BYU football: Cougars looking for validation, momentum vs. Washington

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  • oaklandaforlife SLC, UT
    Dec. 28, 2013 1:17 p.m.

    Validation denied.

  • Swimmer Honeyville, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 4:08 p.m.

    I suspect many of you are too young to remember when AZ and ASU were kings of the WAC. Then, in 1978, they both moved to the PAC 8, which became the PAC 10. It has now been 35 years since that move. How many PAC 10 championships have those schools won in football? One?

    They both were already great baseball schools before the move. AZ has become an elite basketball program, but probably due more to a great coach (Lute Olsen) than the conference.

    I would bet that Utah will follow that same path. Nothing better than also rans in football. Sixth place in the PAC 12 is about where they will be in a good year. Their basketball program might climb into the the top 5 on occasion.

    So they get to have some big name programs come into Utah occasionally. That's not much of a prize if you get beat most years and sit home during bowl season. The single best advantage is the money. But as far as prestige? No. I grew up and live outside of Utah. BYU is well known and respected in many circles. Utah? Not so much.

    So trade places? No.

  • Objectified Tooele, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 3:20 p.m.

    Jake, D4inSLC, goforit and other Utah fans would love to see BYU "shut it down". As well you should.

    Even though Utah has recently been eking out single score wins against the Y in football and even once a decade in basketball, most Ute fans are getting tired of sitting home for the holidays and (whether they admit it or not) watching and envying the Y's ongoing bowl record... something like 7 or 8 years in a row and going for their 5th straight bowl win tonight. Only a Ute fan with their head in the sand wouldn't envy those numbers.

    Heck, I'd bet there are a lot of Ute fans now even envying the Aggies... especially after their impressive bowl victory against a 12-win nationally ranked team last night. I guarantee that USU players and fans are currently much more happy than the Ute players and fans are... even Chris B... though he'd rather die than admit it.

    @ JD:

    Yes, the Utes often play teams like Washington. But they seldom compete against them. That's the big difference. BYU is looking forward to actually winning against them... while the Utes sit home watching... again!

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 2:23 p.m.

    Cougars looking for validation, momentum vs. Washington

    You heard it live of course BYU has to beat a member of the PAC-12 to validate their existance. They have not beaten anyone in the PAC-12 this year in football and Standford was a fluke in basketball.

    @Duckhunter BYU may had a tough schedule but Utah had the #1 toughest schedule in the Country. byu fans don’t want to trade because they know that they cannot compete week after week with the big boys. After all you lost to Utah, Wisconsin, Virginia, Notre Dame. All in BCS conferences and beat a very poor B12 Texas team who fired their DC and head coach respectively.
    Utah is close to competing but had a set back at their QB, WR, TE due to injuries and with lack of depth they struggled at those key position which hampered the offense. When Utah gets their offense going which is going to happen under Christensen watch out for the mighty Utes. Go Huskies pound the cooters

    Dec. 27, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    I'm with Jake - just shut it down.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Dec. 27, 2013 12:24 p.m.

    RE: dww722\

    "If you say you wouldn't want to see USC, Stanford, UCLA, Arizona St etal. in Provo on a regular basis you're either lying or you've completely lost your marbles."

    The "etal" is the problem. Do I want to see ASU, AZ, WSU, Oregon St., and CU in Provo on a regular basis? No, I'd much rather see the equivalent (Houston, Georgia Tech, Boise State). I love playing the top PAC12 competition and am glad we got contracts with USC and Stanford for November games... but I also love playing a national schedule, especially since I don't live in PAC12 country. Would I rather be in the Big12 than Independent? Absolutely. Pac12? No thanks.

  • DRay Roy, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    The Utes are like on welfare, they get the big games by default of being in a Conference, while the Cougars are taking the risk, working to earn these big game opportunities and win or lose, they deserve credit for that spirit that built up this great country. Independence means battling every day, taking nothing for this bowl game, we need the stars to shine; K. Van Noy, are you up to playing great again? Show us.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 12:14 p.m.

    Let's see.....would I want to trade......

    No, I wouldn't want to continually miss bowl games and be the 5th of 6 teams in the southern division just so I could buy stuff with the PAC 12 logo on it. I'd not want to be invited mainly because I was a secular school and the conference has zero tolerance for "any church school", the conference was told to pound sand by the Big 12 teams, and along with Colorado (such a powerhouse partner for sure) being invited they needed one more team so they could have a play-off. That's basically what Utah got, has and is. In three years they haven't won 10 conference games yet and have missed going to a bowl two years running (and counting).

    They do have PAC 12 banners everywhere, managed a fluke win over Stanford (this year's bright spot), and managed to defeat their new rival (Colorado) again. And they're managed to hire 4 OC's in 4 years, something no one else in the country can seem to do. So I guess they're really happy with such accomplishments.

    No thanks on the trade.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Dec. 27, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    I'm looking forward to the doomsday whining from BYU fans after losing to UW.

    I'm looking forward to the gloating of the Utah fans over a BYU defeat by a team Utah has NEVER beaten.

    I'm looking forward to seeing how long Sark lasts at USC. His UW record would get him fired at USC.

    Boys and Girls, Utah has joined a conference in which it will never be really competitive. They will never match USC, Stanford, Oregon, ASU, and Washington's funding. UW owns half of downtown Seattle. Utah owns what? Sagebrush? So Utah, like Oregon State, Arizona, WSU even UCLA, will spend most years getting beaten by the big money high prestige teams.

    BYU will continue its national exposure, will get better players, and will be seen and respected nationally. They actually have a better chance of playoff entry than Utah. All BYU has to do is get ranked in the top 8. They play enough good teams to make that happen. Just win, baby.

    So no, as a Husky and BYU fan, I would not recommend that BYU trades places with Utah. Ask me again in five years, though.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Dec. 27, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    Fair question.

    Would I wish BYU to trade places with Utah in a heartbeat? Hmmm, no. Would I ponder carefully? Yes, but some things that are non-negotiable make trading places into the PAC a fantasy and really not worth pondering.

    But maybe the Big 12? With concessions? Hmmmm...

    Trade with Notre Dame? From what little I understand, they have a deal we might like. If I'm going to be envious, I'll envy Notre Dame.

  • Duckhunter SLC, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 11:17 a.m.


    BYU's schedule was in the top 25% of schedules in the nation. utah is a loser program, face it because it is a fact. Look forward to more losing, all of the time, because that is what you are getting and will ocntinue to get.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Dec. 27, 2013 11:12 a.m.


    Remind who Utah is playing this bowl season to seek "validation, momentum".

    Obviously, simply being in the PAC doesn't mean much if all you're doing is proving that you don't belong.

  • dww722 North Salt Lake, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 11:08 a.m.

    I would trade places with the Utes in the PAC12 (minus the losing)in a heartbeat and suspect that Holmoe, Bronco, Rose, the athletes and anyone else with a brain would do the same. I think BYU is and has always been the better choice for the PAC, has a far better overall athletic program and would compete at a much higher level in all sports than the Utes. If you say you wouldn't want to see USC, Stanford, UCLA, Arizona St etal. in Provo on a regular basis you're either lying or you've completely lost your marbles.

  • Cougarbaseball Rifle, CO
    Dec. 27, 2013 10:34 a.m.

    @PAC-12 fan

    No, this true BYU fan has no desire to change places with Utah. That's because independence and the ESPN contract allow me to see a lot more BYU games than I would get to see if they were stuck in another lame conference TV contract.

    However, I love the PAC-12 and root for its teams all the time because I'm sick of the East coast bias present in every poll. The PAC-12 is probably the toughest football conference in the nation despite what everyone says about the SEC. The reason the SEC has so many recent national championships is because of the bias that puts them in those games against usually inferior teams from the Northeast.

    As far as basketball the Pac-12 is showing vast improvement over the past few years when really they were probably weaker than the WCC.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 27, 2013 9:24 a.m.



    Any "fan" who doesn't think that Texas is truly one of the big boys obviously doesn't know anything about major college football. The Longhorns are 30th in both the AP and Coaches polls this week and finished the regular season in a tie for 2nd in the Big 12.



    There's nothing special about being a perennial big boy conference bottom dweller. Don't kid yourself. Utah fans would give their eye teeth to be playing in a bowl tonight.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 8:03 a.m.

    Even though Utah Football is down, is there any true cougar fans that wouldn't change places with Utah right now?

    Why or why not?

  • goforit Provo, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 7:33 a.m.

    I don't see a problem with Jake2010's comment. BYU fans tend to get way to hyped over the so called experts predictions every year, and expect too much, then complain when their expectations aren't met.

    BYU is exactly what Jake stated as is Utah, no difference. Utah just loses more because they play these teams more often. BYU doesn't have good enough lineman to be elite in football, plain and simple, nor do I think they will ever achieve that. In basketball they can't play defense well enough to beat very good teams. They are good enough offensively but not defensively. Again I see the future as the same, great offensively fair to poor defensively.

    All Jake is saying and I have been saying for a long time is enjoy what you have many people would love what you have just don't expect the top not going to happen.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Dec. 27, 2013 6:33 a.m.

    Rather than shut it down, they should probably find a way to prove me and other skeptics wrong. I would love nothing more than to be wrong on this... And who knows... Maybe I am becoming a budding Utah fan... It certainly hasn't been ruled out...

  • JD Las Vegas, NV
    Dec. 27, 2013 12:16 a.m.

    Oh"I bleed blue", why did you have to drag the Utes into the conversation? The truth is BYU worked all summer and played all season to become eligible and earn the opportunity to play against the type of quality opponent that the Utes get to play almost every week of the season. Congrats on getting to a pre-arranged bowl, but look at the whole picture, all that work and effort, to play a team that the Utes, who you are mocking, get to play all the time. I don't see how that is considered "premiere", your qualifying for events by playing a lesser brand of opponents. The WCC as a whole is not a quality conference and this Independent football status seems really pointless. Win all you can.... but it's not premiere. If your program is so respected as you spout off supposed great qualities....where is your invitation to the big leagues?

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Dec. 26, 2013 11:59 p.m.

    Jake, I guess you thought too, as late as just this mid-season, that there would never be another national champion besides Alabama?

  • BlackDiamond Provo, UT
    Dec. 26, 2013 10:45 p.m.

    Lets Go Cougars!

  • I Bleed Blue Las Vegas, NV
    Dec. 26, 2013 8:10 p.m.

    Wow Jake, I guess BYU should just shut it down. Just recently BYU had the college basketball player of the year and a sweet 16 run. Who knows what could have been if Davies would have played the entire year. I guess consistent winning seasons and post season bowl games in football doesn't mean much either. Being identified as having premier facilities,an ESPN contract and state of the art TV is just a waste of time. I'm sure another university could take over being identified as a premier NIKE program. BYU is one of ten to twenty programs nation wide that have that. Good thing your not a Utah fan.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Dec. 26, 2013 6:21 p.m.

    Validation? Momentum? All season long they were validated as a team that can't beat the big boys any more... The truly big boys... The 'still ranked's'... The problem has followed the campus to the hardwood... There will not ever be a championship of national prestige on that campus again. I wish it was different, but 23 years have proven it pretty solid. I don't see the landscape changing. I love independence... I love the Cougars... But we are never going to be crowned kings of the gridiron or hardwoods again.... Whatever element was around when it 'happened' has been permanently lost. We must simply become content with also ran or couldn't run status... Cool victories here and there will continue to be enjoyed, but no January or March madness is on the horizon...