Count My Vote doesn't fix all voting issues

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  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 2, 2014 5:29 p.m.

    The article didn't even point out that the Utah GOP has made Same Day Ballots an option for the firefighter that can't get off work, the mom whose kids get sick and she can't go or the military/missionary and all can vote at their Neighborhood Caucus Election night.

    It was structured in such a way to allow the mom who was planning on coming to the neighborhood caucus election meeting, but her kids got sick to still vote, or the firefighter, for example, that had to work that night. We want people to come to the meeting, but things can come up that can't be controlled. The Same Day Ballot (SDB) is designed to not provide an incentive for people to avoid the meeting. The person that just had knee surgery that uses a SDB, is not likely to be able to come, and the SDB will actually increase the number participating and not decrease it.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 2, 2014 5:19 p.m.

    The Caucus System in Utah is the best way to make sure a grass roots process can work over large amounts of money. It is the only way someone with $100,000 can go against someone with $2,000,000 in election funds. We have a system that that does NOT favor the incumbent, wealthy or famous. This is a good thing. Count My Vote / Buy My Vote would destroy it.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Jan. 2, 2014 10:48 a.m.

    Re: "Direct primary elections would be more accessible than the current delegate system . . . ."

    Yeah, that's the party lined being spewed by Utah's monied elites, all right. But, the fact is, direct primaries are decidedly NOT more accessible than neighborhood caucuses.

    That inaccessibility is exactly why monied elites favor primaries over neighborhood caucuses.

    They can exert greater control over primaries than they can over neighborhood caucuses.

    Why should Utah voters feel inclined to make life easier for monied elites?

  • care4usa Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 1, 2014 4:47 p.m.

    Having had experience in a state with same day registration and early voting, they are really great changes if your goal is election fraud and manipulation. In 2012 there over 17,000 same day registrations that could not be verified. Loose absentee ballot controls which led to early voting and more ballots being cast than the number of registered voters in the State. This along with a complicit Secretary of State and County Attorneys have changed the outcome of two elections since I started voting here in 2000.

    Voters who follow all the rules have their votes negated by unethical activists taking unfair advantage of such loose practices.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 1, 2014 10:39 a.m.

    The sad truth is that nothing on the foreseeable horizon will change the makeup of the people who control government in Utah and represent Utah in our national government.

    To give meaning to government by the people do the following:

    1. Remove the influence of money in the election and representation of people. Do this be prohibiting phony, length and expensive political campaigns in the media. Allow only a short resume to be published for each candidate giving his qualifications, prejudices and affiliations. The resume to be published and republished as necessary to reach every voter in Utah.

    2. Stop and prohibit all lobbying of organized groups.

    3. Allow anyone and everyone who wishes to post for the government position by a small fee and the creation of the resume.

    4. Remove every obstacle possible from voting. Make voting accurate and EASY. Vote from the privacy of their home at their own schedule. Or at terminals on every street corner.

  • watchman Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 1, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    Pretty good arguments on the system, Sheryl, but it still seems to me that the Count My Vote effort will place additional emphasis on those with the most money and a protection of the incumbents.

    On the issue of making registration and voting easier, my apprehensions come when I realize that at one time Utah maintained one of the highest rates of voter turnout in the nation.
    Then we started making both registration and voting easier and more accessible and our voter turnout gradually eroded to where we are now one of the lowest in the nation. I wonder, could there be a connection?

    Could it be that people are more likely to vote when it takes a little effort?

  • AllSeeingEye Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 1, 2014 9:32 a.m.

    Count My Vote is a wonderful step towards progress but, as the author notes, only one step.

    The current system favors the few who are in charge and they can be expected to fight reform every step of the way. One likely outcome is for them to fuss over Count My Vote and then, when and if the effort is successful, act like that is just about enough reform for the next decade or so--so let's now just move on with our political lives.

    The two further steps we should focus on are campaign finance reform and independent redistricting.

    Given all of the challenges recently in the Attorney General's Office there is, or should be, some hope for campaign finance laws that make sense.

    Independent redistricting won't be an issue again for several years. I'm not hopeful that we can stay focused long enough to make that one happen--but, it would certainly improve the quality of our republic and the principles of representative democracy upon which that republic depends.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 1, 2014 12:40 a.m.

    When Utah tried a direct primary in 1937 to 1947, it came with a run off primary, so the majority would elect the nominee. When the voting turn out and the cost drove the public and the media to reject that system - a compromise, caucus/convention and run off primary was created. We have that today. Count My Vote not only removes the nominating for general elections using delegates, it removes the run off primary system we have and nominees will no longer be selected out of a 2 person race.

    The sponsors of Count My Vote loved the current system when the turnout to the neighborhood caucus elections meetings (GOP) was about 25,000, but when it exceeded 50,000 and 100,000, they no longer want that system because they no longer have the power.

    They claim more people will be able to vote. A large percentage of voters will not affiliate to vote in the GOP primary election and those same people will not be able to vote in a "GOP" direct primary under Count My Vote. They will get to pay more as Count My Vote makes sure the parties will not be picking up the tab.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 1, 2014 12:37 a.m.

    The "bill" Count My Vote, or proposed law is flawed, terribly so. Even some of the strongest supporters admit the legislature will have to fix it if this mess passes.

    We tell public officials to kill these kind of errors in committee, not skip the public hearing, not read the bill and vote to send it to the floor of the legislature to decide if it should pass or not.

    That is exactly what Count My Vote is telling people to do. Sign it, unread, and hope everyone realizes next fall it doesn't deliver. They could have amended it but chose not to and by law, can no longer amend the "bill".

    This proposed law will cost taxpayers millions, $1 Million the first year and almost that every 2 years, with about 1/2 of the unfunded mandate being picked up by the less populous counties, the ones that the same proposed law will cause to be flyover places where the candidates and elected officials won't come anymore.

    We have a system that that does NOT favor the incumbent, wealthy or famous. This is a good thing.