Brad Rock: Whittingham will rise or fall with his friends

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  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Dec. 29, 2013 2:19 p.m.


    Is that why you have such a deep perspective that you have to share with all of us? LOL

  • Duckhunter SLC, UT
    Dec. 29, 2013 11:38 a.m.


    "Potential" huh? I bet that is fun to watch. Losers gain perspective.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Dec. 27, 2013 2:36 p.m.


    How was my response bitter? I wished you a Merry Christmas

    I like every Utah fan is bummed we aren't going to a bowl game. But, I also recognize the progress made by the team. Though the record was the same, they defended the spread a lot better, and when healthy, the offense was better.

    As far as BYU is concerned, I like them to lose all the time, but a gut punch, not at all. You know as well as I do that if Utah had played BYU's schedule Utah would be going to a bowl game just like BYU. The real gut punch is that Utah, as bad as BYU fans think they are, continue to beat BYU like circus monkeys. The other gut punch, is that until gets to a power conference BYU will NEVER have the potential that Utah has.

  • Duckhunter SLC, UT
    Dec. 27, 2013 10:15 a.m.


    So since utah won in basketball for the first time in 8 tries, and only the 2nd time in 13 tries, they now "own" BYU in that sport? Will that also be the case when BYU next beats utah in football despite it being the first time in several tries? I'm sure you will try to spin it differently in that case but that is the standard hypocrisy of a utah "fan".


    I enjoy how bitterly you respond. You know as well as I do that it is an embarrassment and a gut punch to know BYU is playing in another bowl game while utah is once again not in one. Yes you can make all of the whiney SOS excuses and "but we beat BYU" declarations you want to make but the fact remains utah is a losing team, firmly established as such by multiple consecutive seasons of losing records, and non bowl team, once again firmly established as such by multiple consecutive seasons of no bowls. Facts.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 26, 2013 11:35 a.m.


    Utah owns NOTHING where it really counts, on a national scale

    BYU has won 12 of the last 16, 129-126 overall in basketball; BYU has 17 AP Top 25 finishes to only 5 for Utah in football

    The Utes are a has been in basketball and a never been on a national scale in football

    NCAA Tournaments during the Rose era
    BYU - 7
    Utah - 3

    Bowl Games during the Mendenhall/Whittingham era
    BYU - 9
    Utah - 7

    Dec. 25, 2013 7:42 p.m.

    We truly appreciate your concern, byu "fans", but to be truthful, we Ute supporters aren't really that worried about your continual rude remarks toward our athletic programs. It just further shows how much you guys are jealous about us and our new conference, and the fact that your school received no invite to a major conference.

    And, yes, we still own you in both football and basketball.

  • NorCalCougarAlum Elk Grove, CA
    Dec. 24, 2013 9:46 p.m.

    The reality is that it might take two or three decades and many head coaches to become competitive in the PAC-12. Just look at how long it took Arizona and Arizona State to become competitive when they left the WAC to join the PAC-10. You can't blame Kyle Whittingham for this dilemma. Facilities need to improve as well as the University of Utah's academic reputation needs to improve to bring about consistent winning seasons. Yes, Utah has defeated BYU the last four years along with overall recruiting. However, BYU will continue to win because it doesn't play overall schedules too far above its competitive level like Utah.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Dec. 24, 2013 4:22 p.m.

    And Duck,

    You're incorrect, I won't be watching. Welcome back from Tulsa and Merry Christmas

  • Thefullnancy SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Dec. 24, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    Three words for the future of Ute football. Mediocrity, mediocrity, mediocrity. Basketball has a much better chance for future success in the PAC than football.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Dec. 23, 2013 6:08 p.m.

    Reno and Duck

    Let's face it. BYU fans want to be better than Utah so badly they can't stand it. But, because BYU can't beat Utah on the field (or the court now) they have to try other ways of "proving" it. So they go to the moral superiority, ESPN contract, our stadium holds more, or we get a bowl game argument.

    Reality: BYU has peaked in the WCC and the Fight Hunger Bowl, while Utah, though struggling in its first few years in the Pac-12 continues to spank BYU, is in the position that all BYU fans want to be, and have a much higher ceiling than BYU can even fathom. At that reality rots BYU fans to the core, so they troll Utah articles, and try to get their jabs in. And that's fine, because it is just an indictment of their own insecurity.

    GO UTES!!

  • Duckhunter SLC, UT
    Dec. 23, 2013 5:23 p.m.


    And yet you'll be watching BYU play in a bowl game and utah will once again be nowhere to be seen. LOL!

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    Dec. 23, 2013 3:16 p.m.

    To all BYU haters,
    I thought the U moved past BYU three years ago? Why is BYU still the measuring stick you use? You are beating BYU in recruiting but how are you doing against the rest of your so called rivals? Last I checked you were near the bottom against the rest of the league! It must make the MUSS and the rest of UTE nation proud and excited that you just hired the failed ex-coach from that great football mecca Wyoming to be your next OC!!! No bowls and now retread WAC coaches!!! Onward and Upward????

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    Dec. 23, 2013 12:23 p.m.


    But somehow, that talent beats Tradition, Spirit and Honor head to head. Like a hammer pounding a nail.

    Go Utes

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Dec. 23, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    @Chris B
    And yet all those NFL recruits you keep spouting bout can't get to a bowl game LOL

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Dec. 23, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    Pac 10.2 already 0-1 in bowl games LOL

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 23, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    If Christensen doesn't work out - Lane Kiffin might be available next year.

  • AF_Aggie North Las Vegas, NV
    Dec. 22, 2013 8:10 p.m.

    The ESPN article also mentions that Utah was the 68th most watched team, behind San Diego State, Air Force, and SMU. I found it surprising that the move to the PAC really hasn't materialized into what everyone thought it would. More exposure? Maybe, hopefully eventually for their sake, but it's certainly not there yet.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Dec. 21, 2013 9:50 p.m.

    @Chris B

    Success is not defined by one game anymore. For Utah success is defined by how they do in their division first and in the league second. Beating BYU is nice, but there isn't much to gain from a victory. Most of the fans aren't happy with how the Utes have performed. They have not kept up with the league in recruiting and the results on the field reflect it. Utah is playing tougher schedules and they are losing a majority of their games, failing to make bowls and what wins they have had have all gone down to the wire.

    Utah needs to recruit better or improve coaching. Which will it be?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2013 8:50 p.m.


    You do realize that Utah has beaten byu in recruiting every year for the last 4 years right?

    So if utes needs to worry about recruititing and Utah is beating byu every year....

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Dec. 21, 2013 6:05 p.m.

    Just watched Ender's Game yesterday. A word of advice for Witt---Know thy enemy. Witt knows BYU so he doesn't lose often to them. He needs to know the teams in his conference better in order to defeat them.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Dec. 21, 2013 4:41 p.m.

    I think you are on to something Rock.

    If you've always been a defensive coach you probably never paid much attention to the offense when you were coming up through the ranks. Now you are a head coach and all you know about offense is that its not working. So what do you do? You keep throwing people under the bus until you finally get someone you trust and who knows how to explain stuff to you.

    Maybe now Utah will actually invest in more depth for the offense even if it comes at the expense of the defense. Problem solved.

    This could be the start of beautiful relationship...

  • 32843 PROVO, UT
    Dec. 21, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    A story ran on the ESPN web site yesterday about which conferences were the winners or losers in the recent conference realignment. The PAC-12 was the runaway loser according the analysts, citing Utah specifically as not bringing anything to the conference. They even went so far as saying CO was at least moving in the right direction. These analysts implied that it was a big mistake to have invited Utah to the PAC-12. This is a perception held not just by these ESPN analysts. If they're saying it others are saying it, too, and this wil impact future recruiting. So far, Utah hasn't done anything to convince unbiased observers that they aren't in over their heads.

    In spite of the "all's well at the UoU" comments of those like Chris B, and blaming jealous BYU fans of finding fault where there is none, Whittingham's really up against it now. The only way Utah can overcome the aforementioned perception is by winning and Whit had better start doing this next season.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 21, 2013 1:45 p.m.

    What does it tell you about the quality of coaches that they ACCEPT demotions, rather than find a job somewhere else? Either they are too scared, too complacent, or not respected enough to find a job elsewhere. Ed Ogeron did a fine job as the interim head coach at USC and when he wasn't considered for the head job resigned, because he had pride and confidence in himself and his reputation.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Dec. 21, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    Coaching isn't the biggest challenge at the U.

    Sixty 4 star and above athletes signed with PAC-12 schools in 2013, only one of those came to Utah.

    So far in 2014, forty 4 star and above recruits have signed with PAC-12 school, again Utah has only one.

    Nick Saban couldn't win consistently in the PAC-12 with that large of a disparity in talent (USC didn't sign a single 3 star athlete in 2013, they were all 4 or 5 star).

    The truth is no PAC-12 school circles the Utah game on their schedule and I don't think any team Utah played in conference this year points to Utah as their best effort of the year.

    Truth is, as Utah gets better and wins a couple of game in Conference, teams will view them as a threat and things will get harder.

    I'm a fan and want things to improve, but I'm realistic enough to understand that it will be a long, hard road. In my mind differentiation has always been the key to improving, so I'm concerned that hiring an OC who runs the spread just makes Utah another "me too" school running the flavor of the month offense.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Dec. 21, 2013 12:03 p.m.


    "It is more than just a tad obvious that most of the gloom and doom posts are from bitter Y fans."

    BYU fans are simply stating reality; it's crimson-glasses wearing Utah fans who've chosen to ignore the fact that having 6 OC's in 6 years is a sign of program that is in deep trouble.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Dec. 21, 2013 11:11 a.m.

    @Chris B
    LOL so now losing makes you better? How so? LOL ridiculous If that's the case then Byu will dominate Utah from here on out after losing 4 times in a row right? LOL

  • imcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 21, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    I chuckle while reading these posts. It is more than just a tad obvious that most of the gloom and doom posts are from bitter Y fans. Kyle is a great coach who will probably pull this out. If he doesn't, we will get Pac 12 caliber coach who will. The future is bright on the hill folks. Pasadena is not far away. I am excited.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Dec. 21, 2013 8:19 a.m.

    Alpine, UT

    "The Utes will have to win all of their toss ups just to finish 4-8."

    Ouch! That's a brutal assessment, bro! I wouldn't bet on that!

    Good luck Utes! And Go Cougars and Aggies!

  • imcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 21, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    Put your BYU blue away for just long enough to use reason instead of emotion.. .

    Fresno State at home - a toss up? Really?
    Arizona at home may be a toss up but not a automatic losses.
    Same with USC.
    Washington State and Colorado are not toss ups either.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't think Utah will win a whole slug of games next year but your assessment was a tad ridiculous. I just wish we could schedule the Y again.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    Dec. 20, 2013 9:03 p.m.

    4-5, 3-6, 2-7,

    2014 could easily be 1-8

    Don't see how Whit will survive another bottom of the conference, bowl-less season.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Dec. 20, 2013 7:17 p.m.

    Chris B,

    I have a huge amount of respect for KW. But check out how the recruiting is going. Poor win-loss and no bowl games have damaged recruiting to the point that Utah will be in a horrible situation in three years. You can't win the PAC-12 with only three-star recruits. You know that, and you jab naive BYU fans who think every year is a potential national championship. Recruits don't care about SOS. The kids look at rankings and bowl games. I personally don't believe that KW will see another rivalry game with BYU. His time is limited.

    If I was KW, I'd keep my options open. He may once again coach an elite winning team in a big conference. But I doubt it will be at Utah.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 20, 2013 6:51 p.m.

    thomasjefferson: You REALLY nailed it!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 20, 2013 5:20 p.m.

    Whit is the man for the job

    We were literally 3 plays away from being 8-5. True Utah fans aren't panicking, we had the hardest schedule in the nation!

    I wonder what the average wins is for teams with the hardest schedule in the county.
    Two years ago we couldn't have beaten Stanford and taken ranked osu, ranked asu, and ranked ucla down to the final play.

    We will get some of those bounces next year and be fine

    I welcome a brutal schedule. In a couple more years we will be glad we got better by playing with the best.

    Next year, even without a couple gimme wins against local WAC programs I still see a good season.

    Go utes!
    Onward and upward