Looking beyond the premium is a 2-tiered health system?

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  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    Dec. 12, 2013 4:56 p.m.

    Keep in mind folks -- most of the bad things we are finding in this law was predicted before it was passed but no one would believe so now we will face the consequences.

  • KVC Sahuarita, az
    Dec. 11, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    Meckofahess - so why are doctors "bad people" for not being willing to accept lower paying plans? Are plumbers who are not willing to accept whatever you offer bad people as well? The truth is that physician pay is not really increasing as is claimed. Family physicians like myself, are making less per patient now than we made in the past. The same is true in most specialties. Medicare is continually cutting reimbursement rates for many of the things we do, and increasing the paperwork necessary to get reimbursed for those tests.
    If you think doctors who won't accept these reimbursements are greedy, you should be happy with your limited choices of providers who are not "greedy". Why would you want to see a doctor who is not willing to accept the lower pay?

    If it is reasonable in the liberal mind for a 16 year old who barely has the skill to flip a burger to get $15/hr, how are highly trained physicians overpaid? It is a free market and physicians are free to charge what they like and accept whatever insurance they choose. We already lose money with Medicaid patients, hence decreased access for those people is worsening.

  • RN4moms Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    And those who voted for Obama based on this lie are finally seeing there's no such thing as a free lunch.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 12:21 p.m.

    It's all the fault of those greedy insurance companies! They want to make money--so greedy! And those doctors, and hospitals--so greedy too! How dare they charge so much?

    Why, the only people not greedy in this scenario is the people who aren't getting it for free! That's what we need to do: force doctors and nurses and insurance companies to stop being greedy so liberals don't have to pay for healthcare, because liberals are, by definition, not greedy! And all those greedy Republicans who aren't paying their fair share so liberals can avoid paying anything for their healthcare! How greedy and selfish of those Republicans to complain about being forced to pay for lazy shiftless bums healthcare! I mean, how could you not see how it's greedy to not give everything to liberals on a silver platter for free? Shameless Republicans! And probably racist somehow too.

    Greed Greed Greed! If you don't give me whatever I want, you are the greedy ones for holding on to your hard earned cash!

  • Docwife Chesterfield, VA
    Dec. 11, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    Part II

    Finally, just so you know that little piece of paper that you get when you go to the doctor that says that particular doctor charged so much and your insurance paid them so much less is all a stupid game. After all of complaining you do about how doctors should do their work for free, why don't you give up your entire paycheck for everyone else and see how it feels for awhile or better yet wait until there aren't any doctors because no one in their right mind would go to that much work to do it for free and watch everyone else get their free entitlements. Coming from the wife of a physician that does not own the big house and even if I did. Clearly you feel that you "deserve" stuff. No one deserves free stuff. You work for it. Entitlement will be the downfall of this nation.

  • edb Chesterfield, VA
    Dec. 11, 2013 12:15 p.m.


    Clearly, you have no idea what goes into a doctors life. Lets start with the 14 years of post high school education that costs in the hundreds of thousands of dollars to finish. Next, lets take into account all of the sleepless hours and hours away from their families to learn and practice becoming a doctor. Third, lets take into account once they are done they have to pay back the large house size loans. At least 50% of their paychecks are taken before they ever see anything to pay for your free healthcare, free food, free phones, free name it. Then they go to work and take care of many, many patients for absolutely free because that's what good people do.

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    Dec. 11, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    RBB is right that all that was really needed was insurance coverage for 15% of the people if the whole purpose was to make sure that they had insurance. But adding more people to the insurance rolls was a poor option if the intent was to reduce health care costs.

  • ThornBirds St.George, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    Years ago, when no one expected any other type of insurance network...
    People were always unhappy and grumbling about their health insurance, wishing it had "this" or wishing it had "that". There were unable to obtain health insurance then that was "really what they wanted".

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    "U.S. Senator Richard Blumenthal — piled on the insurance company, calling it arrogant, greedy and unconscionable," - SENATOR BLUMENTHAL WAS RIGHT!. He was right not only about the insurance company, but the same can be said for many of the DOCTORS and DENTISTS who are bleeding the economic life out of citizens. Sadly, many of these practitioners don't want to accept patients from lower paying sources - they want to maintain their huge incomes despite the fact that America can no longer affort the out of control costs of a broken and ineffective healthcare system that is far inferior to healthcare systems in other industrialized nations whose systems cost far less! It's time for consumers to wake up and shop for value driven healthcare organizations and providers. The incomes of working people have not kept up with the out of line annual increases the healthcare providers have been receiving for many years. Wake up people!

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    Dec. 11, 2013 9:34 a.m.

    Stunning that people are now only figuring this out. Just goes to show how shallow most of the electorate really are!! Well I guess things can still continue as they have for the past dozens of years, those who cant afford the deductible, will leave their balance for everyone else to pay, or go bankrupt. Wait a minute...didn't the anointed one and his worshippers and followers fix all this with their 3000 pages of obamacare legislation?

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 8:26 a.m.

    I've had to change doctors several times - due to private insurance plan changes. It must be that darn ObamaCare.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Dec. 11, 2013 7:42 a.m.

    As if this isn't how insurance has always worked. The Connecticut Democrats are right.

    I had a heart attack 13 years ago. At the time the hospital I was taken to accepted my insurance and I basically didn't pay anything for a week of care. Since then solely because of changes to our existing employer sponsored plan (an employer with 270,000 employees) I have had to change cardiologists numerous times, hospitals twice, and my personal deductible is $5,000. All of this long before Obama was elected.

    I've had the exact same experience with Dermatologists, so all that's happening is the folks who have limited their choices and services previously are having to play in the real world of American health care.

    Yes, "you can keep your doctor" was a really dumb thing to say because it wasn't true long before Obamacare came along.

  • Grandma 20 Allen, TX
    Dec. 11, 2013 7:20 a.m.

    The devil is in the details.

  • AzTim Gilbert, AZ
    Dec. 11, 2013 6:59 a.m.

    Day by day, hour by hour, ObamaCare keeps getting uglier and uglier. Pelosi was right -, we would learn more about the health bill after it passed, but she was also WRONG - we do not like it.

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 6:59 a.m.

    Why is this a surprise? It is how the government normally operates. Obama care defenders have claimed that getting dropped by your carrier is good because you had junk insurance. Now you have higher cost and fewer options. We had a situation where 85 percent of people were at least reasonably happy with their insurance. Insrtead of creating a limited program to help the rest get insurance, the Democrats rammed through a one-size fits all government takeover that has resulted in higher costs and fewer people actually insured. Vote Democrat because they will have a great new government program to fix the results of their last great new government program which was meant to fix the great new government program before that.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 6:37 a.m.

    Ah, the unintended consequences of big government.
    I'm paying the same amount I was before the change, except my family deductible of $3,000 is now $6,000 per person. And I pay 100% of my doctor's office visits. And the big, new hospital in town is not available to me.
    Hope and Change, indeed!
    But wait, there's more. In 2014 I could be forced to pay a tax on this plan due to my family income level.
    Expect more backlash as company plans get switched over.

  • BU52 Provo, ut
    Dec. 11, 2013 6:02 a.m.

    This horrible law, which no one read and was pushed into play needs to be repealed before it does any more damage to this country!!