Letter: Puzzling health care

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  • Warren ,
    Dec. 27, 2013 9:22 p.m.

    Just wait til you get the single payer system like we have here in Canada. Hurt my knee in June-saw my doctor in July--no improvement by September.My doctor contacted the specialist in September to have the specialist contact me for an appointment. I still haven't heard from the specialist. My family doc says I may not hear from him for a couple of months yet, and then when I do, expect to wait 8-9 months to get in to see him. It will be over a year before I get in to see him. My brother had heart "afib" problems--while waiting to see a specialist- he had a strok. It had been 30 months since his first appt with fasmily doc before he had surgery. This is what you want--Hutterite?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 9:06 p.m.

    Until we get a Congress that wants to address the real problem and not just pander for votes... I don't expect improvement.

    Until we figure out that the solution to high priced healthcare isn't just figuring out how to get somebody ELSE to pay for it... we will make no progress on the REAL issue (the cost).

    The point isn't just diverting the cost to somebody else (because then we are paying the exact same amount, but the consumer just feels better because some of the cost is being diverted to somebody else, but in fact the exact same amount is being paid, just by somebody else).

    We need to focus on reducing the actual cost (not just diverting the cost to somebody else).

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 8:02 p.m.

    These young people (many unemployed college grads) who will be footing the bill for Obamacare for the rest of their lives are coming to understand what collectivism and wealth redistribution are all about. It isn't what they always heard it was from the liberal college professors. Funny how things change when you find out you're the target.

    Obama has lied about every aspect of this disaster. We've already seen what happened to the 5% in this country who lost their health insurance under the "individual mandate" requirements in Obamacare. This will be child's play when the employer mandate kicks in, in 2014. In order to comply with this nightmare, employers will be forced to get rid of health insurance plans that employees really like. Why? Because Dear Leader and the Dems said so, that’s why!

    Any of you pro Obamacare folks care to tell us why Obama delayed the "employer mandate" portion of Obamacare until next year ? I thought it was so good we just couldn't wait? They know it's going to be bad!

    Democrat Harry Reid exempted his staff from having to purchase health insurance from the Obamacare exchanges. Hmmm?

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 6:27 p.m.

    I am really looking forward to next year when the ACA will go into effect so that people who write to say how bad it is will really have the actual product in force to evaluate instead of blathering about what a disaster it is when is isn't even in force yet. Also the penalty for not enrolling "eases in" over three years so the young will have time to see the benefit of joining.

    PS. The letter writer needs to take a class in insurance. Every insurance policy ever written uses the same principles he slams the ACA for instituting i.e. we all pay and only a few make claims (sounds like a leftist plot to me!).

  • Kimber Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    For many years now, people who get a job that has benefits are encouraged (if not required) to take insurance just in case. The ACA is no different than that, but most Republicans are very sensitive because they stated that they didn't want it (when they didn't know all the issues) and now they say that Democrats won't listen to their ideas (they have not had anything new previously) The plan I heard from the Republicans (that didn't make it, by the way) was just some more of the same that is already in place.
    It's true that some of the ideas in the ACA came from the Republicans, but when asked for ideas during it's passing, there was no help. As a previous insurance worker and as someone that became self employed and denied insurance, I'm very happy to have something. It's a work in progress, but it's something to help the uninsured. Submit ideas for it going forward, because it's not going away.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    Dave Ramsey, a financial advisor, helps people obtain financial security. He recommends that everyone get health insurance. You never know when an accident or illness will strike. Having insurance will soften the financial blow that can come with accidents and illnesses. Many without insurance have gone bankrupt because of staggering medical bills, or their insurance company dropped them, or the insurance company weaseled out of covering pre-existing conditions.

    Some of Obamacare is good. It is also good that everyone get health insurance for the reasons I mentioned above.

    But some of Obamacare is very, very bad. It is a poorly written law because, as Nancy Pelosi alluded, it was not read and studied before it was passed. Likewise, it had no GOP support as Democrats locked the Republicans out of the process, refusing to address GOP proposals and amendments.

    Because of Democrats obstinance and power-mongering, we are in a position where needless harm is being done to citizens and the economy (as businesses are decreasing full-time positions).

    Rewrite the law. Just rewrite the thing and move on. Involve Republicans and rewrite it. Democrats & Republicans must lose their pride and arrogance and do the right thing.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 12:49 p.m.

    Hemlock, may we see some documented proof of the claims you just made?

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    Republicans in DC are just now realizing they have a very serious problem on their hands - as millions enroll in private insurance via the ACA website, calls to simply eliminate ACA become increasingly politically and practically infeasible.

    "Let's keep the protection on pre-existing conditions, that's popular" - except you need a large, balanced pool to do that.

    "Let's just make it so people can opt out of everything" - except you need a large, balanced pool to pay for children with pre-existing conditions.

    "Let's allow high deductible catastrophic plans" - except that undermines the whole model, financially.

    Republicans are going to have to push to allow insurance companies to exclude children and those with pre-existing conditions.

    Conservatives should be honest, and start calling themselves Darwinists, because the health care model they espouse provides great care - for the rich and for those who don't need healthcare. Everyone else gets punished relentlessly.

    If a young family has a sick child, they can appeal to charity - and prepare to have their home repossessed - so the young and healthy don't have to pay for its healthcare.

    Or they can do as Darwinism suggests - let the child die.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    Blaming Republicans makes for a simplistic tag line, but Republicans including Sen. Bill Bennett tried to participate in the ACA. They were turned down and told this was strictly a Democrat initiative and that because of the super majority, they didn't need bipartisanship. Some features of the Wyden-Bennett plan were incorporated in the ACA when Sen. Wyden refused to go along with the ACA as then written. Now liberals and the Democrats are looking for bipartisanship to save the flawed ACA. Their partisan hubris is coming home to roost.

    Republicans have advocated patient centered health reform with health care savings accounts supplemented by medical disaster insurance. That may not be the best answer but saying the Republicans had no alternatives is willful ignorance. The Democrats have become the party of No.

  • FreedomFighter41 Provo, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 9:50 a.m.

    The main fallacy of this letter is thinking that "the young" don't need health insurance.

    Are, "the young" not susceptible to disease? Do they have magic anti-bodies? Unbreakable bones?

    When "the young" need health care but don't have insurance, who ends up paying for their health care?

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Dec. 27, 2013 8:59 a.m.

    "The ACA is a disaster. This is what happens when one party crafts a huge bill in haste without any substantive input from the other side.'

    So Sal this has been beaten to death on this thread but just a quick reminder that it was passed was only passed without substantive input from the other because their input wasn't substantive. It was no. Just like it had been for 70 years, and it's still no.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 8:50 a.m.

    In their attempt to destroy Obamacare, conservatives and Republicans have opened Pandora's Box, openly calling for and cheerleading young people taking the selfish approach and fighting back against "inter-generational subsidies" (a term coined by one of the Koch Brothers organizations).

    Think beyond Obamacare for a minute, folks. Gutting "inter-generational subsidies" means getting rid of tax funded education for K-12. It means throwing out tax advantages for young families who claim the costs of children (in the process selfishly shifting costs to those without children).

    When a child is born, they are subsidized, both by their parents, and by society, until they can make it on their own, and it's been this way for thousands of years.

    If young people really want to avoid paying for health insurance, it we're really getting down to the money and who benefits, maybe they need to first repay society for their educational costs for Kindergarten through HS.

    Congress and the Legislature need to change the tax laws to stop punishing people with no kids - Equality for ALL Tax Payers! No more subsidies for the selfish!

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 8:36 a.m.

    It is a mistake on the part of the young to think they won't need health insurance. Life comes with no guarantee for any of us. That's why we need a single payer system.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Dec. 27, 2013 7:55 a.m.

    David John Marotta, a top financial advisor, worried that Obamacare, the NSA spying scandal and spiraling national debt is increasing the chances for a fiscal and social disaster, is recommending that Americans prepare a “bug-out bag” that includes food, a gun and ammo to help them stay alive.
    Everyone should take this opportunity to thank a Democrat for bringing us ALL of these disasters!

  • Sal Provo, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 7:07 a.m.

    The ACA is a disaster. This is what happens when one party crafts a huge bill in haste without any substantive input from the other side. Now Obama is unconstitutionally throwing whole segments of the law overboard trying to save his sinking ship.

  • Michael Matthews Omaha, NE
    Dec. 27, 2013 6:39 a.m.


    It's more of the same. My generation and that of my parents' s have voted in lawmakers who have robbed and stolen from the younger generations for years. The republicans do it via entitlement programs such as "child tax credits" borrowing Chinese money of which the burden of paying it off is passed on to their and our children. The democrats do it with their huge slate of entitlement programs: welfare is the biggest drain, so ironic that it hurts people in the long run more than it helps. Both parties have stolen from social security for years. Soon social security will have the same issues. $$$ will come from the younger generation who can't afford it and they will get less than they put in or nothing in return by the time they retire. It's sad, but eventually we will get to Greece's levels and finally learn our lesson, much like Detroit is learning to a lesser extent now.