George F. Will: The era of Gesture Liberalism is at hand

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  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Jan. 13, 2014 1:12 p.m.

    You know, Pagan is really an appropriate name: He or she worships the God of Government. Where the only worthwhile human endeavor is run by faceless, nameless government bureaucrats, whom we peons must submit our petitions to see if they are worth the time of our great government betters. Where Americans are just cogs in the great machine; where we must be grateful for the crumbs our benevolent socialist betters deem us fit enough to receive. Where diversity is promoted, as long as you never presume to have diversity of thought.

    The ideal Liberal world: A nation of blacks, browns, whites and others, all in servitude to the government, never questioning, a nation of Sandra Flukes with no morality, a nation of Julias with no family but Big Government, where you abort your kids and the ones that survive are gay. A mix of 1984 and Brave New World. No religion but obeisance to the Democratic Party, with no dissent.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    Jan. 11, 2014 3:42 p.m.

    You are all a farce. Anyone that votes defends Republican or Democratic ideals needs to look in the mirror. Democrats like crony socialism and welfare and Republicans like war and crony capitalism. I like the Constitution, private enterprise, and liberty, something neither Republicans or Democrats support! Your arguing is tit for tat! You're all lost!

  • RG Buena Vista, VA
    Jan. 11, 2014 11:40 a.m.

    In their comments, both Thid Barker and Cowspackle referenced something written by Irony Guy. But when I look over the comments, I don't see any by Irony Guy. Can someone please put it back?

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 10, 2014 11:09 a.m.

    Medicare D has been a winner, money-wise. Too bad about the other health programs. We need inexpensive, but environmentally--friendly transportation; we also need work and family vehicles that are also environmentally friendly, but, obviously not as friendly as smaller vehicles. History shows that judicious government involvement has been beneficial. When business and industry sre brought into a co-operative loop, better things can result. We know that America's isolationist stance after WWI probably helped bring about WWII. We don't know what non-involvement in Irag would have allowed. Yes, it cost. Yes, it could have been done better. Same can be said about all the wars, America (and anybody else) has fought. Bad politics is what I blame. Politics should be used to get the best of what a varied population has to offer. Great leaders do this. Poor leaders play one interest against another.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 3:17 p.m.

    Chad S,

    Tell me when the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war were added to the national budget.


    Tell me when Medicare part D was added to the budget.


    Tell me who signed these into effect?

    George W. Bush.

    If Obama added even ONE dollar to the national debt, it would 'technically' be more debt than any other President in American history.

    But if you are going to cite a report, cite the author…

    *'Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama?' - Rick Ungar – Forbes Magazine – 05/24/12

    Reagan tripled the debt.

    Bush doubled the debt.

    Even you, did not claim otherwise. Because it would be a lie.

  • jcobabe Provo, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 3:12 p.m.

    Of course we all know and understand - "You didn't build that."

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 1:37 p.m.

    If F150's were still getting the mileage they did when St. Ronnie was president, a lot less of them would be selling today. It took more than a little regulation to push car manufacturers in that direction.

  • Chad S Lorton, VA
    Jan. 9, 2014 12:59 p.m.

    Pagan, a simple fact checking exercise revealed that the national debt under 3 years of Obama rule had already outpaced 8 years under Bush II. The Debt rose $4.899 trillion during the two terms of the Bush presidency. By March 2012 CBS news reported that the debt had gone up $4.939 trillion since President Obama had taken office in 2009. You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

    Conservatives were wrong to let Iraq happen and to let Afghanistan go beyond May 2, 2011. I'll give you that.

  • Pagan Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 12:13 p.m.

    'Americans who exercise consumer sovereignty wherever Barack Obama still tolerates it are constantly disappointing him.'


    Did we impeach George W. Bush when he invaded two countries?
    Double the debt?
    Create the TSA?
    Patriot Act to invade your rights…?


    We elect Presidents for x2 year terms. Both George W. Bush and Barrack Obama got x2 terms. So that means, 8 years.

    And here, we have conservatives whining about anything. From healthcare to a lack of factual wars. But not, when 4,000 troops die in Iraq.

    Gesture Liberalism?

    Reagan tripled the national debt.

    George W. Bush doubled the debt.

    You cannot say either about Obama or Bill Clinton.

    And Utah will spend $2 million dollars against gay marriage. How many jobs does that create?

    Gesture Liberalism?

    How about the empty claim of 'Fiscal Conservative?'

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    Jan. 9, 2014 11:18 a.m.

    Liberalism - Another word for socialism.

  • cowspackle LOGAN, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 11:07 a.m.

    Irony Guy,

    If that is what you take from this it is scary. The liberal agenda has been taking us to more and more government control. Did you read the quote from Biden that he and other big government supporters think that all the great ideas have come because of government help and incentive? That is absurd. The only purpose the federal government should provide is protection of our liberties, which it is slowly taking away. The states should take care of all else, such as head start programs, environmental controls, etc., as they are more able to cater to the needs of their citizens.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 9, 2014 10:55 a.m.

    Irony Guy. Tell us if you can, what part of his article is not fact! All you did is attack him personally!

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 9, 2014 9:08 a.m.

    FT. Typical liberal rebuttal! Can't debate the facts so you attack the messenger! Partisan, myopic and not even able to compete in a high school debate!

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 8:07 a.m.

    Typical George Will editorial. Partisan, myopic and a better example of how to compete in a high school debate.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    Jan. 9, 2014 7:42 a.m.

    Obama is leading a parade that consists of him and him alone. He's beginning to see that. He's beginning to see that Americans are finally seeing him as he really is. No amount of "hot air", no amount of blustering, no amount of blaming others will change the fact that Obama is seriously underqualified to serve as President. He will live forever in the history books as being the only President less qualified than Jimmy Carter.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 7:42 a.m.

    Re: ". . . Gesture Liberalism is more than just a gesture."

    Hear, hear.

    It's actually a wholesale hijacking of my tax dollars, and yours, to buy support for liberal causes and candidates.

    Fine gesture, indeed, if you're in that small minority of Americans willing to accept the label "liberal."

    Sad for all the rest of us.