I have to say that most of the posts for this article are some of the dumbest
that I have ever read. New low all.
Snack PAC and U of U 1991, thanks for providing dates regarding the war. Pearl
Harbor's attack was a discussion in our home and I know it was Dec 7, 1941
but I did not know when in 1944 the tournament was played. (Did they play in
1942, or 1943?) When I said 5 years I was referencing my father's time in
the army due to the war. I suppose he was discharged in 1946. I am
certain young men would have rather been playing basketball than defending our
freedom across the ocean. Thankfully not all of them had top pay the ultimate
price but were able to return home and start a family, like my father.I honor those who served but even more those families who paid the ultimate
price for us. We owe them a great debt of gratitude.
toosmartPearl Harbor was attacked on December 7, 1941.The Japanese surrendered on August 14, 1945.The 1944 NCAA
tournament ended on March 24, 1944, 28 months after the U.S. entered the war,
and 17 months before the war ended; in other words, in the middle of the war,
which obviously means DURING the war, NOT the exact center point of the war.The point being, in 1944, most able-bodied young men 18 and older were
fully engaged in the war, and few were even thinking about basketball, let alone
playing it.It's goes without saying that the 1944 NCAA
tournament had the weakest field in the history of the tournament.
UofU1991, as I recall the war ended in 1945. If the tournament was in the fall
of 1944, since the war lasted 5 years for persons serving in the military, like
my dad, that is comparatively close to the end of the war. I agree it
wasn't much of a tournament, but at least it was held and Utah won. Maybe
folks think the BYU 1984 Championship team didn't play much of a game
against Michigan, but they did something no one else did that year and that was
to be undefeated at the end, including a bowl game. Their defense was stellar
because the offense gave up 5 turnovers, yet the Cougars prevailed. Their
biggest detractors weren't sports casters like Bryant Gumbel, but U of U
students and alumni. And yes, BYU did win, point being made.
toosmartforyouUtah's 1944 NCAA tournament championship
wasn't at the end of WWII, it was right in the middle of WWII. The majority
of schools had suspended their basketball programs, and the few remaining teams
still playing were composed entirely of freshmen and a few sophomores because
all of the upperclassmen were either busy fighting or getting ready to fight a
world war.The 1944 NCAA tournament was, without question, the most
watered-down NCAA tournament in history, and in 1944, was the 2nd rate
tournament of the day.
Don't forget, 4 in a row, that BYU has two NIT Crowns. And if you're
going to talk about the 1944 NCAA Tournament Champion, include that it was only
8 teams, right at the end of WWII. So I want you and other Ute partisans to
never again deride the 1984 National Championship in football that BYU owns,
since you think history 40 years older than that is relevant.Too bad
Rick M. never could figure out how to beat Kentucky. Back then I would have
cheered for the U; not so much now, thanks to their fan base.
Lets review how sports work, in advance of the Utah byu game Saturday.The team with more points is the winner. The team with less points is the
loser. The winning team is better than the losing team. Lets all remember that
come Saturday when Utah wins and proves to be the better team.
Historical data only shows what the team did and not what they are doing. In
sports, historical data means nothing.
In 1951 and 1966 the NIT was the tournament for second place teams from the
varous conferences. The NCAA was much smaller than today but included the
conference champions from around the country. Remember, there are a lot of us
that were around "back then" and know what happened.
@TruthfullyYou just betrayed your ignorance, prestigious or not,
since the 30's the NCAA Champion has been and currently is the winner of
the NCAA tournament. BTW, Utah has two NIT championships with two
@Chris BI usually avoid your comments but this time you made me laugh,
kudos. You nailed their fan belief structure right on the head.
The Utes will not be able to stay with BYU. It will likely be many years before
they win against BYU home or away. The Utes were AFRAID to schedule USU and
Weber this year because they did not want to be proven the worst team in the
state. They were looking at doing away with the BYU game after the current
contract runs out after next season but public outcry put a stop to that with
Chris Hill making a statement just yesterday. He did not want the blame for
ending both the Football and Basketball games between the two schools.Chris,Love the comedy. Keep it coming.4 in a rowI see
you did not mention the two NIT championships BYU won in 1951 and 1966. The NIT
was THE tournament back then. Much bigger than the NCAA. In 1944 the NCAA was
the equivalent of todays CBI. Utah's 1947 NIT championship was much more
prestigious.Since you are going back that far, how many Football
championships has the U won? BYU-1984 Unanimous National Champions. See
the trophy's in Provo.
It's nice to see such fans on here as CHRIS B who really cheer for their
team. Even if they may not have much of a chance, you can't let fans GET to
you. Enjoy the ride and hope your team brings their A game. Besides, when
it's all over, football and basketball scores should not effect your LIFE.
Utah will win Saturday, no question there.The only thing uncertain
in which excuse will be used by byu fans1) The Pac 12 refs2)
The weather inside the Hunstman Center that somehow affects byu and not Utah3) byu gave the game awayI'm going with Pac 12 refsUtah 77byu 69Congrats to the Utes, the best team in Utah
For those needing a little help with being ‘battle tested’ and
preparing your team for ‘going deep into the the post season NCAA
tournament’ - you know, the one that matters. Here are some facts, not to
get confused with the hypothetical paper studies, statistics, rating services or
reality.NCAA Tournament History for both teams:U of UFinal Fours 4Tournament record 35-30Championship Seasons 1944Tournament Appearances 27BYUFinal Fours 0Tournament
record 15-30Championship Seasons NoneTournament Appearances 27A lot of ‘one and done’ in the tourney for the cougars. They
have made the dance a few times though. That’s where the rankings become
important, I guess. I’m sure there is a meaningless statistic out there
that claims you make the tourney if you are highly ranked.Two other
teams in the west have a better resume that the Utes. I believe they are UCLA
and Arizona.I just hope the Utes don’t get blown off their own
floor. After all, the cougars are highly ranked according to the ‘DN power
BYU is clearly the favorite leading into Saturday's game. The rankings,
ratings and PR are completly behind them.BYU is the best, Utah
doesn't stand a chance.Those poor Utes.Will we know who the
best team is after the game? Why do they still play each other?