@ Chris B.No sharing revenue with two more schools does not make sense.
Many people have said BYU brings the money but there is no other good expansion
option.Big 12 schools make as much money with 10 teams as the Pac does
with 12 and a title game.Actually informing yourself on the situation
would make the education your schools provides be a lot more credible.
@ Steven JarvisI'm a Cougar fan to the 9's and I got to
tell you, IF we turn down a Big 12 invite over Television rebroadcasting rights
we should shut the sports program down because we are no longer interested in
Exposure or in recruiting Elite talent...I guarantee you that a Big
12 membership brings a lot more inquisitive eyes than non-conference scheduling
in November...We need to allow our kids to compete for all
conference recognition and an elite conference trophy... And if we're not
going to do that then we should expect every 4 and 5 star and even 3 star
athletes to go and play where they will get better exposure... In fact, we
should encourage our coaches to go some place where they can get better exposure
and more money...This is not the church sports program and quite
frankly, we have far too many cooks in the kitchen that have little to no
understanding of what they are doing... Yet they are making the calls that are
hurting us...Granted, this year we had a good schedule...
That's one in a row because it drops off big time next year.
....As far as the Big12 goes there have been numerous reports that BYU and
the BIG12 were in fairly serious discussions. Sunday play was an issue
(specifically for Fox who wanted the option of televising the BIG12 Basketball
Championship on Sunday). Ultimately, however, the main issue was that BYU
pushed too hard regarding television rights (personally, I wish BYU would have
backed away from their demands a little, but ultimately I'll trust the
Board of Trustees).TCU was the benefactor of this as the BIG10 felt
vulnerable (after 4 defections) and desperately wanted to get to at least 10.
The BIG12 had been very clear that they had no desire to expand within their
current footprint, however, due to the pressures of conference realignment,
political pressures and the fact that they knew TCU would take pretty much any
deal they were offered, TCU got the offer.This is all well
documented and was hashed and re-hashed when this all went down. I'm
pretty sure that Chris B and others are well aware of all of these issues and
scenarios, but no matter how much they say they have moved on, can't quite
get away from their Big Brother.
@Chris B,Can we have an honest discussion about what happened with
conference invitations? The PAC10 invited Colorado to join, knowing they would
jump at the chance and hoping that it would destabilize the BIG12 enough to
entice UT, OU and one other to join. This was a risk as it is no secret that
the PAC 10 didn't want Colorado without the UT and OU, but they thought
they had a good enough chance of luring them. In fact there was plenty of
speculation at the time that there was already a tentative agreement with UT,
but that the other BIG12 schools (and Texas politicians) put enough pressure on
UT to get them to stay. Once UT said no, the PAC10 was in a bind; 11
didn't make any sense so they needed one more. Everyone knows that there
was no chance that BYU was getting invited to the PAC12 because of
social/political/religious reasons. From a financial and athletic standpoint,
BYU made much more sense than Utah (feel free to prove this wrong when you
I really enjoyed how we kept on the subject. What was it now???
Chris,"Just remember, the Pac 12 could have chosen BYU, but we
didn't"Are you the head of the selection committee to decide who
gets invited to the Pac 10+2?I attended the 50th class reunion from
Rigby, Idaho this past summer. Had a great visit with Bill Byrne. Yes,
he's from Rigby, Idaho. He was the A.D. at Oregon, then Nebraska and just
retired a year ago after serving as the A.D. at Texas A&M for the past 12
years. I asked him what the biggest draw back was from BYU being invited to one
of the so-called major conferences and he said, "all they have to do is play
on Sunday". We all know that won't happen. But he said, "but they
win and win big, then somebody will want them and Sunday play won't be an
issue".No matter who you are or where you're from, seems
that winning solves a lot of problems.
Chris B: I wonder how much the Big 12 likes you speaking "for them"
Optimistic, Hollis has turned over a new leaf?
BeSmart,Lets recap for you:Adding Utah justified
expansion in the Pac 12Adding byU does NOT justify expansion in Big 12In others words: Utah is worth it, byu isn't.
Smart,That's right. byu didn't add enough value to the
Big 12 to justify inviting them.That's why byu wasn'
invitedUtah DID add enough value to justify inviting us to the Pac
@BlackDiamondUtah brought 20 national championships to the PAC when
Chris BWe know that Utah is a Pac 12 team. Win a national championship
first before you start claiming that you are in a conference of champions. I
understand that BYU is not doing great either, but we have accomplished things
that the Utes have not like National Champs, NFL MVP, Heisman trophy. Get on
our level then you can start talking. Congratulations on being on the Pac 12
Heres another predicition. Byu fans will complain about thier football schedule
and say "I spent way to much money watching us play this team" Go Fast,
Go Hard, Go Punt! Dave Christensen will show ya all how to run an offense with
out a slogan.
Chris B,I admit most Ute fans wear their pain too proudly. We need
to accept that we are not that good. Maybe in the next few years, but I
don't understand how knocking BYU is lifting Utah.
@ CB The Big 12 chose to stay at 10 teams because of financial issues.
They determined that a championship game would not bring in enough revenue to
justify expansion. I wonder if this is the education the U provides
spouting off nonsensical rhetoric.Educating yourself is a wonderful thing.
SlopJo,And what does it say about the person who was deemed a worse
option(byu) than Whoopi Goldberg. If Utah is Whoopi, what is byu? Roseanne?
Just remember, the Pac 12 could have chosen byu. But we
I continue to be amazed at how giddy certain Utah fans seem to be about being
the conference doormat. I keep picturing two scenarios:(1) Honey Boo
Boo being invited to join Mensa as a joke and her getting all uppity about
it.(2) Whoopi Goldberg being invited to be in the next SI swimsuit
issue and not understanding all the barely-suppressed giggle-fits during the
CougarSunDevil,You do realize that the Big 12's last resort to
get to 12 teams and have a championship game included inviting byu, and the
conference opted to remain without a championship game rather than invite
byu?LOL.The Pac 12 had the same option but decided
inviting Utah was a good idea.The big 12 had the same option with
byu and said "no thanks"And actually, Utah wasn't the
LAST resort for the Pac 12, that honor goes to byu. You were behind us in the
invite list and therefore we cant be last. You were!LOL
Chris B,You do realize that Utah was the LAST resort for the PAC 12
right? You realize that when the PAC couldn't poach the Big 12 of Texas,
Oklahoma, etc, that they SETTLED for Utah and Colorado. You do realize that had
it not been for Texas, Utah would still be a MWC school right? Perhaps a little
more gratitude and a lot less chest thumping.As for BYU joining a
conference, BYU doesn't need the security of others to validate them right
now. Maybe sometime, but conference affiliation isn't a point of mockery
but rather a current state and likely a means to facilitate movement in the
I don't know why BYU and Ute fans are arguing. We both did not perform
that great last season. It is not really looking good next season either. Who
cares what conference you are in. Just make sure you win them. Let us wait
until one of our teams get to Pasadena then we can start talking.
Steven,Sunday play isn't an issue. The big 12 knows byu would
never play on Sunday. And yet they wanted to have discussions. But
through those discussions big 12 presidents realized once again byu isn't
big 12 worthy. We(PAC 12) have realized it too and choose every day
NOT to extend an invitation.
PTHAt least they were invited, unlike us.
Protecting this house,Remind me again how good your teams did. Oh
CougSunDevil:How enjoyable was bowl season for you, really? Both of
your teams didn't bother showing up for their games.
@Chris BNo formal invitation is ever given without first having
discussions. The Big 12 knows exactly where BYU stands on the main issue of
television rights. BYU wants rights to rebroadcast to its global market. The
Big12 couldn't give BYU what it needs in that regard. Sunday play is
another issue, but one I think was workable for the Big12. Giving TV rights was
not, therefore no invitation was extended because BYU was known to be ready to
turn one down if it had been offered.Independence has worked out
fantastically for BYU's football brand. BYU expands globally and
nationally its footprint and the program in turn promotes the church.With loyal fans like you Chris B. that will follow every game, every
announcement and every article out there, BYU will continue to grow its
footprint. You see, even though you absolutely dislike BYU you can't turn
away from it. You have ten or more names that you use on this board, spend
countless hours trying to be the first to comment and are totally obsessed with
byu turned down the big 12?LOL!Wrong.Holmoe
himself has said there was NEVER a big 12 offer. Good try.As for
the big east, its a crumbling conference that no longer is considered one of the
big boys due to the defections. Even TCU backed away after accepting an offer,
and Boise said no thanks as well.
This has brought a smile during a down time. 2014 will be fun if half of what
you say worksout. thanks for the fun
@Chris BBYU never fit within the PAC 12 mold. BYU turned down
offers privately to go to the Big East/AAC and likely the Big 12. As a fan I am
thrilled with BYU being independent. I prefer it that way and wish BYU had done
so back when I was in school in the nineties and the issue was discussed
constantly in the school paper.BYU has the power to schedule all of
its games. It has the right to rebroadcast and to broadcast games not picked up
by a network. I can watch BYU play even when I am out of the country. BYU is
bigger than any conference and is bigger than any rivalry when it comes to
international recognition. Can't beat that. What I like the most about
independence is not having to play the same old teams every year. Sure playing
Utah and TCU was nice, but it was hard having Wyoming, New Mexico and other
teams on the schedule. I would rather play a variety of programs like we do
currently. Even playing Idaho was ten times better than Wyoming.
It is strange to not have a current tie-in for a bowl for BYU. That is where
the ESPN contract helps. I suspect that unless BYU goes 12-0 they will not make
the play-off ahead of any X-1 team from the larger conferences even with a
fairly average schedule. 10-2 is very likely and an entry into a bowl that the
Cougars haven't played in before. Beating UCF, Texas and Boise State on
the road is not going to be easy.I absolutely want Wilson to
recover. He is a stand-up individual. However, I do not want him to play as the
starting QB. Wilson regressed as the season waned and having him start again
after going through the problems doing so with Jordan Wynn caused the program
just seems like De Ja Vu. Wilson needs to heel and back up Conner. He is just
to much of a liability as a turn-over machine.
Here's some more predictions for 2014:- RSL will be very good,
despite losing their old coach.- Jazz will be very bad, despite this
so-called "core" of young players they have.- Utah and BYU
basketball will both make the NCAA tournament. Neither will go far.- BYU
football will proclaim yet another national championship in August and be out of
it in September. They'll go 9-3 and end up in a yet-to-be-announced bowl
game that will be played in Kingman, AZ. Somewhere they will find another team
who will accept an invite to the game, thereby giving BYU the chance to lose
another bowl.- Utah football will proclaim improvement over 2013. They
will post the same record as 2013.
@CougarSunDevil,Why doesn't byu just join a big time conference
so you don't have to worry about bowl affiliations?And then you
could share in the big time money from all the big time bowls your conference
plays in.Do you guys really prefer independence to being in the Pac
12 or Big 12?
"After starting the season 5-0, thanks in part to a BYU offense that's
going a little slower but scoring a lot more points, talk of a big-time bowl
berth begins to build in Provo."And largely thanks to Utah not
wanting to play byu any more and instead opting to play Michigan and Fresno, who
present more of a challenge and are more respected opponents.But I
still don't see byu's "quest" lasting 5 games. It
usually ends sometime in the first 1-2 games
You lost me at "Auburn Wins" I'm guessing making football
predictions by looking through crystal basketball threw things off for you. LoveTheKittens,10-2 typically doesn't = home. However,
5-7 does...Although you know that already.
BYU has no bowl contract in place for next and will be lucky if they can get in
the Poinsetta Bowl. Currently, 10-2 = home.