Utah Jazz: Red-hot Jazz shock the Kings, 122-101

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  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 6:11 p.m.

    I'm not even sure if I see a championship in my lifetime. It would be a dream come true if they did but my continuing to be a fan doesn't depend on it. I don't know how far the pieces we have can take us but those pieces could change dramatically in the next couple of years as we draft more players and sign some free agents. Things can change quickly. In 2004 preseason all the experts saiid the Jazz might be the worst team in NBA history. That year we only won 26 games but it led to drafting Deron Williams in the lottery and 2 years later we were in the western conference finals. So you never know. I'm hoping for now the Jazz can make it back to the playoffs in a year or 2, then win a round or 2 after that, and by then we will be more appealing to better free agents to get us to the next level. As you can see, I'm not expecting very much too soon, but hoping in the next few years we can be a contender again.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 8:40 a.m.

    Americanvet: The question is do you see championship in the pieces mentioned above? Because I see a bunch of role players that might not even be enough to get the Jazz home court advantage in the next three years.

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 7:23 a.m.

    We know Favors has signed and will be around for a long time. I'm not sure Hayward will be back next year. The Jazz won't pay him $10m if he doesn't prove more that what we have seen so far. Maybe Parker or Wiggins will take his place next year. It's possible even Rush might be an answer if he steps up. Kanter may not command a large contract unless he shows significant progress in the next couple of years. I think Burks will be a target for the Jazz and has a bright future. Burke still has time to develop as the point guard before a decision has to be made with him. This year the Jazz have a chance to play these young guys big minutes to find out who will stay around. If we kept all of last years veterans we wouldn't have had this chance to see which of our young lottery picks can become great players, or fall by the wayside as many lottery picks do. Now we have a chance to build around the players that can make this a great team in years to come.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Dec. 12, 2013 5:26 p.m.


    slow down there...son...dont put Jimmer in the same air with Larry Bird and Chris Mullin...those two are much deadly shooters than Jimmer...im not knocking Jimmer down or anything...but...dont even compare them...i agree that Jimmer needs a new team to finally show what he is capable of...or not....cant make opinions if i havent seen him play enough in the NBA...so i am all for it....but the reason no one is ecstatic enough to get him....is something....

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 5:12 p.m.

    Americanvet: I'm fine with your support of the Jazz direction. But your comment that winning is good for morale and confidence supports my position that losing hurts. The glory years of the Jazz' past had a completely different group of people leading the franchise. As people change, so does the organization. I've never complained about the Jazz history, only their future. Every losing team started with a first losing season.

    Let's view this differently by looking at the 2014 Jazz.

    Players under contract (~$27M)
    PGs: Burke, Lucas
    Wings: Burks
    Bigs: Favors, Kanter, Evans, Gobert

    Three draft picks that could stick: #1-5, #20-25 (from GS), #31-35 (~$7M)

    Resign Hayward (RFA) at 7 figures (~$10M)

    Jazz fans expect to get a star FA which will take another 7 figures (~$10M-plus)

    That makes 12 players at ~$55M or more. That doesn't leave much to add 2-3 players.

    But here are the real questions:
    - Does that roster say championship to you?
    - How do you pay Kanter and Burks in 2015?
    - Do you pay the cap penalty or start of-loading assets like OKC has done?

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 2:43 p.m.

    I'm not sure what statements I made that seem "ironic" or inconsistent. I don't know if I have "lambasted" anyone but I don't agree with your statements about the Jazz "creating a losing culture". To me, a losing culture would be where the Jazz have been bad for years. I have reminded you before that the Jazz have been one of the most successful franchises in sports. In the last 30 years they have had only 2 losing seasons (2004-05, 2010-11). They made the playoffs 20 years in a row from 1983 to 2003 and since then made the playoffs 5 more times. This year management strategically made the decision to shed the veterans and rebuild around our young core players. Everyone knows we are taking a step back this year but if you're going to do that this seems like a good year for it. So even if we end up with the worst record in the league, which may be part of the long term plan, I still won't agree with the "losing culture" theory. That said, I firmly believe winning some games gives a boost to players confidence like I stated. How is that ironic?

  • King Black Paso Robles, CA
    Dec. 12, 2013 2:34 p.m.


    What do you mean Ty dont you control the team... Somehow people think that Ty has not been trying to get them to do that all year long, my goodness when are people going to start holding these high paid players accountable. Yes he controls the team but he cant control their mind and how they play in the game. I mean he cant control the team shooting horrible, he cant control the horrible FT percentage, he cant control the stupid turnovers he can coach them not to but after that its the players job to execute.

  • Dustin Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 12, 2013 12:20 p.m.

    Are Jazz fans the only ones in the NBA who can come up with reasons to be sad that their team won? I understand us wishing for a loss to have a better lottery pick, but other than that, how can we be so negative about our team winning?

  • Man in Charge Chihuahua, 00
    Dec. 12, 2013 11:50 a.m.

    A good win that still leaves the Jazz in first place for the Jabari Parker sweepstakes.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    Dec. 12, 2013 11:49 a.m.

    Denver to Portland

    "Congrats Jazz, you beat the 2nd worst team in the West, but you're still the worst in the West and in the entire NBA"

    Who's getting Jabari Parker in the Draft this year. Winning the draft lottery will be better than going to the finals and losing.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    I love the spark of life the Jazz have shown the last few games. Trey Burke deserves a lot of credit since we are vastly improved at the PG with him in the lineup. But the guy who has really made the big difference is not being discussed at all and most Jazz fans want him gone at the end of the year.

    Marvin Williams has started six games this season, all in the last ten games. The Jazz are 4-2 in those games. In the four games he missed during that 10-game stretch, the Jazz were 0-4, even with Trey Burke. All season long, the Jazz have only won one game without MW in the starting lineup. In my mind, the real difference maker in the Jazz recent resurgence is Williams.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 11:09 a.m.

    Americanvet: "I still think winning a game helps keep spirits up and gives a little boost of confidence."

    During the summer and well into the season, I talked about the Jazz making a mistake by creating a losing culture. Weren't you among those who lambasted me for that position? Seems ironic in light of your comment above.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    Dec. 12, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    One more rung on the ladder of respectability. Slow and steady please. Brandon Rush from Kansas played well. McLemore is also from Kansas and was from a small school in St. Louis. I would hope that the Jazz could consider playing a game in St. Louis. The Hawks have been long gone and I believe that a game would draw. St. Louis University is starting to draw after being rebuilt by Rick Majerus from Utah before he died.

  • Iowa Jazz Fan 2 Cedar Rapids, IA
    Dec. 12, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    @nvfan: Jimmer is not Chris Mullin or Larry Bird. But he might be Steve Kerr. Who, by the way, did find a niche on a championship team. Let's hope Jimmer can as well.

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    The positives, it was a win, and it was a win on the road. The negatives, it was the Kings and yes, they were a little short handed. I still think winning a game helps keep spirits up and gives a little boost of confidence. I don't see this as a major step to winning a bunch of games and I don't want to win a bunch of games. Just keep playing hard and developing as a team and then add some more with next years draft and free agent signings. better things are coming for the Jazz!

  • Denver to Portland Portland, OR
    Dec. 12, 2013 9:40 a.m.

    Take it easy everyone. The Jazz beat the Kings and everyone is acting like they beat Portland, Miami, or Indiana.

    It shows how far the Jazz gave fallen when there are words like "shock", "great win", "impressive", in a win vs the Kings. Congrats Jazz, you beat the 2nd worst team in the West, but you're still the worst in the West and in the entire NBA.

  • Long Lost America Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 9:40 a.m.

    Only on a Deseret News comment board would readers be referring to missing players the caliber of Quincy Acy and Aaron Gray as "short 3 studs." I also hear Scott Pollard was still available to be signed by the Kings last night so they could win the game. Put an asterik on this win Jazz fans.

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    This team has a destiny and where did last nights big win come from? Was it the coaching, I doubt it. Maybe the guys have it figured out as a team. At any rate, go for it now Jazz. You have it in you to set a high mark for yourselves this season. I have been waiting to see this happen. Give us a Christmas Present with some more wins like this one.

  • MurrayMike Murray, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    @Chris B

    13 points for Jimmer in 11 minutes, yeah coach sit me next 4 games please. Still say Jimmer will be traded before the deadline, and average 12 pts and 5 assists for a team later this year. And how's that coach bowl chris? Oh and after Saturday 12 of 13 from the utes.....bank on it.

  • nvfan Cedar City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    One more thing, Jimmer played only 5 minutes, was (2-3 FG) with 6 points until late in the game he was given an additional 6 minutes. The game was lost for the Kings way before he was given the additional playing time. Instead they played the same guys they usually do. You remember, the guys that have given them a record similar to the Jazz's. Great coaching...

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Dec. 12, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    If only Jimmer had played the Kings would have.....oh never mind.

    Congrats on beating the 5-win Kings' backups, Jazz. Next stop: NBA finals.

  • nvfan Cedar City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    I don't understand it, Jimmer plays 11 minutes (is 4-6 FG) and scores 13 points. McLemore on the other hand goes (1-8 FG), scores 4 points and plays 33 minutes. In addition, Jimmer ends up 3rd in scoring for the Kings against the Jazz while playing only a third of the time the other guards played. This is from a guy that gets little playing time and a ton of DP- coaches decisions. Why the Jazz or another weak team can't give the guy a chance is beyond me. We are in last place and the Kings are just about giving him away. I see a ton of upside with very little risk. If it doesn't work out you don't sign him for next season. I would just like to see some team give the guy a chance to either sink or swim. Until that happens we will never know how good the guy can be. What if Chris Mullin or even Larry Bird got the same type of treatment at the beginning of their career? Two slow white guys with little athleticism but a ton of smarts and a great shot. Sounds familiar...

  • Jesse Tooele, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    Minus 3 studs really!?! Aaron Gray and Quincy Acy... Household names right? Rudy Gay maybe, but Toronto is the team getting the praise for dumping him and his contract. The Jazz simply caught fire and played a great, balanced game. It shows what they're potential could be, but they're still going to finish in the bottom 5. How about Alec Burks though, I love the way he's playing.

  • Grandmajazz LAVA HOT SPRINGS, ID
    Dec. 12, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    Gehelmke.....Control a team? You have to be kidding. You may control cattle or sheep but you take a group of 12 or so young men with different mind sets, talents, and ideas and you guide and teach them but you don't control them. These young men have been taught and have finally come together to use their talent and desire to win together. Many of us have thought this team would come together either this year or next and do great things. Thank heavens it may just be this year!! I also do not believe the Kings having 3 less players made that much difference. I believe in the Jazz!!

  • RSLfanalways West Valley, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 8:18 a.m.

    Jimmer brought good luck to the Jazz when he play's. We found what Jimmer is good at. He helps the Jazz when when he plays more on the other team.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 8:11 a.m.

    The Jazz did very well last night but face an extremely hard road swing, so don't expect this type of performance to continue. They will get better, but need more fire-power from good athletes in the draft. As far as the comments about Jimmer, those who think he can compete as a starter in the NBA are delusional at best. What I saw was a guy who could shoot an open jump shot with no defensive skills and no speed. He is strictly a role player in the NBA and it is obvious why the Kings did not exercise his fourth year option. The best that can happen for Jimmer is for some team that he can come off the bench for a few quick three's. Otherwise, he has little value.

  • Little Andy Tremonton, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 7:48 a.m.

    Jazz scored 122..And the fellow who said "Its the Jazz" I don't think you really have braggin rights with you one more win. Watch the trades fly next week. Still think Jimmer would have a place on the Jazz IMHO..

  • gehelmke Bastrop, TX
    Dec. 12, 2013 7:41 a.m.

    "scrappy do" has it right....They were short 3 studs....Factor in the Jazz shooting about a block over their heads, and you have it figured correctly, and Corbin's quote is:
    “We’re sharing the ball,” an ecstatic Corbin said. “We’re counting on each other and making the right basketball play, making the next pass, driving to the basket, being able to break the defense down and kicking it to the weak side. We shot it well tonight, so that’s what we’re going to need.”
    What an onslaught of cliches! Tell us, Ty, if that's why they won, why isn't this done every game? Don't you control the team?

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 6:39 a.m.

    the Kings, less 3 studs make the Jazz look like superstars... wow, I think we are on our way to the top now, boys

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Dec. 12, 2013 3:53 a.m.

    I'm glad to see that Jimmer got some playing time, even if it was in a lop-sided loss.

    Here's hoping Fredette ends up on a team that can actually figure out how to best use him. Nobody deserves to be stuck in the "purgatory" known as the Sacramento Kings.

    And yes, believe it or not, I'm a Ute fan. We don't all hate Jimmer, but I am glad he's no longer around to thump my Utes.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Dec. 12, 2013 3:47 a.m.

    Who were those guys and what did they do with the previous Jazz team? :o)

    Amazing game by the Jazz, I couldn't believe it was the same team we've seen over the past couple of months. I thought I was watching a re-run of the shellacking the Trailblazers gave the Jazz in Portland last Friday. Only it was Jazz doing the thumping this time.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    Dec. 12, 2013 1:22 a.m.

    @Chris B

    times have changed...Jimmer no longer has the value of a first round pick...but he still has a bit of a value...i guess...

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 11:33 p.m.

    Everyone contributed and the outside shooting was red hot. It was good to see Rush get some shots and nail three 3-pointers. I hope he gets more minutes so we can see what we have there. We still need Parker,Wiggins, or Randle next year so don't go crazy on us and win 40 games or something Jazz.

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:58 p.m.

    The Jazz scored 112? Wow.
    And somehow Jimmer got into a game. And scored 13. Not bad for a dude that usually gets fewer minutes than the towel boy. But still, Free Jimmer!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:52 p.m.

    What I can't understand about the Jimmer situation is where are all the teams offering first round picks for him? He was a first round guy so the kings should be able to get a first round pick as a trade right?