Brad Rock: Utah basketball is no joking matter

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  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 6, 2014 1:55 p.m.


    HCA can be measured by how y'all do against the Ducks in Eugene... The utes lost by 2 in OT on their home court, let's see how they do on the Ducks home court.


    And yet the RPI is the third most popular poll used outside of the AP and USA Today and it is used all season long.

    Jan. 6, 2014 10:02 a.m.

    POYMAN, as a huge BYU fan, I must say I don't see how you can argue with the Ute fans with the way they blew out BYU. Scoreboard always gives you the bragging rights. At the same time, I'll never understand the animosity the Ute fans hold towards the Y - especially now that they aren't even in the same conference. I do think BYU might be the better team. But, again, scoreboard.

    Jan. 6, 2014 9:48 a.m.

    And all the RPI does is rewards teams for playing tough schedules, regardless of whether they manage to beat any of the good teams or not. Thus, it has little to no relevancy until late February when the schedule is near complete. And, no, your explanation of ESPN's BPI can be found nowhere in their own explanation of it. The actual criteria used for their calculation: Scoring margin, Diminishing returns for blowouts, Pace of game matters, Home/Neutral/Road, SOS beyond Opponent's opponents' W-L, All wins are better than losses, and De-weighting games with missing key players. Yours sounds just as made up as a PAC-12 officiating conspiracy theory.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 6, 2014 7:01 a.m.


    Home court advantage is about 3 to 5 points, from what I can find.

    Your team got pummeled by 17 points at the Huntsmen Center. That's not HCA that's called getting OWNED!

    As far as SOS, I will just quote what you BYU "fans" were saying in the fall:

    "Better dust off a shelf in your trophy closet for another SOS trophy." -- Uteanymous

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 6, 2014 12:49 a.m.


    The AP, the USA Today,and the RPI are really the only polls the selection committee watches, but if you want to compare polls, let's compare all of them:

    AP... both not rated

    USA Today... both not rated

    RPI... BYU 39 and utah 141

    BPI... (an ESPN Bracketology creation that rewards teams for the conference they belong to (whether you have played anyone in that conference yet or not)and does little to penalize teams for playing weaker schedules... Utah 45 BYU 59

    Sagaran Ratings... BYU 46 utah 65

    Massey Ratings... utah 57 BYU 54

    KenPom (Ken Pomeroy) Ratings... BYU 55 Utah 68

    So to summarize, if we treat the RPI, the BPI, the Sagaran, the Massey and the KenPom rankings with equal weight the total averages for each team are...

    BYU 48.4 ...Utah 74.6 (Total averages across the 5 rating sources)... ouch... and sorry.

    Jan. 5, 2014 10:13 p.m.

    .81-64... actual score of when Utah and BYU played

    .0-1... BYU's record versus Utah this year

    .45... Utah's current BPI

    .59... BYU's current BPI

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Jan. 5, 2014 9:44 p.m.

    To supplement Mr. Rock's articles and to respond to some of the ute fans comments let me throw out a couple numbers and acronyms...

    . SOS and 315 out of 351... Strength of Schedule rating and the number ranked against the total number of teams measures according to the last RPI.

    . 2-11... the utes record against BYU over the past 7 years.

    . HCA or Home Court Advantage... The difference in the score that you will see when you play Oregon in Eugene... or, the difference between the Boise State game and all other games on your schedule.

    . SOS 3... BYU's ranking amongst the 351 teams previously measured.

    . 141 and 39... utah's and BYU's respective RPI rankings after the Coug's recent losses.

    . 0... number of utah wins away from the HC.

    . and, BYU... utah's only quality win this season using HCA.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Jan. 4, 2014 12:28 p.m.

    And the Utes failed miserably passing it to the wrong team right?

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Jan. 4, 2014 11:58 a.m.

    Maybe they should suit up against St. Katherine and EVG?? Lamar etc etc then they could pile up the cupcake wins. the Utes would have got blown out playing at Oregon. Let's see how they do at Washington before everyone on the hill jumps and pounds their chests.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Jan. 4, 2014 9:34 a.m.

    Even I must admit, Utes look better than I thought they would be this year. Wright has made a huge impact and Loveridge is a great player. Congrats.

  • Rockarolla West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 3, 2014 11:18 p.m.

    Utes are improved. I weak schedule in the beginning has brought a well rested Utah team into conference wars. The jury is still out. Let's give it another few weeks before we crown them healed from past woes.

  • whowhatwhy Shire, 00
    Jan. 3, 2014 5:02 p.m.

    Aggie fan here! Utes, you did and looked great! Don't let all the lame comments get you down! I will not be one bit surprised if you all go to the dance. You have destroyed teams that you should!!!! And will only get better against very good to above average teams! Here is an AGGIE truly wishing you well!!!!

    Go Aggies!
    Good Luck U!

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 3, 2014 4:36 p.m.

    I don't know when I last saw effort and defense like that. Especially, the first quarter. Blocked shots from out of nowhere! It's been a decade, at least, since a performance like that. Not certain what the record will be; however, effort appears off the chart! The wins will follow.

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Jan. 3, 2014 2:27 p.m.

    Brad hit the nail on the head Utah is back and will be winning a lot of basketball games. The PAC is on notice that they better bring their A game when they come to the Huntsman. As our little brother found out getting beat by 17. Utah basketball is back and its about time.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2014 12:15 p.m.

    byu was blown out by the Utes and failed miserably in their OT bid at Oregon by, once again, not bothering to play defense which they clearly have never been taught. Add to that byu's more immediate concerns regarding their performance in the vaunted WCC and...well...I think you see why excitement abounds on the hill and not at byu. byu's never ending 'quest for attention' is going to get steam rolled by the Utes.

    Great observation. It's time for the local media to realize that Coach K is bringing Utah basketball back and write accordingly. That's probably too much to ask and we Utah fans would be well advised to keep our expectations low.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Jan. 3, 2014 12:07 p.m.


    Kudos to byu for how they performed vs Oregon and Stanford.

    Now the team needs to do some soul searching, maybe a meeting without the coaches and where the leaders step up. Good luck.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Jan. 3, 2014 11:40 a.m.

    Then Byu should get massive Kudos for playing this same team on THEIR court and taking them to OT.

    Jan. 3, 2014 11:37 a.m.

    "The one-liners about playing a high school schedule now seem as dusty as a Cosby monologue."

    But you still desperately keep trying them, Rock.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 3, 2014 10:17 a.m.

    The only laughing matter is the beatdown Utah has been putting on cupcakes like Katherine community and byu!

  • altahoops Provo, UT
    Jan. 3, 2014 8:54 a.m.

    Or it could be that Oregon is very overrated. If you look at their schedule, they beat Georgetown pretty well, but barely beat Mississippi in OT. They had to have OT to beat BYU and Utah. The rest of their schedule has been pretty weak.

    That said, Oregon keeps putting up the W's and is still undefeated.So they are getting the job done.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    Jan. 3, 2014 8:30 a.m.


    Have you not seen Utah's schedule? We have two games against the #1 Arizona, two games against top 25 Colorado, plus games against UCLA, USC....

    Its a very respectable schedule overall. And even better than byu's.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 3, 2014 8:26 a.m.

    Here's something that hasn't changed - the moral victory parade after every loss.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 3, 2014 8:27 a.m.

    Who knows at this stage if the Utes scheduling was a good idea or not. It seems to me that a stronger schedule might have been more beneficial (but not as strong as BYU's schedule - it may have been too much and left a young team burned out). The bottom line is that we really don't know yet. It's too soon.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    Jan. 3, 2014 6:51 a.m.

    We are dang good and can win anybody this year on our home court.

    Go Utes!

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    Jan. 3, 2014 1:07 a.m.

    Wow a guy from Ogden with a name of Big 12 call yet is proud, wait, couldn't be more proud of his team for losing. Is this another Chris account with the pac 12 utes onward and upward stuff?

    That being said, it will be interesting to watch what happens from here on out for Utah. There are a few cream puffs in the pac for sure but the fans claiming a bid to the big dance after a close game to Oregon are delusional. Shoot for any post season play first, then build up to the big dance. Baby steps. You'll get there. Maybe.

  • Old ball coach1 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 2, 2014 11:31 p.m.

    I was impressed with Utah tonight, but they still have to show it on the road....

  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    Jan. 2, 2014 10:44 p.m.

    Couldn't be more proud of coach k and the team. I thought this team was still a year away for competing for PAC 12 and march madness birth. By now it's safe to say we can play with anyone and no reason we can't end up in the big dance.

    After a schedule of nothing but cupcakes in non conference, it sure is nice to be playing real teams

    Great game guys.

    Go PAC 12 utes!
    Onward and upward