each of the AQ champs get in automatically. If in the entire history of this coming playoff one team from a conference not called the PAC, B1G, Big XII, SEC, or ACC gets in I will be shocked. The more things change...

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Jan. 12, 2014 11:49 a.m.

    @Cougarblue it had nothing to do with religious bigotry and more to due with the revenue Utah and Colorado could help the Pac12 generate through the Pac12 network. The Pac12 network to survive needs advertising dollars and programming. Byu has decided not to play on Sunday which is their choice the PAC12 needs programming on Sundays which is when many of the minor sports will be show cased. Also the NCAA published the tv ratings for football for each college team byu was 58th with just over a million viewers Utah was 60th with a little under a million viewers. If byu has such a great fan base why are they only in the 58th spot two ahead of Utah? Byus contact does not pay the y as much as you think and it has regulated by to playing Friday nights and at 8pm on Saturday when no one cares to watch.
    Utah does bring better value to the PAC12 because they help the PAC full fill their contracted agreement they have with the networks.

  • XelaDave Salem, UT
    Jan. 10, 2014 3:46 p.m.

    This week the value of college football teams was reported by CNN and oops guess who had greater value- BYU or Utah?- BYU by a fairly large margin- and in the commissioners cup race each year who almost always scores higher- BYU 9 times out 10- PAC 12 invite- politics and values 1 money 0- so be it- that is the way it is with most things

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 10, 2014 7:05 a.m.

    Casey See

    "There is a growing ground swell to create 4 sixteen team mega conferences."

    Old news. That "growing ground swell" died last fall.

  • Cougsndawgs91 West Point, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 10:47 p.m.

    The whole Utah is more valuable than BYU football team is a joke. Of course they are...it's called a fat paycheck from the PAC12...duh. If BYU were in the Big12 leeching off Texas and Oklahoma I guarantee they would be worth more than Utah's football team. Amazing how that works. It's like an unemployed hobo that makes 300 bucks in food stamps saying "hey I'm worth more than you" to a guy trying to work part time shifts at a fast food joint.

    Utah football is only more valuable because they are the new leech (along with Colorado) of the PAC12 programs that actually have larger fanbases and get better ratings and bring in more money (Utah is bottom tier in all three categories). Btw, for those saying getting in the pac12 is harder than the Big12 at this point, do a little research. Forbes: the Big12 conference makes more money per school than any other conference in the country. BYU isn't in the pac12 because they aren't a tier 1 research school and aren't a liberal school like Utah...plain and simple.

  • Supercool11 R-Valley, NV
    Jan. 9, 2014 9:34 p.m.

    The football bowl season is boring.

    You have only one game that means anything. The teams in the championship game don't play their way in. They get selected by several panels of judges (or polls) like bunch of figure skaters. Could Utah or Boise State have won a championship game in their undefeated seasons. Of course, anything can happen in a single game played a month after the season.

    A 16-team playoff is what college football needs, with an automatic bid from each conference. Nobody pays attention to college basketball until march, and the NCAA playoffs are awesome because every team has a chance to go to the dance and you have all these cinderellas and every game is do or die.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Jan. 9, 2014 8:40 p.m.

    Good post Fitz.
    I think 16 teams is plenty. That would make for a good playoff system. Hopefully a way to incorporate bowl games in that as well.
    The NCAA Tournament has expanded to 68 teams. And now there is talk of going to 96! Almost looks like the "Don't Hurt Feelings, Let's Invite Every School Tournament." And if some people have their way, it could come down to that.

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 7:52 p.m.

    Lots of emotional investment by the trolls for matters BYU. BYU would never be invited to the PAC12 nor would they accept unless BYU's policy against Sunday play, Church oversight and they agreed to abandon their TV network. That is unlikely to happen just for the sake of money. There has been too much discussion about the topic.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 5:01 p.m.

    jakarus - And we're talking about football aren't we? Yes, the Utah football team is more valuable than byU's.

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 4:59 p.m.

    @ Chris B
    Money does not come into play in all instances...for example, PG and even G rated movies have been shown to be much more profitable than the R's, yet Hollywood makes a lot more R's...showing disdain for money in order to attack and erode values of our American society...same issue with liberal PAC 10...just look at the attendance two weeks ago when the Cougars played Pepperdine/LMU and greatly increased attendance at those games, even had more BYU fans than home fans in one of the two games...
    I'm so glad BYU is not in the PAC 12, and has the courage to stand up for a values based University, where intelligence, (not just knowing, but doing)trumps.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 4:30 p.m.

    jarkarus, and just winning more games than you lose doesn't make you a good team. Love the nation that byu is a super successful program simply because they beat mostly low quality teams.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Jan. 9, 2014 4:06 p.m.

    And just being a member of the so called prestigious Pac doesn't win you ball games or bowl games for that matter, no matter how much you try to think it does. Love the notion that the Utes are just a super successful football program when they keep losing and miss bowl games. Yep the sign of a program on the rise. but but we play really hard teams, pick another excuse that one is getting old.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Jan. 9, 2014 3:45 p.m.

    @Chris B
    "Go read the KSL article last week that showed Utah has a more valuable athletic department than byu. Disagree?" Yeah I disagree. LOL once again you skew and spin. They are not the more valuable athletic department. The article says the 39th most valuable "TEAM". As in just football. You're comments never have any validity or credibility.

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    Jan. 9, 2014 3:12 p.m.


    While living in Colorado Springs the AF stadium was easily 50% BYU and the Bball games were closer to 75%.

    Since moving to Utah I have seen a huge increase in Ute fans. Utah seems to be more Ute centric than BYU centric (other than maybe Utah Valley). There is a ton of BYU hatred, especially here in Davis County. (I can only imagine SLC). It's certainly tougher being a BYU fan in Utah than it is outside of Utah.

    Although I respect Ute fans opinions I do not believe any of them not looking through roes colored glasses can say BYU does not bring value to a big (BCS) conferance. I'm convinced the reasons BYU has not been invited to one of those conferances is simply political, religious, or academic (not a big med school of post grad school).

    To say BYU does not bring the fans, especially outside of Utah, is simply ignorance.

    BYU caters to a different crowd and I was happy with their independence as a fan outside of Utah. I saw more games both televised and live than I ever would have with them in the MWC or even the PAC 12.

  • AFCoug Colorado Springs, CO
    Jan. 9, 2014 3:00 p.m.

    First I am a BYU grad (slight bias)
    Second, I just retired from the Air Force and have lived all across this country.
    Finally, I now live in Utah (since Nov)

    Having lived in the midwest, west, east coast, and Texas I believe I am a bit more knowledgable about Utah college teams outside of Utah than someone who has always lived in Utah (maybe Chris B).

    What I have always seen is the Utes rarely if ever draw the way BYU does outside of Utah. In my whole career I had a few Ute fans in my wards. They were typically Ute fans because they had attended Utah or moved from Utah. Rarely was there a Ute fan that was not one of the above.

    BYU fans however were common in all the wards. The LDS membership associated with BYU whether or not they had lived in Utah or attended BYU. When BYU came to town the masses from wards and stakes from hundreds of miles around would flock to the games. I attended the Virginia game just before retiring from the Pentagon. We drove about 2 hours to the game and BYU fans were easily a 40-50% of the crowd.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 2:56 p.m.

    I think it's a pretty safe bet that the PAC-12 would have been much happier if they could have gotten the full slate of BYU athletic teams and their fan base under the banner of the University of Utah.

  • Fitz Murray, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 2:18 p.m.

    Thanks for the run down, Dick, on the end of the BCS Championship game. It was a farce. But I don't believe that the BCS is dead. When a fair methodology is set forth, then you can declare BCS to be dead, until then, the 4 game playoff is what we have, which isn't much. It should, and could, easily be moved to more playoff teams. The minimum should be 16 teams in the playoffs, which would take 4 Saturdays. The better number would be 32, which would start early in December and take 5 Saturdays to play it out. The long standing bowls would have to either find a way to include themselves in the playoffs, or accept teams that didn't cut it in the playoffs. BCS has a long way to go before it is declared dead.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 2:08 p.m.


    The coaches in the Pac 12 want byu?


    Nope, lets start right here with Pac 12 Whittingham.

    Has he ever said anything in favor of byu joining the Pac 12?

    No, because we don't want to invite you

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    Jan. 9, 2014 1:46 p.m.

    Oh please, enough of the ESPN buddy buddy stuff, and TV ratings. BYU entered into a contract and ESPN will say anything to look positive. It's their money on the line. When in reality the TV ratings have not been that great. Any company, any, will say things in public to make things look better if they are in a deal. What nobody talks about here, that I have seen, is that ESPN has the right to change the terms of the agreement. Especially based upon ratings and advertising revenue generated thereof.

    Utah is in the PAC 12. Get over it.
    BYU is independent. Live with it.

    Who knows. Sometime down the road BYU might finally get an official invite, rather than talking or rumors about it. Not on their terms entirely.

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 1:35 p.m.

    The NCAA is made up of University Presidents. The President's of six of those conferences and voted in the BCS garbage to enrich their pockets. They ensured that no team outside their arrogant conferences would ever have the opportunity to win a National Championship. They were upset when BYU won in 1984. They are part of the National Entitlement Mentality. "The Championship only belongs to us, the Elite. No other team may even consider it." The NCAA is simply an organization that runs the day-to-day affairs of the sports. It is an umbrella organization, with little clout, on that which the President's give to it.

    The PAC 10+2 Conference President's don't want BYU because of their religious bigotry. The Coaches want BYU because of their basic competitiveness and their drawing power. This malarky that BYU is not a research institution is actually debunked when you do some serious research and see that many of their conference schools don't do as much research as BYU.

    I think Utah may want to join that second level and become competitive. They certainly are not competitive in this expanded conference.

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 1:34 p.m.

    A big thanks to those mentioned for helping evolve the BCS monopoly.

    It never surprises me that certain individuals live to post on DNEWS. The time and effort spent to monitor and post comments reveal an open schedule to mediocrity and some sort of innate emptiness. Sad - really.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 1:12 p.m.

    MN Doug,

    Yes, Utah was plan B.

    And plan C was stick to 10 teams rather than invite byu.

    Similarly, plan B if the Big 12 couldn't get a title game was to stay at 10 teams, rather than invite byu.

    Utah was a consolation prize.

    and byu was never even considered as a consolation prize.


  • MN Doug Rochester, MN
    Jan. 9, 2014 12:18 p.m.

    Let's settle down a bit here Chris B. Utah was CLEARLY plan B for the Pac 12. The Pac 10 was on the brink of getting Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State in addition to already added Colorado. It would have truly been the first super-conference. Texas wouldn't be allowed to keep their precious Longhorn network, so the deal fell through. The Pac 10 then went to plan B. Based on what Utah/Colorado have thus far added to the conference, it feels like subtraction by addition. Yes they got a bigger TV deal, but imagine the money they'd have made with the Texas/Oklahoma schools. The Utes were a terrible consolation prize.

  • Samwise Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 12:02 p.m.

    I love all the speculation from Chris B and other Utah fans/BYU haters. If (an it is a BIG if as it is only speculation at this point) 4 16 team Super Conferences are created, BYU would likely be invited to one (most likely the one created out of the Big 12, but a less likely scenario would be the Pac 12 or Big 10). Obviously I am also only just speculating, but if BYU haters can speculate, so can BYU fans. Go Cougars!

  • LoveTheKittens Central, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 11:49 a.m.


    Logical yes, valid I am not sure. Utah has never had a desire for football independence therefore, I am not sure that there is a valid comparison there. My premise is that many BYU fans are also fans of other teams that are local to the area where they live. Going to occassional games when BYU is playing in that area is not the same a regular fan, same with watching the Cougs on TV. I am not a fan of BYU but I do love college sports and will watch a BYU game on occassion.

    Had Utah not gone to the PAC, both Utah and BYU would still be in the MWC or who knows, maybe Utah or both would be in the Big12.

    Also, BYU, Utah, and Alabama have never won a Big10 championship and probably never will however, none of those teams compete for championships in that conference...there is a difference.

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 11:47 a.m.

    For some, college football seems to be a vehicle in which we live our lives to the exclusion of the real world. I had season tickets for BYU ever since they expanded the stadium. We dropped them at the end of the Gary Crowton era - the man who killed BYU Football for us.

    I think 11 or 12 season games and any bowl game is plenty. The Y is not going to attract and keep enough division I players to seriously compete with the elite football schools for major post season glory. The game is for entertainment not fans reliving Walter Mitty dreams of glory.

    IMHO being free of long term financial financial entanglements with conferences a good thing. BYU athletics is a brand that is secondary to the school and Church's mission.

    I neither loved nor hated the old BCS, I just didn't care that much. A brief glance at the headlines Monday morning to read FSU won was sufficient for me.

    Division II and III have championship games too. Their fans have a good time. I understand many of their athletes are literate and graduate, from college. Perhaps they are on to something.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Jan. 9, 2014 11:44 a.m.

    Anybody who claims that the University of Utah is a higher revenue generator than BYU can check out the Department of Educations website it is explained in mathematical form. Also tv ratings are available to determine who has the bigger draw in television.
    When the Pac was turned down by UT and OU. They had choices of Vegas, SLC, Denver, and Boise for expansion they chose the largest.
    CB in your reply to USA lover. Utah football was valued more than BYU not the athletic department so please quote correctly.
    I actually looked up Paul Brewers formula it is mainly based off of this years revenue. Utah had 7 home games which in turn generates a lot more revenue. Based on Forbes formula Utahs ranking is quite different.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 11:43 a.m.

    @ Chris B and SoonerUte,

    You know, there IS probably evidence to suggest that BYU officials want independence. As for fans, I think it's probably split.

    We're gonna have to agree-to-disagree because there are more BYU fans outside of Utah than there are Utah fans. And it's not even close, boys. I've lived in 6 states. It's just a fact. Utah is mostly a commuter school and BYU is packed with students from all over the globe. I went to both schools...actually played sports at both schools.

    As for any frustration, I admit to...none. Life is pretty good for me and I don't really get as emotional as y'all over these things. The narcissism to be "special" and "better" is frankly astounding and prohibits any rational view of facts.

    Either way, BYU needs to start winning more games in the big 2 sports and Utah somehow has to develop the other 18 sports to a respectable level. Both schools have positives, both are flawed.

    But the ether-induced grandiosity in the minds of Utah fans reminds me so much of the same in BYU fans of the 80's. Each to his/her own...

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    Jan. 9, 2014 11:38 a.m.

    Chris B, I don't recall any of your comments before the PAC-10.2 came calling, but I have to guess you were righteously indignant about the inherent unfairness of the whole process of choosing a national champion, right? Even though you love to crow about your "BCS glory," the stranglehold the "power" conferences have on the world of college football kept Utah out of the title picture twice despite an undefeated record.

    Is it just a case of "if you can't beat them, join them"? If it was wrong for the "traditional powers" to control the landscape before, why isn't it wrong now? Or am I wrong about you and you actually supported the whole BCS process from the beginning?

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Jan. 9, 2014 11:36 a.m.

    @ CB
    I have actually been in on negotiations for multi-year, multi-million dollar contracts.
    A mid-contract negotiation occurs every once in a while, but in big business not a lot.CFB is Billions
    When I agree to a multi-year deal I don't renegotiate it unless I see a lot of extra money.
    An educated individual would understand that very few TV markets would add over 40 million in revenue a year let alone adding 2 such markets(what is needed for the Big 12 schools to break even), and Utah is not one of those markets (ranked in the low 100's).
    Utah added some revenue, but is the 10th largest market in the Pac-12, (that is why Utah is relegated to the Pac-12 network which is estimated to generate 1-2 million a year per school)

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 11:02 a.m.

    USA Lover,

    Its all about money my friend.

    If you had a chance to make a deal with person A or person B and you had similar political feelings as person A but the deal with person B would make you a whole lot more money, which would you do?

    Similarly, use the excuse of political differences all you want, it about money.

    And Utah was deemed to be more valuable than byu to the Pac 12 and valuable enough for an invite.

    byu was deemed less valuable than byu and not valuable enough to either the Pac 12 or the Big 12.


    Go read the KSL article last week that showed Utah has a more valuable athletic department than byu. Disagree? Take it up with the authors of that study. But I'm going to trust the experts opinions over yours.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 10:58 a.m.

    USAlover - "you know darn well that political agendas played a huge role in BYU's exclusion"
    I don't know that.

    Are you calling the LDS Church's control of BYU football a "political agenda"? BYU wasn't forced into independence because the PAC12 didn't pick them. Independence was the goal all along. The LDS Church envisions BYU as "Notre Dame of the West" with wide appeal to fans across the country. They could then leverage a popular football team to help "spread the word".

    Staying in the MWC or getting lost in the PAC12 doesn't help achieve that vision.

    As a football fan, I'm sure you are frustrated. You see the football landscape changing and don't want to be left out. But don't blame the "political agenda" of others, when that has nothing to do with it.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 10:58 a.m.


    Simple logic tells us that with better and more teams that increase the value of the Big 12, the Big 12 would then be in position to negotiate an increased tv package. And if you know anything about business, you will know that contracts are re-negotiated even mid-contract ALL the time

    If the big 12 added some big time schools(like Notre Dame as they wish) they would absolutely be able to get more money in their tv contracts.

    And as you mention, the Pac 12 wanted Utah and Colorado to get more money in their TV deals.

    They could have proceeded as a 10 team conference but decided Utah added enough value to invite.

    The Big 12 could have added byu if they added enough value.

    But they don't.

    Anyone who knows anything about how college football works understands this simple concept.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 10:49 a.m.

    @ red.diehard,

    No flames from me brother. I think the litmus test is if the University of Utah was an independent, would they have a contract with ESPN?

    Bill Rasmussen, CEO of ESPN, last week said, "BYU's following around this country, due to graduates from all 50 states, and nearly 2/3's the worlds countries, as well as the faithful following among it's church members, make BYU a financial windfall for TV executives. 2 years later, we remain very happy with our contract and have every intention of continuing it in the future."

    Is that a logical rebuttal?

  • RSLfanalways West Valley, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 10:36 a.m.

    I like how Chris now wants to exclude other confernces from the playoffs even though it was the University of Utah that pushed for the BCS to change to a playoff since they were excluded when they were in the MWC.

  • Bored to the point of THIS! Ogden, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 10:31 a.m.

    I love how the DNews always reports anything with a "Utah" twist....


  • RSLfanalways West Valley, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 10:25 a.m.

    I am not a BYU Fan, but Chris, BYU has the a lot more viewers or fans than the Ute's. And viewership is the biggest money maker for conferences. Not playng on sunday is what hurts them. And your comments about gay marriage on some articles on DSNEWS, shows you are very conservative like BYU.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 10:17 a.m.

    @ Chris B,

    I'd love to see more statistics to back your opinion because I clearly don't think Utah, or Colorado, brings more fan dollars to the PAC 12 than BYU would. Sorry, not even close, and even my Crimson Club Member buddies agree with me on that one.

    BYU's prowess in volleyball, tennis, golf and track and field (does the U have a track and field team?) are HUGE PAC 12 sports and are clearly superior to what the U has in those sports.

    For every Ute fan in California and Arizona, there are probably 25 or 30 BYU fans who would buy tickets at games in those states.

    Again, pal, I don't have a bone to pick with your, or your hatred of BYU. But I just got a sneaky suspicion that you know darn well that political agendas played a huge role in BYU's exclusion because nearly EVERY EXPERT knows BYU would have brought more dollars than both Utah and Colorado, regardless of what your "latest report" shows.

    And for record, 4 years later...BYU has won as many PAC 12 Championships in every sport as the University of Utah.


  • red.diehard Central, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 10:10 a.m.


    I am not sure that more money would flow into the PAC12 if BYU was in the PAC12. The PAC12 already dominates in the money department with those areas without BYU. Really, are there that many people that are not fans of the local teams that are fans of BYU, hardly.

    The brand of BYU is touted insufferably on these comment boards BUT they obviously are not that big of a brand. Why, if the BYU brand is sooo large, are all of the other sports relegated to WCC poverty? I really doubt the efficacy of football independence when taken as a whole. Even the truly powerful football independent Notre Dame has realized that, BYU should reexamine this whole paradigm or they will be left behind.

    Spare me the flames but thoughtful rebuttals are always welcome.

  • Aggiealum Las Vegas, NV
    Jan. 9, 2014 10:05 a.m.

    @ Chris B

    "I have a better idea:

    The big conferences will decide how things work, with only big conference teams going to the playoffs."

    For the Big conferences to decide how things work, they would need to leave the NCAA. With recent articles that doesn't sound like it's going to happen, and I don't mean short-term but long-term as well. I can see why. There would be a huge lawsuit in their hands that most likely would result with them losing the case. In most cases, the 4 teams will be from the previous BCS conferences, but another Boise State-like (and Utah-like when in MWC) team will pop up again and rattle the cages. Every time we think it doesn't, we get proven wrong time after time. Cinderella stories will always be around in due time.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Jan. 9, 2014 9:50 a.m.

    @ CB
    BYU and the Big 12 situation is completely different.
    The Big 12 has a TV contract in place and it is more lucrative per University than the Pac-12s'. Why expand when it is not for the financial benefit of the Schools?
    The Pac-12 was entering negotiations for a new tv contract, they invited Oklahoma and Texas and were declined so the pac-12 saved face by adding Colorado and Utah BEFORE tv negotiations began. (how embarrassing for the pac-12 to try to expand and it fail, so they invited lesser but still quality schools)
    Any source with a decent education knows that BYU's exclusion from the Pac-12 is because of the type of university it is. Would Utah have been able to get an exclusive ESPN contract, highly unlikely.
    Why would a conference add teams after a set dollar amount has been reached?
    They would lose a lot of money.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 9:46 a.m.

    @Casey See - I don't think playoff games going to be on Sunday because of NFL playoffs. Not going to happen and those four mega conferance should not ignore BYU. BUT they do see BYU will never play on Sunday might push us to the side still.

    Mr Sanderson said "Personally, I think the new system will give more opportunities to the Pac-12, Big 12 and Big Ten to get into that playoff." Well, you are the u guy and hoping those four big leaque teamS will be in the playoff forever. Why don't you say why not 8 or 16 team playoff? And if they do expand, will it be sometime 100 years later?

    And for Chris B. U have not played in the Big Bowl or any Bowl games YET when "u" got in the pac 11. So, when are u (not you Chris) going to win many games against your league?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 9:44 a.m.

    USA Lover,

    At the end of the day its about MONEY. Always has been, always will be.

    If byu added enough MONEY to the Pac 12 or Big 12 to justify an invite, byu would have an invitation.

    Utah added enough value(MONEY) to get an invite. Byu did not, to either the Pac 12 or Big 12.

    I don't disagree there are philosophical differences, but money speaks louder than anything. And again, byu does not add the value you think.

    Perhaps you saw the latest report showing the VALUE of different universities in the country. Utah was in the top 50 in the nation.

    byu was not.

    Sorry to burst your bubble

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 9:44 a.m.

    Had it not been for teams like BYU and their performance over many years the BCS never would have happened. BYU killed the Bowl Alliance after the 14-1 1996 season which led to Congressional hearings and to the BCS.

    BYU will find a place. The NFL rules Sundays and college won't encroach much there, at least for football. But Sunday play is probably more about basketball than football anyway. PAC12 didn't want BYU, probably more for academic/research reasons that for fanbase or Sunday play, but the fanbase is enormous on the west coast. No wonder WCC was more than happy to welcome even a temporary BYU membership. Major conferences, if they expand, will be silly to not include BYU; imagine the breadth of the Big12 if BYU were a member, they'd have a good TV draw nationally but most importantly right over the top of the PAC12's domain.

  • xenofred Lehi, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 9:43 a.m.

    I want to personally thank Matt Sanderson, Matthew Martinez, Chad Pehrson, Bentley Peay and Bryson Morgan for their work in bringing down the BCS. For the longest time, I was so frustrated with this legalized monopoly in college football that was somehow allowed to serve to the advantage of some schools/conferences while to the disadvantage others. It always seemed highly inappropriate at best, and perhaps illegal. A playoff system is the only way to go. I think it will expand to 16 teams and you will have 12 to 14 mega conferences with a few slots available for a few deserving teams that qualify for the slot (from their play on the field), most likely from the powerhouse conferences. In other words, I think it will mirror the NFL in many respects.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 9:21 a.m.

    @ Chris B,

    The PAC 12 doesn't want BYU for all the reasons that you despise politically. I've seen your other posts on political matters and your disdain for liberals and progressives is part and parcel the reason why BYU would never be invited.

    As such, you're at war with your own values. The LDS's stance on gay marriage, for example, was a nail in the coffin of any hope of joining the PAC 12. The "liberal" Universities of the Bay Area and Northwest would be less inclined to do business with a conservative religious University like BYU, even though the money would flow in abundance from such a relationship. The BYU fan base in Arizona and California would far exceed interest in the University of Utah...by maybe 10x.

    I know you're dislike for BYU and the joy you feel from their exclusion is quite obvious, but somewhere deep down, you know why it is and your better self would probably call it for what it is...political bias.

  • Cool Cat Cosmo Payson, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 9:20 a.m.

    @ SoonerUte

    Agreed; this is simply another ruse by the BCS to pretend that things have really changed, when it reality they've just tweaked it a bit.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 9:12 a.m.


    You are aware the Pac 12 faced a similar situation of evaluating whether it was worth it to invite Utah right?

    Apparently the Pac 12 decided Utah added enough value to the Pac 12 to justify an invitation.

    And apparently the Big 12 decided byu did NOT add enough value to justify an invitation.

    I'm sorry.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 9:01 a.m.

    Will all respect to "the BCS killer" for his efforts, the BCS isn't going away, it just evolved. They're adding two bowl games for the playoffs, and the non-AQ's still get one "BCS" slot. The BCS by any other name still smells exclusionary.

  • sharpgwx WOODS CROSS, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 9:00 a.m.

    I would like to thank the people for their efforts. I hope they were successful. I am concerned that we will still have the 2 tier system in the FBS. I am concerned about the “experts” on the selection panel and their biases. I do not want to see 2 or more teams from the same conference in the playoffs. There may be exceptions, but the Alabama-LSU championship game was a waste of time. I agree with Casey See about the 4 mega conferences taking this over. 4 mega conferences in the BCS division with the other 60+ in another division may be better. It will still leave some teams on the outside who may belong on the inside. It is still all about the money and control.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 8:58 a.m.



    The MWC and the Pac 12 are hardly the same quality of leagues. It would be ludicrous to give them equal treatment(one automatic bid each for winner).

    I have a better idea:

    The big conferences will decide how things work, with only big conference teams going to the playoffs.

    The "leftover" teams can form their own division II championship game if they'd like.

    And hey, I think byu and usu would be serious division II contenders

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    Jan. 9, 2014 8:54 a.m.

    Just win. with honor, and the system will be the best for BYU.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Jan. 9, 2014 8:52 a.m.

    @ Casey See
    Where is your information from the tabloids?
    Several major conferences have state that they do not want to expand more.
    In face many members of the SEC did not want to expand, but did so in order to get their own tv network and keep it entertaining (Pac-12 programming gets a little boring). A couple presidents have stated they want to be at 10 teams.
    The soonest 16 team leagues would occur is around 2027 when the ACC's grant of rights expires.
    The Big 10 would be the only conference that would look at that before 2026 (most likely), but they have some strict rules on membership (AAU, land-grant institutions).
    Adding a school to the Big 12 right now would cost the other schools 30 to 40 million per school added dollars in revenue a year, so to add a title game costs 60 to 80 million dollars to generate about 17 million from a title game. (not a good investment)
    The new college playoff may push the Big 12 to expansion, if the Big 12 consistently gets left out (due to the lack of a title game) then they will likely expand because playoff revenue dwarfs what was the BCS in payouts.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Jan. 9, 2014 8:50 a.m.

    Great article. BYU can proudly say they never had a finger in the most corrupt sports organization every to see our planet. It's sad when some programs boast of their meager achievements in that corruption. It's a sad day when ordinary citizens have to break up a horrible organization while NCAA sits on its duff letting it happen. Good for these guys. They just made many millionaires unhappy knowing it will be harder for them to add to their fortunes now.

  • MN Doug Rochester, MN
    Jan. 9, 2014 8:39 a.m.

    Casey See, I actually agree that your prediction about the super-conferences has merit (it's an idea that's been floated around the past few years by many college football writers). However, I think it will be 5 superconferences (thanks for playing AAC, ie, the conference formerly known as the Big East).
    Also, I'm not sure where the Sunday Championship game comes into play, except in basketball. College Football will never challenge the monster that is the NFL with a regular Sunday game during the NFL season - Never. In fact, College Football is already losing ratings to the NFL because the NFL added permanent Thursday games.
    When these conferences continue to expand, BYU has a good shot to be added somewhere (Big 12, perhaps?).

  • Jared from CT SOUTHBURY, CT
    Jan. 9, 2014 8:17 a.m.

    Here's how to keep smaller conferences intact (a megaconference system would suck) and make the system fair:

    A 16 team playoff, with the conference champion from each major conference (13 of them I believe) automatically qualifying, and 3 at large bids. Would take 4 weeks to play, which is plenty of time between the end of the regular season and the end of "bowl" season. Still have bowls for the good teams that don't make the playoffs. Yeah, the champion would have to win 4 games, but if I'm not mistaken, that's what division II football does.

    With such a system you would see teams staying in their conferences, and conferences no longer expanding. Traditional rivalries (those few that are left) would remain intact, and new rivalries would have some life. The conference schedule would actually be meaningful, and a single loss, whether in conference or out, wouldn't kill your season.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 7:48 a.m.


    I think you are mostly right. I don't see a conference even giving byu an invite at all though.

    I know the PAC 12 doesn't want byu. If we did, we would have offered an invite

    And as bad as the big 12 wants a championship game, they apparently would rather NOT invite byu than have a championship game. That doesn't speak favorably of what they think of byu.

    As for me, the bcs treated us appropriately.

    Any team that earned a big time bowl got in.

    I loved enjoying bcs glory. Twice. Go utes

  • Casey See FLOWER MOUND, TX
    Jan. 9, 2014 6:20 a.m.

    Unfortunately for BYU, the playoff system is going to shut it out. Not because of wins / losses, instead, they won't get into a conference. Here is what I see. There is a growing ground swell to create 4 sixteen team mega conferences. It will be from these conferences that the playoff teams will be decided.

    This will create 64 elite football schools and 60+ other previous division 1 football schools. While most of the time, the national championship team would come typically from one of these schools, this new format will guarentee that it does. For BYU, these leagues will require the potential of a sunday championship game, which BYU will not agree to and they will say, "Great, we really didn't want you, but now we can say we gave you a chance, and you rejected it."

    So now we will have three different levels of college football. The new national championship league, the "other formaly BCS schools", and the formerly FCS or Division II schools.

    I may be wrong, but I suspect that is what is going to happen next.

  • gittalopctbi Glendale, AZ
    Jan. 9, 2014 1:30 a.m.