Ryan Teeples: New college bowl system drastically alters BYU, Utah, USU bowl prospects

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  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 13, 2014 7:43 a.m.

    @Nellie should have proof read...

    The last sentence in my first response whould have read: "They also wanted to verify that our athletic program was NOT financially dependent on the church."

    Point 2 should have read: "We were an Invitee that would have similar rights as other conference members... not superior rights"...

    Sorry, should have caught this stuff the first time.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 12, 2014 11:14 p.m.

    part III for Nellie...

    I'm going to give you a thumbs up because I like your attitude...

    But in conclusion, a team is only going to be as good as their players and if a team can't compete for the highest level players then it is very unlikely that they will be able to compete on a National stage with the very best... (having said that, I believe we have good coaches which make up for some of that but not all of it)...

    So, if we are not able to be in a conference where we compete against the best (and in the future that is the only way that we will get games with the best due to the Mega-Conference Movement) our talent will dwindle, people will lose interest, and that will cause ESPN to lose interest which will leave us in possibly the worst position possible A lowly Division I conference with a steady diet (schedule) of non-Mega Conference teams and the only television that we will get is BYU TV... Except for a rare game here or there (such as a bowl game)...

    We need to be in a Mega-Conference

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 12, 2014 11:01 p.m.

    Part II for Nellie...

    "Exposure" does not mean a presence on TV from midnight to 3AM Eastern against Idaho State, New Mexico State, Savanah State, etc. Which are typical for our home November Schedules... "Exposure" means playing for something in front of people who are interested in watching the game (not just the Cougar faithful).

    The church is not the only ones interested in "Exposure"... Recruits are also very interested in "Exposure" because most of them have a dream to play at the next level... Consequently they want to play against other top quality recruits to test their medal and to impress... That doesn't include November games with Idaho State, etc... If they come to BYU today they have no chance of playing for a National Championship, heck they can't even play for a Conference Championship let alone getting any "All Conference Recognition"... That type of "Exposure" comes through playing in an Elite Conference...

    That's why we are only seeing 3* and 2* athletes come to BYU... We even have trouble getting young men members who are 4* and 5* committing to BYU and we really should be a no brainer for them.

    I blame Holmoe because he's the AD.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 12, 2014 10:45 p.m.

    @woah Nellie... Based on what you have written I'd say I know a lot more about college athletics than you do and I would be happy to compare resumes... But let's not quibble over who knows what... Let's talk Logic and deal with the facts that we know to be facts...

    1) The B12 was very interested in having us join their conference after losing TAMU... In fact they flew from the Executive Airport in North Dallas to meet with our people (not sure of all of them but I hear that it included Samuelson and Holmoe along with some Attorneys representing the BOT... We said we'd be interested with 4 reservations: No Sundays; OU and Texas had to formally agree to stay in the League for a period certain; and we wanted Rebroadcasting rights for our games (24 or 48hours)... They also wanted to verify that our athletic program was financially dependent on the church.

    2) The B12 walked and immediately invited TCU to send a clear message... "We were an Invitee with similar rights as other conference members...

    3) A similar break down occurred with the Big East (over TV rights)...

    If I am wrong, please prove it.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2014 5:48 p.m.

    @ steve84088

    Erickson coached Wyoming for one year, in 1986. Since then he has been the head man at Washington St., Miami, Seattle Seahawks, Oregon St., San Francisco 49ers, Idaho, and Arizona St.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Jan. 10, 2014 7:39 a.m.

    "...Wyoming coach Dave Christensen coming in to run the offense...."

    Yeah, 'cause the national press is all buzzing about the offense Wyoming puts on the field.

    Utah - No bowl in 2014, for the third straight year
    USU - A Mediocre bowl if they have a stellar season, a lower tier bowl if not.
    BYU - If they go undefeated (snicker), a former BCS bowl. If not, they'll go bowling (better than Utah's fate), but it won't be pretty. Maybe they limp into the Hawaii bowl...

    Meanwhile, the Oregon Ducks will again vie for a National Championship, beating Stanford and Washington, who have to travel to Autzen, and taking the PAC-12 Championship. In fact their toughest game next year might be Michigan State in pre-season play. But did you see how they tore Texas apart in the Alamo Bowl? I did, I was there. THAT's how you go bowling and end a season!

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 9:29 p.m.

    To me it seems that if the "Y" takes care of business they should do OK. I realize they are not going major bowling for the foreseeable future. It ain't in the cards, tea leaves or what ever you look at for a sign.

    The "Y's" biggest problem is taking care of business, winning football games. For some reason they lay more eggs than a duck on steroids.

    I have secretly become an Aggie fan. They seem to approach the game with some spirit and zest. The Y, not so much.

    Utah may overcome the problem of being located in the "fly-over"zone and get enough D1 recruits to break even and go to a bowl game and win it.

    Someone said that the "Y" would never drop athletics,Ricks now BYU-I used to have intercollegiate athletics, not now. There's enough scandal lurking around major college athletics (IMHO) that one or two more high profile events could give the board of trustees reason to pull the plug and drop athletics or drop to D-II or FBS. Money and image are important.

    Life is more important than football, really.

  • SportzFan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 5:12 p.m.

    @ Christine

    "Major" conferences

    Big 10
    Big 12
    Prop 8

    Four are not a geographic match for BYU. EVERYONE knows why they didn't get invited to the fifth.

  • golf tooele, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 2:38 p.m.

    Next year there will be 3 games that matter. All three local schools could be in them as long as they schedule for it. As of now Utah will be the only one that could or would deserve a shot based on their schedule.

  • DickG Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 9, 2014 1:19 p.m.

    As could have been predicted, Utah's entry into the PAC 12 foreshadowed years of struggles, ala Arizona State and Arizona when they went to the PAC 10 as it was called then.

    With that in mind, Utah would be insane to consider getting rid of coach Wittingham just because of these struggles. He is, in my opinion, one of the great coaches in college football, and I'm a big BYU fan. I have nothing but respect for what he has done with the Utah program. Sunny day Utah fans need to be realistic about the future, and it isn't bright in that conference, nor would it be for BYU!!!

  • Stang08 Southern, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 1:15 p.m.


    You are right. Here's the thing though, while you are hoping to get into the Orange Bowl SUU is competing for a playoff spot to crown a real National Champion. Do things the way the FCS does and let's talk. The bowl system is flawed and a playoff system is the way to go.

  • steve84088 Orem, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 12:51 p.m.

    romeisn'tburning you said "Bringing in a 2 time national champion head coach as a coordinator, and now a positions coach shows how far we've come from a lowly WAC/MWC team. Dennis Erickson would never accept a head coach offer from a WAC/MWC conference school, yet he is a positions coach at the U."

    Check your facts. Erickson is a former head coach at........U of Wyo..

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 12:37 p.m.


    "....despite your claim to being a BYU grad you are in fact a hater ,,," Being a BYU grad and being a BYU hater are not mutually exclusive. I am neither. I went to BYU but transferred and I am not a "hater"; however, from my experiences at both the Y and the U I truly am a Utah Man!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 11:27 a.m.


    "the U was bowless but look at their SoS. BYU's was horrible"

    That witless comment invalidated anything else you posted. BYU's SOS was certainly not "horrible", in fact it was ranked in the 30's and was better than just about every team that played in a bcs bowl this year. I've read your stuff enough to know that despite your claim to being a BYU grad you are in fact a hater and use every opportunity to show it with your comments. This last one was easily shown to be false.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Jan. 9, 2014 11:06 a.m.

    Its not the new playoff system but Bronco that alters byu's hopes of ever being a good football team

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 10:25 a.m.

    You know about as much as I do about BYU athletics and why or why not they should be included in a major conference, and that knowledge is absolutely zero. You have no idea what Tom Holmoe is allowed to pursue by those in control of BYU so don't expose yourself with comments about what a good AD at BYU could or should do. Perhaps your moniker should be 'Sergeant Schultz.'

    Name one mediocre team from any major conference that has as much exposure as BYU. In fact, name one team that is above average but less than the best (best being teams such as Texas, Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon, etc.) from any conference that gets as much exposure as BYU.

    In closing, this is the first time I have ever agreed with anything Howard S. has ever written.

  • ZorroPC Park City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 9:20 a.m.

    The payout to schools for Bowl participation is published each year. Even the most obscure bowl more than covers any cost to the school. They are major income sources for the schools and their athletic programs. The successful football program help offset the money draining programs mandated by Title Nine. This year the National Championship bowl paid $18 million per team. The least was the Idaho Famous Potato Bowl which paid $325 grand per team.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 9:10 a.m.

    Lloyd Christmas
    Salt Lake City, UT

    ... and that one in a million is still a better chance than BYU has. A team in no conference with a horribly weak schedule has NO CHANCE.

  • ZorroPC Park City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 9:08 a.m.

    I think that BYU over estimated their built in fan base. The only team that has successfully navigated the independent ranks is Norte Dame who has a built in fan base several times that of BYU. Penn State tried in for several years and it cost them bowl games and a couple of national championships. While the program may be financially OK, the players are being robbed of he national recognition they deserve.

  • Lloyd Christmas Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 8:58 a.m.

    What's really comical in all of this is, given Utah's track record 3 years (and about 10 offensive coordinators) running in the PAC 10+2 their fans still are under some delusion that they actually have a chance to be anything in the new playoff system. What, one in a million? So you're saying there is a chance!

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 8:42 a.m.

    @CWEB..."I must admit, however, how much I am enjoying watching the Utah program flip-flop like a fish out of water. It does the heart good! How many coordinators? A new Quarterback from... uh, Wyoming? A very bright future I see!"

    If I were you I would enjoy watching the U to seeing how they completley own your team...LOL


    Do a little research before you want to post something like the U hasn't beat a pac12 team with a winning record since last century....A little bit off what you said seeing it happened just a couple months ago....By the way to you and all cougie fans...SCOREBOARD 4 straight 9 of 12 overall domination...Cougies don't even have basketball anymore sad time to be a cougie fan...LOL

  • Casey See FLOWER MOUND, TX
    Jan. 9, 2014 8:08 a.m.

    The playoff system is going to shut BYU out. Not because of wins / losses, instead, they won't get into a conference. Here is what I see. There is a growing ground swell to create 4 sixteen team mega conferences. It will be from these conferences that the playoff teams will be decided.

    This will create 64 elite football schools and 60+ other previous division 1 football schools.
    While most of the time, the national championship team would come typically from one of these schools, this new format will guarentee that it does. For BYU, these leagues will require the potential of a sunday championship game, which BYU will not agree to and they will say, "Great, we really didn't want you, but now we can say we gave you a chance, and you rejected it."

    So now we will have three different levels of college football. The new national championship league, the "other formaly BCS schools", and the formerly FCS or Division II schools.

    I may be wrong, but I suspect that is what is going to happen next

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 7:56 a.m.

    Every time Utah wins it is a fluke.

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 7:17 a.m.

    Good luck to all the teams from Utah next season. BYU will be in a bowl, the fans will greatly support them and everyone will be happy. Go cougars.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Jan. 9, 2014 6:06 a.m.

    @Senic view..... the U was bowless but look at their SoS. BYU's was horrible, and when they did face a real team (other than a home field fluke with Texas), the Y was terrible. They even lost to Virginia, which was the worst of the worst of the ACC.

    Now I am not being anti-BYU. I went to both the Y and U, and like both schools. But to pretend any BYU fan should be puffing up their chest is funny at best. The Y needs to figure out a way to improve the program. Next years schedule is about as fluffy as they get. For example, playing Savannah second to last game - are you kidding me? Who approved that game?

    The U has a much clearer path forward. They just need to execute. The Y - with their schedule on the other hand- even if they do execute, will not be taken seriously playing the teams they have lined up. It would be great for Utah for all three programs to succeed. I see the path forward the most challenging for the Y though. No conference playoff.... no championship slot even slightly possible.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 9, 2014 3:38 a.m.

    We need to be in a Major Conference, plain and simple... A good AD would be able to make that happen... He'd be able take the Cougars history of athletic and financial success and parlay that into an "invite"... The fact that this hasn't happened makes me think that Mr. Holmoe's network is not as strong as we all thought it was, or he is not as persuasive enough with our own BOT to engineer the needed compromises (shy of Sunday play).

    The BOT claim that one of the main "drivers" of BYU's Athletic program is "Exposure" and an "Ability to compete at the highest levels"... Seems to me that that only happens if we gain membership in an Elite Conference"... That would give us the ability to play for Conference Championships, allow our Recruits a chance to play for all-conference recognition, and it would draw the attention of the masses far better than playing OOC games and/or Idaho State in November.

    We should be willing to compromise of TV rights, show our athletic financials if requested, and make no demands other than "No Sunday Games"... Bet you Danny Ainge could get it done.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 12:00 a.m.

    @ Uteanymous

    "Call us the first time Utah beats a PAC team with a winning record. It hasn't happened since last century."

    This past October Utah beat Stanford, who finished 11-3. Not to be redundant, but that wasn't last century.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 11:27 p.m.

    "What BYU has going for it in this odd predicament is its relationship with ESPN."
    And just how would that work, exactly?

    Take the Texas Bowl, for example, which contractually matches the Big 10 #6 vs Big 12 #6.
    Sure, if those teams didn't meet eligibility, BYU could be swapped in.
    But if they're eligible, would ESPN swoop in and say "Sorry Big12! We need you to step aside and forego your 1.7 million payout, so that we can put BYU in there."
    That seems highly unlikely.

    Puffing up the relationship with ESPN grants a sad, false hope to Cougar fans.
    Its not exclusive. ESPN has contracts with other teams too.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 8, 2014 11:26 p.m.

    Salt Lake City, Utah


    Utah isn't even good enough to qualify for the Dixie Rotary Bowl.

    Call us the first time Utah beats a PAC team with a winning record. It hasn't happened since last century.



    #10 Stanford (11-3) 24
    Utah 27

    What will alter college football drastically is if the Big 5 splits. BYU still could end up in the Big 12 but Utah State?

  • autahmanami Lehi, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 11:02 p.m.

    @CWEB - Utah's transition to the Pac-12 has certainly been an adjustment to be sure, though they have been unfortunate with to be plagued with many injuries to key positions and some very closes losses. I fully expect Utah to be competing for their division with success within a few short years at most. Though if we are gauging success now be the tally of wins and losses, then BYU is a pathetic case for a football team as they have not only been beat 3 times in a row, but blown out in two of those 3 games 2 of which were on BYU' home field to a middle sub 500 Pac-12 team. Utah is significantly closer to a PAC-12 championship than BYU could even dream of being to there next national championship. So I like you have enjoyed watching as BYU chokes each and every year to a Utah team that they the the BYU players and coaching no longer believe they can beat.

  • androol Queen Creek, AZ
    Jan. 8, 2014 10:33 p.m.

    ChristopherB - BYU cannot just choose to join a conference, it must be invited. There is a reason why BYU has not been invited into the PAC-12 or Big-12. For the PAC-12, BYU does not meet the academic standards of the PAC-12. I am not stating that BYU is not a great academic school (obviously it is), but all PAC-12 members are AAU institutions and are generally regarded as major research institutions. BYU is not regarded as a major research university. Also the PAC-12 schedules a lot of events on Sundays. Sundays is one of the big obstacles with the Big-12 as well. For what ever strengths people in Utah believe BYU has, clearly the Big-12 and Pac-12 have not viewed their strengths as being worth enough to overcome the other issues BYU brings to the table, otherwise the invites would have been forthcoming many years ago.

  • Cougarbaseball Rifle, CO
    Jan. 8, 2014 9:58 p.m.


    What do you mean "the way BYU faired against national teams"? Norte Dame, Wisconsin, and Washington aren't the only national teams. I believe 8 of BYU's regular season opponents played in bowl games and BYU won 6 of those games including Texas, Georgia Tech, Boise State, Utah State, and Houston.

  • Eagles63 Provo, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 9:48 p.m.

    I have four quick points to make. One, sport is great. What other "controlled" venue do you have the opportunity to test yourself physically and prepare for the less controlled world of business, parenthood, etc. Do away with sport, you might as well do away with life.

    Two, Utah is too small a market for three programs. Do the math. Size of Utah: 2.9 million. Size of California 38.3 million. Number of D1 Schools in Utah: 6 (seriously, there are). California: 24. That's a ratio of 3:1 based on comparative population. Number of D1 FBS Schools: Utah: 3 California: 7. That's a ridiculous ratio of 6:1 based on comparative population.

    Three, we must consolidate to 1 FBS school in this state. See Wisconsin. 20th in size in the nation. One FBS School. Utah, 33rd in Size 3 FBS. Washington: 13 in size. 2 FBS schools. Wake up Utah. We must consolidate.

    I vote for one Football program in the State. I'm a BYU fan, but Utah has the right conference. Imagine if you took the best players from the Aggies, BYU and Utah. Now, we're talking.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 8, 2014 9:46 p.m.


    Utah isn't even good enough to qualify for the Dixie Rotary Bowl.

    Call us the first time Utah beats a PAC team with a winning record. It hasn't happened since last century.

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Jan. 8, 2014 9:13 p.m.

    Stang0, it's a better likelihood than SUU going to any bowl...

  • fivejazzfans Meridian, ID
    Jan. 8, 2014 8:38 p.m.

    I don't think it is that big of a longshot to see USU as the #1 non-AQ team. IN 2012, USU was the #2 non-AQ team (behind NIU which was curb stomped in the Orange Bowl vs. Florida State in the Orange Bowl). A shanked FG against Wisonsin OR a 6-3 loss to BYU was the difference between the Orange and Spud Bowls.

  • Stang08 Southern, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 8:18 p.m.

    So it's not called the bowl system but that's essentially what it is. And a certain team going to the Orange bowl is seriously unlikely. It's to big a bowl.

  • 4blade2007 Provo, Utah
    Jan. 8, 2014 7:30 p.m.

    ChristopherB, FYI BYU is a private university. They make their own rules, including not playing on Sunday. As much as you and "pagan" love to stir the pot about a rivalry, BYU and Utah are miles and miles apart except for the actual miles between SLC and Provo.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 6:44 p.m.

    Here are the 8 bowls that ESPN owns:

    Texas Bowl
    Sheraton Hawaii Bowl
    Las Vegas Bowl
    Armed Forces Bowl
    Beef O’ Brady Bowl
    Compass Bowl
    New Mexico Bowl
    Famous Idaho Potato Bowl

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 8, 2014 6:42 p.m.

    Let's recap BYU's 2014 schedule using the type of spin Utah fans used in 2008

    at UConn - former Big East team that Utah fans used to brag about beating - WIN
    at Texas - Big 12 runner up - toss up
    Virginia - member of the same conference as 2013 NC Florida St - WIN
    Houston - a team Utah has never beaten - WIN
    Utah State - MWC division winner - WIN
    at Central Florida - beat Big 12 champion in the Fiesta Bowl - toss up
    Nevada - Colin Kaepernick's former team - WIN
    at Boise State - another team Utah has never beaten since they moved to FBS - toss up
    at Mid Tenn St - 8-5, good enough to play in a bowl - WIN
    UNLV - a 10-loss team that shut out Utah 0-27 - WIN
    Savannah St - BYU's answer to Utah's steady stream of Big Sky opponents - WIN
    at California - a member of the "conference of champions" - WIN

    2014 BYU - 9-3 almost certain; 11-1 or 12-0 very possible

  • carver Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 6:34 p.m.

    Utah can't out recruit anybody in the Pac 12 other than Colorado. Good luck Utes. Go get em!

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 6:18 p.m.

    Chris B

    Let's recap Utah's bowl opponents for the last two seasons...


    remarkably similar to Utah's bowl opponents from 1965 to 1991.

    Obviously, not much has changed since Utah's WAC days.


    Why would the PAC 12 be calling BYU, when Utah is already doing such a nifty job of fulfilling its role as cannon fodder for the the big boys of the PAC to pad their conference records?

  • Kenster72 Fresno, CA
    Jan. 8, 2014 5:39 p.m.

    Correct me if I am wrong but BYU has the same chances as USU getting into a top tier bowl game. I believe its the highest ranked NON-AQ team. just like the u and USU take care of business and you get in.

  • Provo4Life PROVO, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 5:39 p.m.

    @romeisn'tburning so let me get this straight. you're bragging about bringing in a washed up 66 year old coach as a position coach. He was out of coaching for two years and the only reason he is a position coach is beacuse he couldn't cut it as an OC and was demoted. But, nice spin to make a positive.
    We'll take the wins in Laramie, they were obviously to hard to come by for your new OC as he was fired by Wyoming for losing.
    That sure sounds like you're headed in the right direction. The future will be even more bleak after Whittingham is fired next season. Onward and upward, no downward spiral more like it. Enjoy!

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 5:31 p.m.

    Anaheim, CA

    Thanks for your detailed, well thought out analysis of Utah's entire season. It's fun to analyze a team's potential as a member of a power conference, isn't it?

    Good luck playing the cupcakes in 2014.

  • JNA Layton, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 5:17 p.m.

    So really when you look at it, the BCS hasn't really gone away, it's just been repackaged. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck..then....well you know the rest. What a crock!

  • Bobster Boise, ID
    Jan. 8, 2014 5:13 p.m.

    Over the years since ASU and UA jumped to the PAC 8 to make it the PAC 10, how many national titles in football have these schools won? I can't think of any, although it may have happened. Utah and Colorado joined the same club. Even with new uniforms for every game, how many has Oregon won? I don't seem to recall any, but it may have happened. When it comes to national titles and the PAC 12, I just don't seem to recall too many in recent memory. The likely candidates have always been and likely always will be USC and UCLA, but mostly USC. Utah proved how close Stanford is to winning a title. Oregon State and the Washington schools aren't close either. BYU with a stellar independent line up has as good a chance as just about any team in the PAC 12. They will all need to have near perfect seasons to get to the final four. The SEC will likely have two spots reserved for them most years.

  • romeisn'tburning layton, ut
    Jan. 8, 2014 5:09 p.m.

    Man, I'm really glad that Utah made the jump to the PAC12 at the right time. It stings going 5-7 two years in a row but I like the direction the program is going. Bringing in a 2 time national champion head coach as a coordinator, and now a positions coach shows how far we've come from a lowly WAC/MWC team. Dennis Erickson would never accept a head coach offer from a WAC/MWC conference school, yet he is a positions coach at the U. The athletic department is building PAC12 caliber facilities, and they will pay big dividends in the future. Criticize us all you want, but at the end of the day we are where you wish you could be if you're a fan of another school in the state of Utah. You can have the all the wins in Murfeesboro or Laramie you want, we've move on to bigger and better things. Non PAC12 schools from Utah were 0-4 vs the PAC12 last year, and 0-2 vs the Utes. Good luck with trying to change that in the future.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 4:45 p.m.


    "It's like bragging about having membership at Costco".

    The only thing worse than that is cheering for a team that wants a Costco membership but whose requests have been denied time and time again.

    And yes, there is an implicit request daily from BYU to join a big conference. BYU wants to be in a big conference. And the big conferences know it.

    And yet none of us are calling to extend an invite.


  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 8, 2014 4:11 p.m.

    "Cool Cat Cosmo

    @ ChrisB: I know, right? The arrogance of BYU...(roll eyes) But see, if BYU were to join the PAC-12, then that would take all the glory away from U guys for being the only team in the state that's part of an elite conference...and BYU just isn't that mean."

    All Utah has left now is membership in the PAC-12. It's like bragging about having membership at Costco. Everyone else just rolls their collective eyes.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Jan. 8, 2014 4:01 p.m.

    Holmoe - "we're working on something new". Translation = independence has left us out in the cold and we are scrambling for crumbs.

    Go Utes!!

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Jan. 8, 2014 3:53 p.m.

    @ D Huber
    The department of education predicted the profit from BYU athletics in 2012 to be 7.41 million dollars.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 3:37 p.m.

    What this world does not need is another college bowl game. It really doesn't matter if any of the in state schools go to a bowl.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 3:36 p.m.


    Lets recap byu's power conference teams you play in 2014

    Cal(12th of 12 in Pac 12) LOL
    Virginia(dead last in ACC and they are better than you, byU is only division 1 team they beat) LOL

  • Cool Cat Cosmo Payson, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 3:18 p.m.

    @ ChrisB: I know, right? The arrogance of BYU...(roll eyes) But see, if BYU were to join the PAC-12, then that would take all the glory away from U guys for being the only team in the state that's part of an elite conference...and BYU just isn't that mean.

    So, for now we'll let you guys enjoy the glory for a little bit longer; we're enjoying independence, and it's working out alright for us. We certainly appreciate the invite though, and it's always nice to know that BYU and its fans will always have you as a friend up on the hill; we'll take a rain-check on the invite though...may come in handy later on ;)

  • CBAX Provo, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 3:06 p.m.

    The plus side to being the the pac12 is that you know exactly what you have to do to get the big time results.

  • truth serum Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 3:03 p.m.

    @DHuber - BYU and the LDS Church have always required the BYU sports programs to be self-sufficient, meaning they don't subsidize sports using church funds. Bowl or no bowl, BYU covers the cost of its sports programs and scholarships using ticket receipts, TV revenue and booster donations, most of which come from the football and basketball programs. Just FYI.

  • aggfan77 Shire, 00
    Jan. 8, 2014 2:59 p.m.

    CWEB I don't see Ute fans the same way you do. Well I see 1 but we all know what he is about! The rest of the fans are ok!!!

    Utes will be ok!!!

    Go Aggies!!!!!

  • Wolverine1 Blackfoot, ID
    Jan. 8, 2014 2:56 p.m.

    ChristopherB, your complete lack of understanding everything and anything BYU related as well as your lack of "understanding" in general completely explains your "I can't understand why BYU doesn't join a big boy conference?" comment. Besides, the "big boys" in the PAC 10+2 already have thier favorite conference "boy toys".

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 2:47 p.m.

    I believe the Dixie Rotary Bowl would be open for BYU. Everyone from Provo could enjoy a nice stay in St George for a weekend ....and maybe BYU could possibly even play a D1 school?? The way BYU fared this year against national teams I doubt bowl games are something Cougar fans need worry too much about for a while anyway. You have to actually start WINNING the games against the Wisconsin's and NoterDame's and Washington's etc... to even be in consideration for a remotely big bowl invite. Losing these games by an average of 10-14 pts shows BYU is not close.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Jan. 8, 2014 2:35 p.m.


    Please explain how being in the PAC 12 has improved Utah's bowl stock.

    2011 - OT win over a mediocre, 56th-ranked Ga Tech team
    2012 - bowl-less
    2013 - bowl-less
    2014 - likely bowl-less

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 2:33 p.m.

    Teeples takes the long way around to say that if Utah and Utah State take care of business they have legitimate bowl options... And BYU does not...

    BYU fans are waiting for an announcement about a currently uncertified Christmas Bowl for a one year is six appearance? Wow... Talk about slim pickings.

    And as for the implication that ESPN will help BYU into a game that it controls or broadcasts... Good luck...

    Each of those bowls are contractually tied to a conference (or another independent)... You really think those conference are going to allow their teams that earned a spot under those contracts to be displaced by BYU?

    Seems like other than the uncertified 3rd tier Christmas Bowl, the next best option for BYU is filling the spot for which a conference has no eligible team... Maybe...

    BYUs future bowl option appear alarmingly grim...

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 2:34 p.m.


    "And you had better face the reality Utah, you may never win a championship, or even come close. It is a very real possibility."

    Why are you so worried about Utah? You're right though, it could take many, many years to reach that pinnacle of success or one magical year not far down the road. No one knows for sure. That's what makes college sports fun.

    Now, CWEB, ask yourself this question...how long before byu wins a championship? The answer is it will never happen. Why? Because byu has no championship to play for. Where's the fun in that?

    Therefore...I suppose it makes perfect sense why you are so concerned with the Utes.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Jan. 8, 2014 2:32 p.m.

    It will be interesting if and where Utah teams will go next year.
    I think all 3 will be bowling with Utah probably the most unlikely to go bowling with their schedule.
    CB can't understand something why is that not a surprise.

  • Sports Are Great Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 2:32 p.m.

    @Dhuber, A guy by the named of Thomas Monson supports BYU having athletic teams. If he didn't, he(as Chairman of the Board of BYU) has the power to do away with them. As in all things, supporting what the President of the Church has decided is usually the way to go.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 2:30 p.m.

    Reality continued: Now BYU they have no shot at playoff or level one bowls, little shot at level two bowls and most likely a small shot at level three. BYU has SOS problems even in an undefeated season. They are left at the door begging for scraps and entry to the little kids table (third level) if there is an opening. Enjoy your independence cougars.

  • ChristoperB Salt Lake, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 2:30 p.m.


    Our chance of winning a title in a big time conference is a lot better than byU's!


    And in case you forgot, your chance of ever winning is 0%

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 2:28 p.m.

    Here is the reality of the new bowl system. The five major conferences will vie for the four team playoff. The any champion not getting in will fall to second level of what was the bcs bowls and the second place teams will fill out the rest of the second level. So by conference affiliation Utah has a shot at all the higher bowls plus an additional eight/nine contract third level bowls. Next Utah State, they have literally no shot of making it to the playoffs, and little shot of any major bowl game even one or two loss big Five conference teams will be in front of a undefeated MWC team. This year strength of schedule plays a part in the selection process, and the MWC will have too low a SOS to be considered. Thus the MWC has the five lesser bowls.

  • Kaladin Greeley, CO
    Jan. 8, 2014 2:26 p.m.

    DHuber - where do you folks come from? There are a few of you that post this way from time to time. Athletics are great for health and growth of young people, are enjoyable for fans, and bring in revenue. On top of that, the Church views them as a great missionary tool. How can you think for one moment BYU would consider dropping athletics?

  • Loud Loiterer Sandy, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 2:23 p.m.


    I'm not sure if you're account is a satire of the infamous "Chris B" (obnoxious Ute-lover), if it is then I totally support you! If that's not the case and your question is legitimate- BYU has to receive an invite from a big conference. Which probably wont happen in the near future. The Big 12 makes the most sense but BYU has ESPN contract money to consider, and conversely, the Big 12 would have to alter it's list of criteria that schools need to meet in order to be eligible to join their conference. As I understand it, the way the criteria is now, BYU is a long way from meeting those expectations.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Jan. 8, 2014 2:15 p.m.

    I haven't heard about Coach Anae leaving BYU, so my hopes for a great season with at least 10 wins and selection to a more prestigious of the bowls is very unlikely. The Cougars were embarrassed in their 2013 bowl. I always hope for great things, but my expectations the past 2 seasons have not been exceeded even keeping them very low. Good luck to all the Utah teams. I really hope the Utes can do enough to keep Whittingham around. I still see him as the best coach in the state. Go Utes, Aggies, and Cougars.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 2:15 p.m.


    BYU's athletic program is entirely self-supporting, in fact, BYU is one of the few schools whose program runs in the black.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 8, 2014 2:12 p.m.

    "So where would the bowl-bound Utes end up?"

    It's a moot point, since the Utes have almost no chance of qualifying for a bowl next season.

    Idaho State - win
    Fresno State - toss up
    at Michigan - LOSS
    Oregon State - toss up
    at UCLA - LOSS
    at Stanford - LOSS
    Arizona - LOSS
    Southern Cal - LOSS
    at Arizona State - LOSS
    Oregon - LOSS
    Washington State - toss up
    at Colorado - toss up

    With seven almost guaranteed losses, the Utes will have to sweep their toss ups and pull off at least one Stanford-like upset win just to get to 6-6.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    Jan. 8, 2014 2:09 p.m.

    I'm a realistic BYU fan. The chances of the Cougars having a 'phenomenal regular season' are about nil since that hasn't happened in over 10 years and that was in a weak conference. We've won exactly high level bowl game (Cotton) against highly ranked competition in our entire history. BYU missed a golden opportunity during the BCS era to make its mark and secure some "earned respect" by winning BCS bowls a la Utah, TCU and Boise State. All three schools moved into better conferences.

    I guess I'm just tired of hearing about where we might or should go and then not doing anything about it to get there. It would be better not to project and just get 'er done.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 2:00 p.m.

    Saying that ESPN has 8 bowls and then not naming them is SO ANNOYING!! What are the eight bowls that have ESPN ties?

    Utah State has the best shot next year at a top tier bowl. They finished the best and highest of the three state division one programs despite losing to them. No one in the MWC is over-powered and an auto-loss. Keaton is a known commodity and it wouldn't be surprising to see the team just out of the pre-season rankings in excellent position. I see them getting 10 or more wins.

    BYU will bowl somewhere. They also should post a ten win season next year. If they could get the problems fixed in the blue zone they could beat everyone on their schedule, but I am not convinced they can until it actually happens.

    Utah will have a whole new offense and QB next year. The SOS goes through the roof. The Utes will be underdogs all but two weeks. Make a bowl, and the Coach deserves coach of the year! I will enjoy seeing what Dres can do though.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 1:56 p.m.

    Conference affiliation or Independence: Regarding bowl possibilities - I like our possibilities better than the alternative. (Granted all the Utes have to do is win with what will again be a top 10 toughest schedule in 2014!)

  • ChristoperB Salt Lake, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 1:35 p.m.

    With all the uncertainty(unlikelihood) surrounding byu and the big time bowls, why doesn't BYU just join the Pac 12 or Big 12?

    Then they would have much better access to prime time.

    I can't understand why BYU doesn't join a big boy conference?

  • CWEB Orem, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 1:32 p.m.

    I'm stunned at the arrogance of Utah, who thought they would prance into this major conference and do anything more than it has done. It take many many years to transform a team to fit that demand. And you had better face the reality Utah, you may never win a championship, or even come close. It is a very real possibility.

    I must admit, however, how much I am enjoying watching the Utah program flip-flop like a fish out of water. It does the heart good! How many coordinators? A new Quarterback from... uh, Wyoming? A very bright future I see!

  • DHuber Palmyra, NY
    Jan. 8, 2014 1:21 p.m.

    Taking into account the never-to -be -revealed cost of Bowl games perhaps BYU and it sponsor LDS church are privately rejoicing at the news. And really why shouldn't all the sports at BYU be cancelled? Sports are not central to the mission of education and at a subsidy of about $20,000 in tuition costs per student perhaps the church has spent enough.