Power rankings: Pac-12, WCC, MWC men's basketball, Version 3

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  • Vegasbob North Las Vegas, NV
    Dec. 12, 2013 8:51 p.m.

    I have to say that most of the posts for this article are some of the dumbest that I have ever read. New low all.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 7:45 p.m.

    Snack PAC and U of U 1991, thanks for providing dates regarding the war. Pearl Harbor's attack was a discussion in our home and I know it was Dec 7, 1941 but I did not know when in 1944 the tournament was played. (Did they play in 1942, or 1943?) When I said 5 years I was referencing my father's time in the army due to the war. I suppose he was discharged in 1946.

    I am certain young men would have rather been playing basketball than defending our freedom across the ocean. Thankfully not all of them had top pay the ultimate price but were able to return home and start a family, like my father.

    I honor those who served but even more those families who paid the ultimate price for us. We owe them a great debt of gratitude.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 12, 2013 6:50 p.m.


    Pearl Harbor was attacked on December 7, 1941.

    The Japanese surrendered on August 14, 1945.

    The 1944 NCAA tournament ended on March 24, 1944, 28 months after the U.S. entered the war, and 17 months before the war ended; in other words, in the middle of the war, which obviously means DURING the war, NOT the exact center point of the war.

    The point being, in 1944, most able-bodied young men 18 and older were fully engaged in the war, and few were even thinking about basketball, let alone playing it.

    It's goes without saying that the 1944 NCAA tournament had the weakest field in the history of the tournament.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 5:44 p.m.

    UofU1991, as I recall the war ended in 1945. If the tournament was in the fall of 1944, since the war lasted 5 years for persons serving in the military, like my dad, that is comparatively close to the end of the war. I agree it wasn't much of a tournament, but at least it was held and Utah won. Maybe folks think the BYU 1984 Championship team didn't play much of a game against Michigan, but they did something no one else did that year and that was to be undefeated at the end, including a bowl game. Their defense was stellar because the offense gave up 5 turnovers, yet the Cougars prevailed. Their biggest detractors weren't sports casters like Bryant Gumbel, but U of U students and alumni. And yes, BYU did win, point being made.

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 3:29 p.m.


    Utah's 1944 NCAA tournament championship wasn't at the end of WWII, it was right in the middle of WWII. The majority of schools had suspended their basketball programs, and the few remaining teams still playing were composed entirely of freshmen and a few sophomores because all of the upperclassmen were either busy fighting or getting ready to fight a world war.

    The 1944 NCAA tournament was, without question, the most watered-down NCAA tournament in history, and in 1944, was the 2nd rate tournament of the day.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    Don't forget, 4 in a row, that BYU has two NIT Crowns. And if you're going to talk about the 1944 NCAA Tournament Champion, include that it was only 8 teams, right at the end of WWII. So I want you and other Ute partisans to never again deride the 1984 National Championship in football that BYU owns, since you think history 40 years older than that is relevant.

    Too bad Rick M. never could figure out how to beat Kentucky. Back then I would have cheered for the U; not so much now, thanks to their fan base.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    Lets review how sports work, in advance of the Utah byu game Saturday.

    The team with more points is the winner. The team with less points is the loser. The winning team is better than the losing team. Lets all remember that come Saturday when Utah wins and proves to be the better team.

  • RSLfanalways West Valley, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    Historical data only shows what the team did and not what they are doing. In sports, historical data means nothing.

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 9:48 a.m.

    In 1951 and 1966 the NIT was the tournament for second place teams from the varous conferences. The NCAA was much smaller than today but included the conference champions from around the country. Remember, there are a lot of us that were around "back then" and know what happened.

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 9:36 a.m.


    You just betrayed your ignorance, prestigious or not, since the 30's the NCAA Champion has been and currently is the winner of the NCAA tournament.

    BTW, Utah has two NIT championships with two NIT MVPs.

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    @Chris B
    I usually avoid your comments but this time you made me laugh, kudos. You nailed their fan belief structure right on the head.

  • Truthfully Eagle Mountain, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    The Utes will not be able to stay with BYU. It will likely be many years before they win against BYU home or away. The Utes were AFRAID to schedule USU and Weber this year because they did not want to be proven the worst team in the state. They were looking at doing away with the BYU game after the current contract runs out after next season but public outcry put a stop to that with Chris Hill making a statement just yesterday. He did not want the blame for ending both the Football and Basketball games between the two schools.

    Love the comedy. Keep it coming.

    4 in a row
    I see you did not mention the two NIT championships BYU won in 1951 and 1966. The NIT was THE tournament back then. Much bigger than the NCAA. In 1944 the NCAA was the equivalent of todays CBI. Utah's 1947 NIT championship was much more prestigious.

    Since you are going back that far, how many Football championships has the U won?
    BYU-1984 Unanimous National Champions. See the trophy's in Provo.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Dec. 12, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    It's nice to see such fans on here as CHRIS B who really cheer for their team. Even if they may not have much of a chance, you can't let fans GET to you. Enjoy the ride and hope your team brings their A game. Besides, when it's all over, football and basketball scores should not effect your LIFE.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 8:18 a.m.

    Utah will win Saturday, no question there.

    The only thing uncertain in which excuse will be used by byu fans

    1) The Pac 12 refs
    2) The weather inside the Hunstman Center that somehow affects byu and not Utah
    3) byu gave the game away

    I'm going with Pac 12 refs

    Utah 77
    byu 69

    Congrats to the Utes, the best team in Utah

  • 4 in a row! Ogden, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 6:41 a.m.

    For those needing a little help with being ‘battle tested’ and preparing your team for ‘going deep into the the post season NCAA tournament’ - you know, the one that matters. Here are some facts, not to get confused with the hypothetical paper studies, statistics, rating services or reality.

    NCAA Tournament History for both teams:

    U of U
    Final Fours 4
    Tournament record 35-30
    Championship Seasons 1944
    Tournament Appearances 27

    Final Fours 0
    Tournament record 15-30
    Championship Seasons None
    Tournament Appearances 27

    A lot of ‘one and done’ in the tourney for the cougars. They have made the dance a few times though. That’s where the rankings become important, I guess. I’m sure there is a meaningless statistic out there that claims you make the tourney if you are highly ranked.

    Two other teams in the west have a better resume that the Utes. I believe they are UCLA and Arizona.

    I just hope the Utes don’t get blown off their own floor. After all, the cougars are highly ranked according to the ‘DN power rankings’

  • 4 in a row! Ogden, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 6:22 a.m.

    BYU is clearly the favorite leading into Saturday's game. The rankings, ratings and PR are completly behind them.

    BYU is the best, Utah doesn't stand a chance.Those poor Utes.

    Will we know who the best team is after the game? Why do they still play each other?