High school football: 3AA all-state teams

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    Dec. 16, 2013 5:06 p.m.

    Ask the Football PRO

    I agree with you, it's always dangerous to point fingers at folks pencil whipping the stats. Bear River fan your stats guys inflated a bit too. Looking at my son's stats there are some assists counted and are questionable and some solos that didn't get counted. And, an LB tackle 6-10yds off the ball is a lot different than stuffing a play at the line or TFL or holding the edge, stats are only stats. That's why I like the coaches vote - it's the kids they remember making a difference in the games.

  • Ask the Football PRO SAINT GEORGE, UT
    Dec. 16, 2013 8:28 a.m.

    Let's clear the air, I'm a dad from Desert Hills, I've been to the game where the kid who has 143 tackles is the reason why we lost our first game of the year! We were 5-0 going in to Pine View, this player Jaden Ah Quin had 3 Interceptions against our team and lead Pine View defensively to the victory over us. I also remember this same player making a HUGE STOP against Juan Diego in OT to give his team the ball back. I looked at his MAXPREPS and it showed 79 Solo tackles 64 Assisted 3 Force Fumbles 1 Fumble Recovery 5 Interceptions. He's a 3 year starter I remember his Sophmore year he picked our QB Mike Needham for a 75 yard return to set Wilstead up for a easy pass TD.

    As for #3 Kody Wilstead, hands down the BEST throwing QB in the State. I've seen him play since 5th grade and is a great player and

    Snow Canyon was 3-0 Pine View won 56-28

    Desert Hills 5-0 Pine View won 16-10

    Juan Diego 11-0 Pine View won 48-42 and maybe one of the BEST High School

    Dec. 14, 2013 2:58 p.m.


    You have to remember some of these kids didn't play most of the 3rd and 4th quarters in their games a lot of their games. The stats themselves are not the do all end all, especially defensive stats. The coaches vote on the kids - they actually saw them play, watched film, etc...

  • fender Washington, UT
    Dec. 13, 2013 10:28 a.m.


    If you go to the stats compiled week by week by the DN the actual numbers submitted by the PV folks are different from the totals printed in the article. The two LBs you refer to reported 111 and 101 tackles, not 139 and 124. The DB you complain about had 78 tackles, not 143 as printed above. I suspect the actual facts won't change your view, but somebody needs to call you on it.

  • H-TownTiger Hurricane, 00
    Dec. 13, 2013 3:16 a.m.


    it appears rival thinks wilstead didn't produce when it matter most, simply because the pine view defense couldn't make one final stop, which up to that point pine view was actually winning.

    I guess somewhere in the last 5-6 seconds of play, wilstead loses credibility over something he didn't have control over. He wasn't getting back on the field regardless of whether desert hills scored or not.

    Wilstead is a beast of an athlete and especially as a quarterback, I would honestly be surprised if i didn't see him break a few records next year.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 5:55 p.m.


    Just checking the stats kept through the season by DN (and submitted by coaching staff of the schools) and what they show is that the all state PV LB you refer to had 111 tackles (9/game) and the all state DB you refer to had 78 tackles (6.5/game). It appears to me that the article got it wrong.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 5:21 p.m.

    Rival Scout

    Thanks for straightening all that out. So according to you beating JD, the team ranked #1 all season long and arguably the best team in 3AA even with the loss, was of no value to Wilstead's team. And, getting his team to the finals (with the second best individual season all time) was of no value to his team and shouldn't have been taken into account by DN. As an aside, in the earlier game between the two schools, Wilstead ran for the winning score (and according to DN it was DH's QB who threw 3 picks in that game). You seem to have an axe to grind, so obviously nothing I say or even the decision of an impartial publication like the DN is going to change your mind.

  • Lemming Logan, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 4:49 p.m.

    @ Utah Cubs, from Tremonton

    Sounds like your player had a good year. I think the voters were not sure how to take the stats.

    See comments about PV, the coaches are very sensitive when things appear out of whack.

    He only had 38 solo tackles which ranked him #22 in 3AA. With 115 assisted tackles, and the next highest in the state only having 66, it made everyone question the record keeping. He is probably lucky to receive honarable mention. I noticed the Wise kid made first team from BR, so it's not like the voters were snubbing your school.

    If he is only a junior, then maybe going forward you can have your stats guy get on the same page as the rest of the state. I know there are definitions listed that may help.

    Best of Luck to the Bear River boys.

  • Rival Scout Draper, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 3:57 p.m.

    @ fender

    The point is that nobody threw four interceptions in one game against D-Hills except one person, so the point isn't that the defense could be that bad, maybe it's that someone else was. It's not the "game of the year" in the semi's that matters to anyone. It's playing your second to worst game of the year in the finals that people will remember, and your worst game of the year against D-Hills earlier in the year.

    PV did beat D-Hills earlier in the year with a pick 6 by six points, there were also 3 more interceptions in that game, and no passing TD's. In the finals there was only 1 TD thrown. So to be the MVP in the State you have to have the most value when your team needs it. Remember D-Hills was also behind in both games at the RES.

    He had a great year, but did not bring the value when it mattered most.

  • Utahcubs Tremonton, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 3:05 p.m.

    I was waiting to see this list with one local kid in mind. How does McKade Mitton of Bear River fall to honorable mention in 3AA at linebacker? He was a terror, averaging 14 tackles per game (no, not Pine View's statistician), 156 total tackles for the year. A couple of the first teamers on this list had 50 tackles? Really?
    It comes down to what school they go to (St. George or JD) and how far their team goes in the playoffs. Too bad, Mitton had a monster year and was only a junior. Watch out next year.

  • amanap Washington, ut
    Dec. 12, 2013 2:16 p.m.


    No one is discrediting the work they did, only the work they didn't do.

    Dec. 12, 2013 12:39 p.m.

    Agreed, Wilstead's play against JD was MVP worthy, all from 14pts down. As a JD parent it was tough to watch a 1:40 drive engineered by Wilstead throwing into triple coverage on the end of regulation touchdown against an all-state LB and Safety. Great QB and congrats DH. Tough loss on a JD senior parent, but Wilstead was the best QB we saw all year.

  • fender Washington, UT
    Dec. 12, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    @H-Town Tiger

    Very classy comment. My respect.


    H-Town Tiger has said it well. I would just add that Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Brett Favre have all thrown 6 picks in a game, but that probably won't prevent them from HOF consideration. Unless you're saying DH defense is so bad that nobody could possibly throw 4 and be any good. You might bear in mind that Wilstead played the game of the year the week before against JD. He also beat DH earlier in the year. DH earned the trophy and gets credit for what they did in the last game, despite losing 2 games during the season. Why not just give Wilstead his due and move on?

  • H-TownTiger Hurricane, 00
    Dec. 12, 2013 11:02 a.m.


    dhills turned the ball over a lot of times as well, don't take the mvp away from the person who deserves it, just because dhills scored on the last second. Wilstead is arguably one of the best (if not the best) Quarterbacks southern utah has seen in a very very long time. and while still throwing 4 interceptions, he still through over 300 yards and came within a few pass plays of setting the state record.

  • Polyzsmile4me St. George, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 2:54 p.m.

    Congratulations to all those athletes who made it on this list. I am especially proud of Liahona (LJ) Tiatia who played both OL/DL for Pineview. Although I can't validate his stats for those that are overly concerned about that but I do know that he also had at least 1 interception against Snow Canyon, we were at that game until after 11 pm waiting to see if the lightning would stop so they could continue to play. We won that night and LJ & his interception I am pretty sure, was even mentioned in paper...It takes a lot of hard work and dedication for these athletes to keep putting in the hours of training early in the morning or long after the sun goes down for one person to try to discredit their hard work...Kudos and never let anyone tell you otherwise!!! Now do work!!!

  • just sayin' Woods Cross, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 11:11 a.m.

    except for the one that cannot be inflated, STATE CHAMPIONS!

  • CoachBarton Blanding, San Juan, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 11:07 a.m.

    Congrats Jaren and Brock...and to all the young men who made this past season a great one.