Doug Robinson: Best and worst of the college football season

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  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 14, 2013 12:17 p.m.

    Saint George, UT

    The picture used is telling. The Ute sign is name-calling and degrading. The BYU sign simply supports the Y. Typical.


    The BYU sign is simply missed spilled, the Ute sign is simply pointing out the obvious.

    Stop staring at the blond and take two seconds to figure out the implied satire.

    Bottom line, BYU would not win 5 conference games playing in the PAC-12 or Big 5.

    Why? Because ex-MWC teams that OWN BYU...

    * 8-0 head-to-head
    * More NFL talent
    * Better recruiting
    * Better coaching
    * Better BCS resume
    * Better record vs BCS teams as mid-majors

    Have struggled and have only been able to win 4 conference game. There is no evidence that BYU would do any better.

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    Dec. 13, 2013 6:22 p.m.

    The most important thing for the Utes to do is keep Erickson. He is the key to failure.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 13, 2013 4:21 p.m.

    To all you Whittingham fans that want to keep him - knock yourself out. I doubt anybody else in Pac-12 will mind.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Dec. 13, 2013 4:14 p.m.

    @ KH
    Actually saying that would be 2-9 is not using logic nor facts.
    To say hypothetically this or that is not logic hence the term "hypo"-thetical (hypo means deficient)
    You have two games to go off of Utah vs BYU and both teams playing Utah State (called a common variable)
    Utah beat BYU by 7 and USU by 4. BYU beat Utah State by 17 (in Logan). So what does the common variable teach us, the game is about matchups and who knows how BYU would have done in Utah's place, and who knows how Utah would have done in BYU's place.
    I applaud Utah for beating BYU but vegas odds are actually some of the most thought out researched items pertaining to sports and if the public perception that Utah is better than BYU (program wise) then why is BYU almost always favored in the game?
    Vegas odds makers make millions to choose the winners and spreads and their perception is that BYU is the better team at least for the last 3 years.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 2:13 p.m.

    Sorry, my mistake. byu would have been 3-9. I forgot about Utah State. byu won that game on their schedule so they would have won it on Utah's schedule.

  • Downtime Saint George, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 1:56 p.m.

    The picture used is telling. The Ute sign is name-calling and degrading. The BYU sign simply supports the Y. Typical.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 11:25 a.m.

    BYU Joe,

    For me it comes down to potential for having an amazing season. I think Utah and Whittingham have more potential than byu does. Why do I think that?

    Whittingham has beaten 3 end of season top 10 teams, which proves he can beat anyone in the nation on any given day. Bronco has never beaten a single end of season top 10 team. Who would I have more faith in next time either team faces a true top 10 team(which admittedly we don't truly know until end of season)

    Whittinghasm has gone undefeated. Bronco has not. Who do I think has a better chance of going undefeated again? Whittingham.

    Whittingham has beaten 2 BCS bowl participants. Bronco has never beaten any. Who would I think has a better chance to beat a team that is BCS(or in the future playoff) worthy? Whittingham.

    If byu fans want to brag that a 1984 title no one outside of provo cares about, fine. But as far as which coach/team is most likely to do something truly amazing in the future? I think its clear Whittingham/Utah is the choice.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    "If BYU had played Utah's schedule, BYU likely would have beaten Utah State, Weber State, Oregon State, Arizona, Washington State, and Colorado, and with Utah at the end to the season where the game should be played, Utah, to finish 7-5."

    Wow, just wow. I've seen it all. A byu fan is now claiming that had they played Utah on a different day the outcome would've been a win for byu. Come back to reality. Utah won the game when it was scheduled to be played. byu had 2 weeks to prepare for it, called it their super bowl, and lost the game at home. byu would be 2-10 with Utah's schedule, having lost to Utah. Oregon State is one of the best passing offenses in the nation. byu's weakness = pass defense. Arizona beat Oregon! You think byu could beat Arizona? Washington State beat Arizona and USC. Again, no win for byu there. The only two games byu would have won are WEber st. and Colorado. 2-10.

    I use logic and facts to support my argument.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 11:15 a.m.

    "One team is still playing and the other is not. You tell me who had the best year."

    You're right, because it is so much better to play and beat Middle Tennessee St., Nevada, Georgia Tech, Houston, a bad Boise St, and Idaho St. then play a PAC 12 Schedule with 5 Top 25 Teams. Byu had 6 Gimme wins. Utah had 2 Gimme win (Weber St., Colorado).

    You don't think Utah would be bowling if they played byu's schedule? I would dare say that Utah would be 10-2 with byu's schedule. Byu was 8-4. Utah would win all the gimmes that byu had, plus they beat byu, and they would've beaten Virginia (possibly the worst D1 team in college football). That would make them 10-2.

    You think byu would've had a better record than Utah had they played Utah's schedule? They would've lost to every team Utah lost to, plus a loss to Utah and a loss to Stanford. byu would've been 2-10.

    byu fans need to consider strength of schedule before they spout off on who had the better record. Anyone can make a bowl game with the schedule byu played.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Dec. 13, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    If BYU had played Utah's schedule, BYU likely would have beaten Utah State, Weber State, Oregon State, Arizona, Washington State, and Colorado, and with Utah at the end to the season where the game should be played, Utah, to finish 7-5.

    BYU has been much better than Utah at conference play over the last 50 years - 23 conference championships to 6, is proof of that.

  • Feliz Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    It would be interesting to take a poll amongst Cougar fans to see if fans think BYU would have a better record than Utah if BYU had played the exact same schedule that Utah did in 2013.

  • Ken Lee Pasadena, CA
    Dec. 13, 2013 5:51 a.m.

    These Ute fans are now relegated to pretending a tough schedule means their team was good….uhhh, you have to win those games to mean anything…and win a high percentage of them to ever be ranked again. The U will always have at least 4-5 losses in good years and 7-10 losses in tough years is now becoming apparent. This translates to a lot of excuses, rationalization, and justifications and odd statistical comparisons as to who played whom and who had more first downs and 3rd down conversions, use time outs more carefully, etc. …that is what the current U fan now has as their go-to play book.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Dec. 12, 2013 11:34 p.m.

    What should be remembered is that a play here or there like 6 less interceptions in a certain game by a certain team and perhaps UCLA goes down.... and etc... On the other hand... A few more executed drives and Provo September 21st wasn't a loss, nor a win for the teams as it ended up... and etc... The one etc I choose to ignore is that end of game interception having not been secured and the trip to Texas was a loss rather than a win... Of that I don't think there can be any doubt! We live among some pretty bizarre fans of both institutions... I accept that Kitty Nation has some fruity fans among us... Tribe Nation of the hill certainly has a bushel of them too! I am excited for the two year hiatus and depending on how Saturday ends up it is all well and good if it extends to the basketball court in future seasons... Rivalries do well after brief absences from each other...

    Dec. 12, 2013 10:48 p.m.

    Upsets happen and I will admit fully and completely that Utah is much better at upsets than BYU - they do it more often.

    But the game is about a full season - not the occasional upset. BYU was upset a few times this year - it happens to good team. Utah upset a few teams - that happens to inferior teams.

    But at the end season you look at the overall record and results. That is what counts and nothing else.

    I would never trade a few upsets for a bad season.

    Utah had two very good ones - they beat BYU and they beat Stanford. That makes for a couple of good nights but it does not make a season.

    BYU lost to Utah and Virginia - makes for a couple of bad nights but that does not make a season.

    One team is still playing and the other is not. You tell me who had the best year.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 8:15 p.m.

    The guy with the sign misspelled Cougars.

  • Vegas POV Las Vegas, NV
    Dec. 12, 2013 7:17 p.m.

    Boys. Boys! Enough. Go to your corners.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Dec. 12, 2013 5:23 p.m.

    It is one thing to be as BYU was, the only 'division 1 FBS' team another team beat... It is a completely different thing to have to say the same thing in week 7 of the season or later as being the only FBS team another FBS team beat... I'd rather lose a first game slop fest to a team that wouldn't go on to beat another team like that, than to have watched said team lose 7 straight weeks to FBS competition only to finally win one... I will bet you that if Nevada had been week one and Virginia week 14 the story would be completely different... First of all, perhaps the start to season was 1-0 instead of 0-1... Secondly, BYU would have beaten Virginia... Again, the things people 'choose' to focus on continues to baffle me! And why I am entertaining a 'what if' scenario also baffles me!

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    Dec. 12, 2013 5:18 p.m.

    End of season top ten... Whoopty doo! Tell me this... How many coaches in Utah outside of K Whit have even played an in season top 10 team in the past decade? That is what I thought... The things chosen to be focused on continue to 'amaze' me!

  • truthsandwich RANDOLPH, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 3:58 p.m.

    BYU fans were chanting "overrated" during the Texas game?

    Welp. They nailed it.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Dec. 12, 2013 3:56 p.m.

    "Best of the season?

    utah beating end of season top 10 Stanford..."

    Worst of the season?

    utah finishing at the bottom of the pac10.2, going bowling at the local alley, and being the first in the state clean out their lockers.

    Oh wait, maybe that is the BEST!


  • relientk Saratoga Springs, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 3:55 p.m.


    Best of season: BYU is going bowling again. And not the ten-pin kind of bowling you and your Utes will be doing. LOL!!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 3:06 p.m.

    Best of the season?

    Utah beating end of season top 10 Stanford, the 3rd time Whittingham has beaten an end of season top 10 team.

    No other head coach in Utah has even a single win against an end of season top 10 team, which just goes to show there is only a single team/coach in Utah who is truly capable of even dreaming of a national title.

    Worst of the season?

    byu losing to Virginia, a team that didn't beat another division 1 team all year