State School Board member includes Count My Vote in 2014 wish list

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  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 29, 2013 8:26 p.m.

    Why are those opposed to Count My Vote so afraid of allowing people to vote on this concept? If this is as bad as you claim it is won't the voters see that and defeat this proposition, or are you saying Utah voters are not smart enough to make the correct choice?

    If it is a bad law and bad policy, then the voters of Utah will defeat this initiative.

  • JMT Springville, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 6:27 p.m.

    This article is think with backstory.

    The 'power elite' in this state used to complain that not enough people showed up for caucuses. That is now well over 100,000 people attend. In fact, more people attend these caucuses than many primary elections the elite covet.

    Do you want an example of how elite their system would be. To get on the ballot you would need 13,000 signatures. Historically groups have spent roughly $250,000 for that kind of manpower to get that many signatures. So if you want to run for office you will functionally need to pony up $250,000 to just be competitive. Who has that kind of money? The elite. Do you?

    With Mr Birmingham essentially he wants more money into education. In New York City they spend roughly $20,000 per students. Newark, New Jersey it is even hire, a reported $23,000 per student. In fact a long, long list of states and communities that spend much more per pupil than Utah, and yet our test scores are much higher. In fact, Utah has the highest average ACT in the nation!

    If the only answer Mr Birmingham has for his two decades of service is more money, maybe he should retire?

  • ray vaughn Ogden, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    If Mr. Humphreys is correct about making sure public education contines to get adaquete funding he can make a recommendation.. Ask the legislature to avoid spending two million dollars to appeal Judge Shelbys ruling. That two million dollars would be helpful if spent towards public education in utah.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 12:29 p.m.

    When Utah tried a direct primary in 1937 to 1947, it came with a run off primary, so the majority would elect the nominee. When the voting turn out and the cost drove the public and the media to reject that system - a compromise, caucus/convention and run off primary was created. We have that today. Count My Vote not only removes the nominating for general elections using delegates, it removes the run off primary system we have and nominees will no longer be selected out of a 2 person race.

    The political royalty sponsors of Count My Vote loved the current system when the turnout to the neighborhood caucus elections meetings (GOP) was about 25,000, but when it exceeded 50,000 and 100,000, they no longer want that system because they no longer have the power.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 12:26 p.m.

    The "bill" Count My Vote, or proposed law is flawed, terribly so. Even some of the strongest supporters admit the legislature will have to fix it if this mess passes.

    We tell public officials to kill these kind of errors in committee, not skip the public hearing, not read the bill and vote to send it to the floor of the legislature to decide if it should pass or not.

    That is exactly what Count My Vote is telling people to do. Sign it, unread, and hope everyone realizes next fall it doesn't deliver. They could have amended it but chose not to and by law, can no longer amend the "bill".

    This proposed law will cost taxpayers millions, $1 Million the first year and almost that every 2 years, with about 1/2 of the unfunded mandate being picked up by the less populous counties, the ones that the same proposed law will cause to be flyover places where the candidates and elected officials won't come anymore.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 10:19 a.m.

    Utahs' power brokers have become increasingly anxious the last few years. They have seen much higher participation in the caucus/primary system. If you're one of the handful of elitists who pretty much decide (based on who THEY support)who will get the party's nomination; you have MUCH cause to be concerned.

    Go ahead and sign the "Buy my vote" petition - if you want the power brokers making sure their "endorsed" candidate gets through the primary elections.

    Horror of horrors: Orrin Hatch actually was compelled to meet and actually converse with delegates at the 2012 state convention! For an entrenched power broker like him, its' the ultimate "put-down".

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    That statement ignores more than $3/4 Billion that goes to Higher Education.
    $5,221,023,700 total general/education money for FY 2015
    $2,646,414,700 for Public Ed (K-12)
    $782,029,600 for higher Ed.

    Since a very large percentage of the state budget already goes to public or higher education, to increase the amount spent per public ed student, when you are talking 600,000 K-12 students, you either raise taxes by a huge amount, such as doubling our income tax or spending it more wisely, or do other things such as obtaining the public land the Feds promised not to keep or reducing the percentage of state money going to federal social services programs.

    Even if you doubled our income tax rate in Utah, it still wouldn't be enough to significantly lower the number of students per class room as you would also have to double the property taxes the school districts get to provide more school class rooms to put the additional classes in.

    Our current system of caucus/convention/run off primary is less apt to favor the incumbents, wealthy or famous than the system Count My Vote is proposing. Are they planing on tax increases as well?

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 11:03 p.m.

    "Count MY Vote" as a misleading title for an initiative to keep the good ol boys in power.

    It takes away our options as voters.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 27, 2013 9:51 p.m.

    I am sure that Mr. Humphries doesn't realize that as a percentage of income Utahn's pay less than they did 20 years ago for public education. If you have large families you have to pay a higher percentage of your income to make up the difference, Utah has done the opposite, the sate legislature keeps cutting the commitment that Utahn's make for public education