Utah basketball: As expected, Utes overpower St. Katherine

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    Dec. 30, 2013 11:43 a.m.

    CFiT, you are correct. I actually think the reversal of that may be in the works, with Utah possibly moving into the 6 spot in the PAC and BYU finishing 3rd. Unfortunately for BYU, that is the same place they've been since arriving, and while the recruiting is improving, the on court product is not. But for Utah, 6th place would actually be a pretty good accomplishment, as the PAC sends 5-6 teams to the NCAA nearly every year. But there's still a ways to go, we'll see what happens.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Dec. 30, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    @Crow - "Utah will finish third in their premier league while byu will finish sixth."

    I'd love to take a poll to see how many Ute fans agree with this statement. I guarantee that Utah will finish lower than 3rd in the PAC and that BYU will finish higher than 6th in the WCC.

    I like the banter, but can we keep it objective.

  • Alterego Harrisville, UT
    Dec. 30, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    St. Katherine is a very strong team, one of the best. The utes played out of their minds in order to win. The Utes could beat any of the best catholic high school teams in the nation.

    Dec. 29, 2013 9:38 p.m.

    MurrayMike, that Boise team was an at large selection in the NCAA tournament last year that returned all 5 starters, and were picked to finish 2nd in the MWC. They are a pretty good team. As far as Utah, last year, they were good enough to beat teams like that Boise team by 21 points, blew out a ranked Oregon at home, who would eventually narrowly lose in the Sweet 16, a convincing win at a decent Washington team, wins at home against good Colorado and ASU teams, and near misses at a decent BYU team, at a very good Arizona, and at ASU, and at home to Arizona and another good UCLA team. But they were very inconsistent, blowing games to bad teams like Sacramento State and CS Northridge, and getting handled at SMU. This year, they are playing consistently, and have played well against both good teams they've played and not blown any of the "trap" type games. So draw your own conclusion, but I'll wait to see how conference plays out. As it is, I don't see any Utah teams making the NCAA, again, but Utah is on the right track.

  • MurrayMike Murray, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 8:19 p.m.

    StGtoSLC ~ Dude the ONLY reason the utes are beating teams they should is because the teams they are playing are pathetic, including my cougars. The one game you played away from home, you lost. The team, Boise St. will probably finish somewhere in the middle of the pack. So losing to a mid tier mountain west team should be a wake up call to what's coming up for the utes.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 2:43 p.m.

    @ Esquire

    USU played San Diego Christian last night. All of the other games I listed are happening today.

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 2:13 p.m.

    @IA Coug usu lost to byu who is not that good. Take away haws and you take away their scoring threat. Haws is one dimensional he can't create his own shot and take away his right hand and he is a turn over machine. Mika and Austin can't stay on the floor. Utah will finish third in their premier league while byu will finish sixth.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    @ Two For Flinching, just knocked USU for their NAIA opponent from last night. Preseason or early season, maybe, but this late? No way. It's appalling.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 11:59 a.m.


    Thanks for explaining the details that IACougar conveniently left out of his post. The picture of who exactly has accomplished what is much clearer when the specific details are presented. Coach K gave the WCC blue print for handling byu and clearly, the WCC teams were paying attention. Given that the Utes are being taught how to play basketball with real defense and not just running up and down the floor to see how fast they can shoot the ball, I would say that Utah is a lot better than byu.

    Dec. 29, 2013 11:14 a.m.

    IA Cougar, so what has all that road experience against good teams done for BYU? Prepared them for blowouts to teams ranked between 150-200 in the nation? Sorry, not buying it. A team is what it is. Not saying Utah is anything special, but they are a bit better than BYU. Also, who are these "very good teams" USU has beaten? USC (picked to finish 11th in conference)? Miss St (picked to finish 13th of 14 SEC teams)? 3-5 Weber State? Or how about that home overtime win against powerhouse UC Santa Barbara. USU was a good team with Shaw, but are relegated to pretty mediocre without him. The fact is, Utah is the only team in the state right now winning the games they should by the margins they should.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    @ Esquire

    SDSU played St. Katherine right before Utah did.

    Utah St. played San Diego Christian, Oregon is playing Morgan St., USC is playing Howard, Stanford is playing Cal Poly, Washington is playing Hartford, Oregon St is paying Quinnipac, and Notre Dame is playing a team called Canisus.

    Most D1 basketball teams schedule a tune-up game before conf. play starts. I agree that Utah should have found a better opponent, but this practice is extremely common.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 9:06 a.m.

    A bad NAIA opponent? Are you kidding me? Especially this late in the season? This is truly pathetic scheduling. I suggest the Utes schedule Highland High School. At least the travel will be easier for everyone involved.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 29, 2013 8:00 a.m.

    At motorbike

    Totally agree. Enough with these weak teams, bring on the PAC.

    GO UTES!

  • IA Cougar West Des Moines, IA
    Dec. 29, 2013 7:56 a.m.

    Utah's preseason schedule of 12 games had one away game. (A loss). 11-1
    BYU's preseason schedule of 13 games had 7 away from Provo. 8-5
    Utah State's preseason schedule of 12 games had 3 away games. 10-2

    No one will question the strength of schedule for any of these teams. Now that league play starts, I would say Utah State will have the best season. Utah is much improved from last year but really has not been tested at all, including by BYU. The Aggies have a huge home court advantage with fans who actually show up. Time will tell if Utah is a myth or not. Utah State is a very good team. BYU "might" decide to play as a team but time will tell. Yesterday was a good indication it won't yield a post season anything unless things get turned around. Utah State has already beaten a couple of very good teams. I'll give my nod to Utah State. They are the best team in the state so far. Of course, because Utah is in the mighty Pac12, we will never know....but I think we do already. Go Aggies! Go Cougs!

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    Dec. 29, 2013 4:06 a.m.

    St. Katherine is an Orthodox university founded in 2010. They are not an NAIA team, which would be higher than they are currently aspiring to, which is the National Christian Athletic Association. This is their first year in basketball or any sports.

    They have played Dixie State, Utah Valley, and Weber State. They are playing Utah because of ties their recruiting coach/associate head coach has with Utah.

    I don't think Utah needed to pay all that much to bring them in. It was St. Katherine trying to fill their schedule, which I think they have done quite well considering they are starting from scratch.

  • 86&90UTE Holladay, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 1:40 a.m.

    Utah was picked 9th in the PAC-12 and BYU was picked 2nd in the WCC. We'll see how that works out the rest of the season!

  • MurrayMike Murray, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 10:09 p.m.

    So first season they played basketball, and was that katherine's girls school? Didn't say in the article.....maybe the utes are the best team in the state, but they're still gonna get handled in the pac10+2.

  • Old ball coach1 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 8:14 p.m.

    Didn't they play SDSU last night and lost 118-35.... How much money did Utah spend to bring them in.....

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Dec. 28, 2013 5:23 p.m.

    That was a difficult game to watch

  • Bear44 Tremonton, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 5:15 p.m.

    Chris B
    You are really not in reality the Utes have played no one and it will show when they start playing league games.

  • Ironmomo Ogden, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 4:36 p.m.

    You're correct...the Utes aren't prepared for PAC - 12 play. They especially are not prepared for any road games having ventured out only once. Experience counts.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 4:24 p.m.

    I'm so glad this part of our schedule is over. At least the Utes laid a proper 70+ point whooping on a team that really is that bad.

    Bring on the Pac 12 schedule and lets see how good this team really is... Go Utes!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 4:13 p.m.

    I love these PAC 12 utes!

    By far the best team in the state.

    But I am worried playing teams like this and byu aren't prepping us for PAC 12 play

    Go utes!

    The dance is a strong possibility.

    I think a top 4 finish in the PAC 12 is also possible.