nosaerfoecioveht"What is the significance of RPI before
conference play has even started?"Pre-season is 40% of the
entire regular season and counts just as much as conference play as far as
qualifying for the NCAA tournament. If you don't think that's
significant, try passing a class in school after failing the first 40% of the
tb--"The men's game was a little more understandable with
Utah shooting lights out on their home court."Not true, as we
shot 41.5% for the game and average 52.7% on the season....This victory
wasn't even remotely a fluke....We completely dominated byu....Savannah
State was a greater challenge for us.
Need an Oregon win to offset a very bad Utah loss.
What is the significance of RPI before conference play has even started?It's the same as the ratio of Stanley Nickles to Schrute Bucks.
thebigsaomoan"I was also very upset about the loss by both the
men and women's teams last weekend in basketball."The
women's loss was especially upsetting. How do you allow an opposing player
to drive the lane for an uncontested layup to tie the game with only 6 seconds
left on the clock when the play started.The men's game was a
little more understandable with Utah shooting lights out on their home court.
Still, the Cougars didn't demonstrate the same composure they'd played
with in games against much better teams earlier in the season.
Carolina has lost to RPI/BPI #65/#121 Belmont, #144/#88 UAB, and (gasp) Texas,
yet the Tar Heels are ranked #14/#18 in the polls, with RPI/BPI rankings of
#17/#25."The difference is that North Carolina or any other
school does not get nearly as much the abuse and ridicule BYU gets when they
lost to supposedly weak competition. I long for respect but it doesn't
come when we keep on losing when it counts!
@SwoopSalt Lake City, UTthebigsamoan"What's so great about having a higher RPI or SOS ranking if you are
constantly being humiliated by a so called lowly Utes team!"CONSTANTLY?What are you talking about?This was
Utah's 1st win in the series in the last 8 games, and only Utah's 4th
win in 16 games during the Dave Rose era.My bad! I was referring to
our football record against the Utes! I was also very upset about the loss by
both the men and women's teams last weekend in basketball.
Once again just like football Chris B is hanging the ENTIRE season's
success on a win against BYU. Nothing else matters. The only way the utes make
into any tourney is if they get invited to the 4A state tourney since thay have
the best in-stste high school record.
In my opinion Carlino is a huge part of any win or any loss. Against Utah he
was terrible and yet he kept cranking it up from long distance. it is time to
thebigsamoanNorth Carolina has lost to RPI/BPI #65/#121 Belmont,
#144/#88 UAB, and (gasp) Texas, yet the Tar Heels are ranked #14/#18 in the
polls, with RPI/BPI rankings of #17/#25.Locally, BYU's loss to
Utah may seem like a big deal; nationally, it was barely noticed.
thebigsamoan"What's so great about having a higher RPI or
SOS ranking if you are constantly being humiliated by a so called lowly Utes
team!"CONSTANTLY?What are you talking about?This was Utah's 1st win in the series in the last 8 games, and only
Utah's 4th win in 16 games during the Dave Rose era.Upsets
happen.What's so great about having a high RPI and SOS is those
are two of the critical criteria the NCAA tournament selection committee will be
looking at on Selection Sunday.
CBThere are only five college basketball conferences without any
sub-200 Pomeroy teams: Big Ten, ACC, Big East, Pac 12 and WCCBYU's conference schedule is much stronger than Utah's
non-conference schedule.btw, Nov 8th to Dec 28th are the first TWO
months of the season; only a slightly shorter time span than Jan 2nd to Mar 8th
conference season.More importantly, it's 12 of 30 games (40%)
of the regular season, MUCH MORE than your feeble attempt to minimize the
pre-season as only the "first month" of the season.Utah's NCAA tournament resume is bereft of any significant accomplishment
save your upset win over BYU. You'd better hope that BYU finishes strong
and makes the tournament or you won't have any quality wins on your resume.
@TroyTownAnaheim, CA"Despite BYU's uninspired game
versus a lesser Utah team, most experts still consider BYU to be better than
Utah."And that's precisely why all those so called
experts' RPI and SOS rankings are rubbish! What's so great about
having a higher RPI or SOS ranking if you are constantly being humiliated by a
so called lowly Utes team! It just makes us look even more pathetic. I want
and hope the Utes will rise to top of the PAC 12 because it will make our losses
to them look credible. How proud can we be to know that we can't beat a so
called bottom dweller in the PAC? It just lends more weight to Chris B and his
ilks' assertion that we only win (and become bowl eligible in football)
because we pad our schedule with cream puffs. Credibility and respect is earned
by winning consistently against elite competition. That, I'm afraid, is
what we still haven't done! I'm hoping it's going to happen soon
against Oregon in basketball and Washington in football the next few weeks!Go Cougars!
Chris B@Troy"I noticed you left out conference
strength of schedule."Unfortunately for U, conference SOS
won't make any difference when the conference losses start piling up and
the Utes, as usual, finish with another losing conference record.As
prestigious as it is for Utah to pull off an upset win over BYU, that still
won't be enough to get U into the big dance.
Utah has got their act together in football and now it seems they're
joining the big boys in basketball too. Good for them. Wont be much of a year
for them having a strength of schedule at the very bottom in the nation for
basketball but wins like this will help them become competitive again against
bigger named teams.
Troy,If Utah's numbers are so bad due to playing bad teams,
even after winning, tell me whats going to happen to your numbers after playing
bad WCC teams, even after winning?LOL. Flip, flop, flip flop
Troy,I noticed you left out conference strength of schedule. LOL!And yes, today's RPI, BPI, Pomeroy, ESPN....etc.
all look at TODAY's numbers. And that would make sense, IF you had reason
to believe the future would be more or less similar to the first month of the
season. But did you forget you're about to start conference play, a
conference in which only one team in the whole conference is ranked?Even if byu wins most of the games against San Diego, pepperdine, San
Francisco, and the rest of the teams we forget even exist, you do realize all
those numbers are going to plummet right?If Utah's numbers are
all so horrible due to bad non-conference, you're numbers are going to get
hammered for the same reasons in conference play.LOL!Again, many of the stats your throw out today suggest byu is better than Duke,
Ohio State, Kentucky, and Michigan State. Keep telling yourself there is
I suppose this game will be on the Pac-12 "Network," too, which is
basically "The MTN" on steroids. It's only available here on Dish,
and only as part of its most-expensive package, which makes it more or less a
pay channel. And why would I want to pay for it when the only games I'm
interested in are the BYU games that aren't otherwise on ESPN? By
comparison, BYUtv literally seems like a gift from Heaven.
It was good to see Stanford and Texas win against top notch teams this week.
Would be nice to see the team get back on track. The key seems to be Carlino.
He is a lot like Jonathon Tavernari (spelling?). I would cringe every time he
touched the ball knowing that there was an equal chance that something terrific
or something terrible would happen.
sorry CB, RPI is an important criteria, but it isn't the only criteriaRPI#15 BYU - non-conference SOS #2#131 Utah - non-conference
SOS #344Basketball Power Index#43 BYU - SOS #6#48 Utah -
SOS #265Pomeroy College Basketball Ratings#47 BYU - SOS #55#74 Utah - SOS #349Current ESPN BracketologyBYU projected as
a #10 seedUtah not even a bubble teamDespite BYU's
uninspired game versus a lesser Utah team, most experts still consider BYU to be
better than Utah.
To DN censor:I am confused by your inexplicable denial of my
post:"Good to know they are practicing foul shots, teamwork, and
unselfish play."Especially when it doesn't violate any of
your criteria, and similarr comments were allowed above.I am merely
stating that there are some serious problems that are very apparent to the
average fan that don't seem to be improving from game to game. This
article tells us that at least those problems are being addressed.
How can my statement possibly be taken as disruptive?
If the starting guards struggle - bench them. It's time to play Winder and
Love my Cougs and will cheer for them ALWAYS....but....Given our
performances against ranked teams this year, I have little hope for a victory
against Oregon. I sure hope we can all be surprised because BYU can be very,
very good. So far, it's been a lot of hype and just a slight drizzle of
hope. I'd love to see a better team effort on both sides, less free
lancing and more togetherness. When that happens, we can play ball. When it
doesn't? We give games away in rather stunning fashion!GO
after byu loses to Oregon, sitting at 8-5 with a loss to a Utah team that has a
horrible rpi like byu fans keep telling us, you would have to think that
byu's season is essentially over. Even if they win in the wcc,
that precious rpi will plummet. Sure, todays rpi might suggest byu
gets in the tournament, but current rpi doesn't mean much. And
if you went with rpi, as of a week ago byu was "better" than duke, Ohio
state, Michigan state, and Kentucky.
Nice to know they are practicing free throws. So far Grade = F from the line. It
might not be too pretty on Saturday.
That was indeed a hard game in front of a hostile environment. I
love my Cougars. They will work it out and be fine.Go Cougars!
My desire to watch BYU basketball after the effort against Utah = 0