Richard Davis: Are the two major parties in trouble?

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  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2014 8:15 a.m.

    Tea party tantrum ruined GOP forever.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    Jan. 8, 2014 10:23 p.m.

    “A decade ago, the Democrats had a 55 percent favorability rating, while Republicans had 49 percent.”

    By far the best sentence in the article – so 4 percent of the population actually had a favorable view of both Republicans and Democrats. Maybe they didn’t understand the question…

    But I agree we are ripe for a third party – a Ross Perot-type might win were he running today. And any viable third party will undoubtedly rest on a fiscally conservative platform (why a significant percent vote R over D) even if they are socially liberal or libertarian (i.e., don’t care what people do in the bedroom), so if one ever does gather steam the current angry, government hating, sanctimonious Republican Party may go the way of the Whigs.

  • G Blake West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 9:49 p.m.

    @ Ranch: Your comment about fearing the Tea Party because you envision "gulags" showing up all over America if they wrest control of Congress is not only unfounded, it is opposite of reality.
    Republican philosophy is conservative, which means LESS government intrusion into citizens lives. Abortion laws are to protect the voiceless child, not punish it's mother.
    The Democrat Party just rammed Obamacare down America's throat, creating a monstrous, labyrinthine bureaucracy. In the process of so generously "giving" Americans healthcare, they had to create an enforcement mechanism. If you don't pay, and don't have a convenient paycheck they can garnish, they will FORECLOSE ON YOUR PROPERTY and take your home or your business away.
    When in history has an American ever lost his property simply for not buying insurance?
    (Who's setting up 'gulags' now, Ranch?)
    You haven't even seen the tip of the iceberg, if ACA is allowed to survive...

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 4:39 p.m.

    Agree somewhat, but in these next elections, I believe that everyone from the most conservative (which I'm close to being) to the most liberal Republicans, like Govenor Christie, will turn out for whoever the Republicans nominate. Christie is probably one of my last votes to be the nominee. However, if he does get the nod, I will become the biggest Christie supporter there is, because I know that we as a nation cannot survive another liberal democrat like Clinton, Biden, Kerry, ect. as President. I really believe that this round, without a problem like Romney and Mormonism, just about all non Democrats will come out to support a big change. And rarely does a political party win 3 presidential elections in a row, the exception being the first Bush, but that had to do with a continuation of Reagan, and Dukukis not exactly being a great candidate. In other words, I hope/pray that the stay at home conservative/Republicans who let down Romney will see the error of their ways and go for the better if the best is not available. If not, shame on them. And wo to the country.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 4:30 p.m.

    The Socialist Party is scoring victories running for a realistic minimum wage. The Democratic Party is in trouble because it does not adequately defend the rights of labor. It's in way too tight with Wall Street, e.g. Robert Rueben and the Clintons, and it is beholden to big corporate money almost as much as the Republicans. Look out, Democrats!

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 2:44 p.m.

    clearfield, UT

    For once I agree with some of what you said.

    It's called natural distribution,
    Bell curve.

    I think there are more [much, Much, MORE]
    Moderate Republicans and Democrats in the un-committed Center,
    than there are uber-far reaches of the nether world ultra-right.

    The GOP would be wise to be more Big-Tent, Blue-dog, Reagan-Democrat Moderate,
    than playing the political putian purity test of who can be the most uber-far-right-winger.

    It didn't work for Mitt Romney,
    it won't work for anyone else.

    Giving up 3% of the Tea-Party vote, to win 30% of the Moderates is the only way to win anything.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 8, 2014 2:38 p.m.

    "However I think the best way for the GOP to broaden the tent is to get back the Reagan Democrats. "

    Absolutely. But the far right would scream loudly - RINO.

    Reagan did many things that would get him kicked out of the club today.

    And that is the problem. Those on the right demand 100%. Have a gay kid and think they should be allowed to get married? That will get you banned.

    Marco Rubio pushed for a path (albeit long) to citizenship for illegals. That may disqualify him.

    There is just no room to wiggle in the GOP.

    I also find it curious that you dont see that the GOP has been complicit in "spending like a Democrat". How about Medicare part D? That was a huge entitlement expansion.

    And supported by the GOP completely. Think about the screaming if a Dem had done that.

  • Mark from Montana Davis County, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 1:46 p.m.

    It isn't the parties that are in trouble. It is the American people, and the country, that are in trouble because of terrible, self-centered leaders. We have no Washingtons, Lincolns or even Reagans any more. We have Clintons, Bushs and Bidens now.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 1:37 p.m.


    Frankly, the "Tea Party" terrifies me. If they were to gain power, I don't think it would be that long before we started having gulags of our own here in the good Old USA.

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 1:31 p.m.

    Patriot is exactly correct in his/her comments. I am a proud Tea Party believer and her description is the best definition Imhave heard since I joined the 2009 March on Washington.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 1:29 p.m.

    Joe Blow

    However I think the best way for the GOP to broaden the tent is to get back the Reagan Democrats. A lot of that crowd is still winable. I don't think that the Republicans have any chance of getting the minority vote that needs lots of government support. The only way for Republicans to out Democrat the Democrats is to become Democrat lite. However, even if they do that, the Democrats will always spend more than them, thus, the needy minority vote will always be for the Democrats. Truth is, I suspect that this country is quickly headed for a two party system that is, Republicans, mostly white people, Democrats, mostly non-white people. Now, I could be wrong and hope to be if my favorite Republican runs for President and get the nomination. Namely, Marco Rubio. I would love to see if he could bring out more Latino vote to the Republicans, sadly, I don't think he would, because he would not spend like a Democrat. I love to be wrong though.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 12:46 p.m.

    I think there is a new party starting to form. The Tea Party is NOT a is just a movement of people who were frustrated with the far left Obama agenda but I do think the Tea Party has started some new thinking especially since this Obamacare train wreck and all the Obama lying. All people - young, old , right and left finally woke up to the fact that the controlling big wigs in White House and congress are corrupt. The Tea Party is just a voice of the people who want to be heard and not censored for silenced. They believe in traditional American values and morals and they want those restored to our government. You have Orin Hatch suggesting that Mike Lee needs to be "re-educated". What??? This sort of thing angers everyone when some good ole boy 40 year senator wants to STOP any creative new thinking in congress.

  • U-tar Woodland Hills, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 12:36 p.m.

    Both parties are in trouble because they are the Siamese twins of destruction in our country. We need a party with courage and conviction which defends our constitution, not destroy's it!

  • Man in Charge Chihuahua, 00
    Jan. 8, 2014 12:29 p.m.

    I'm hoping that we the 2 political parties go away. My biggest wish is the total abolition of political parties. When you have that, you will get good politicans in office and no more stupid party agendas.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 8, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    " the reason Romney lost, it turned out to be more about the non committed voters and his base Republicans not getting out for him."

    The country is generally moderate. The base did not turn out because they correctly perceived Romney as a moderate. Had Romney been able to convince the base he was a "severe conservative" he would have lost much of the moderate vote.

    Concerning Hispanics, one must look at the future population. The Latino population is exploding, not just growing.

    Yes, California is not attainable for the GOP, but the huge Latino population in Texas has a real possibility of turning that state blue in the future (10-20 years perhaps) if the GOP continues to alienate that group.

    And if Texas turns, it's lights out for the GOP.

    How about Arizona? Very possibly a solid blue state in the years ahead.

    The GOP would be wise to broaden their tent. For the voters and for the politicians.

  • CKS007 Clearfield, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 11:43 a.m.

    The two parties have already rigged the elections and debates so that no third party will get a fair shake. It's too easy for the two big boys to just dig in for full opposition on the other side or give a nod-wink agreement for the stuff that both parties want ($$$$$). If you think there are very many differences between the Ds and the Rs in Washington, you are fooling yourself. We trully need more serious options so that voters will have to research their candidates and not just look for a D or an R behind the name. The candidates want to "work" for you. Give them a proper job interview yourself. Ask them questions via email and other social media. Find out if they really want to help the country or are just selling themselves out to the highest bidder.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 11:34 a.m.


  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 10:34 a.m.


    However, when one looks at the reason Romney lost, it turned out to be more about the non committed voters and his base Republicans not getting out for him. That last, was a real surprise to me. I thought for sure every person in the country that was not hard core Democrat would want to get rid of Obama. Turned out that many "conservatives" (shame on them) and "anti Mormon types" (shame on them) and "could care less people" (shame on them) did not vote. So even though demographics are changing, it is still the base that puts someone in the White House. And, women split pretty well between married and unmarried, being either Republican or Democrat. As for the Latinos, the Republicans have won without majority vote from them, like blacks, for decades now. The increase of their votes will only amount to bigger landslides in states like California, but won't change the electoral outcome. At least not until next census. But with so many non Latinos fleeing California (myself included) it will likely balance out. Anyway good talking to you.

  • canvas1 San Tan Valley, AZ
    Jan. 8, 2014 10:32 a.m.

    I agree with Mr. Davis. The republican establishment has no clue what their base wants. Bush drove them away when he started acting like a liberal domestically.

    The democrats, on the other hand, cater to their fringe base and they love it, but against the wishes of the majority of the american people. After all we have been through the majority have never and still do not want Obamacare.

    So, yes, both republicans and democrats are in trouble.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 8, 2014 9:01 a.m.

    Good Analysis SCFan,

    However, one huge issue that you overlooked is demographics. GOP base of old white men are dying off. Democratic base of the young, and the growing Latino population is a game changer going forward.

    Add to that the female voter, which the GOP has been alienating lately with a few outspoken, crazy talking ("a woman's body can reject pregnancy during a rape") candidates that, unfortunately, become the face of the party.

    Personally, I want an intelligent group of moderates on both sides. And I want two strong parties who come to the table in earnest to make positive changes.

    Apparently, that is too much to ask for.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 8:16 a.m.

    The only party of the two major parties that is in trouble is the one that loses elections. After 2008, some said the Republicans were over. Then 2010 came and the Republicans had a victory. Now we have the 2014 and '16 elections coming up. It could be the Democrats that are over. For a while. Then the pendulum will swing back, as it always does. As for other parties or 3rd parties, their only power is in being spoilers in close elections. Few if any will win elections coming from a third party. I don't see that changing much. The biggest 3rd we had in recent history was Ross Perot and the Reform Party. They got almost 20% of the vote and caused Clinton to win over Bush, but got no closer to winning the election than you or I did, as they got NO electoral votes. So, I think it will be Republican or Democrat fighting it out for years to come.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 7:58 a.m.

    Americans want elected officals that put them, before political party first. The recent budget deal was an example of that. John Bohener railed against the Tea Party and it's leaders and their destructive strategy. Had John Bohener put Americans before the Tea Party back in October the country would have not wasted 28 BILLION dollars and the GOP's image would not have tanked with Americans. Democrats do the same thing and Americans want leaders not parties running our goverment.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 7:36 a.m.

    But this is Utah,
    and people are raise to not think for themselves.

    That's why they

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 8, 2014 5:56 a.m.

    People are enamored with their party.
    They think that the "other" party has it all wrong, and only "their" party can govern correctly.

    This logic requires very little information and a very short memory.

    NewsFlash. Your party has been in control of the President, House and Senate in the past.
    How much differently did they govern than the "other" party?

    Think about the biggies. War, Immigration, Abortion, Spending, Deficit. Now make a historical, meaningful distinction between the two parties.

    I cannot understand how anyone can support their party to no end while spewing such hatred for the other.

    It Defies logic. It screams Partisanship. It is killing our country.

  • Clarifying Facts Lehi, UT
    Jan. 8, 2014 5:34 a.m.

    Absolutely. There's a movement afoot to change the two-party system. Watch the independents. I don't think they're so interested in forming a third party; they want to break down the current power structure that only leads to partisanship and poor policy choices. They want to give independents a voice because true independents are capable of thinking intelligently through problems, working with people who disagree with them, and finding win-win solutions that aren't tied up in money and special interests.