Space and religion: How believers view latest space developments

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  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    Dec. 11, 2013 7:28 a.m.

    Church member

    History is very much subject to peoples opinion and agenda. We even see that today with things like the Kennedy assination. So there is much negative written about the LDS Church that may or may not be true. Look at all the falsehoods and negative things written about Christ himself, and his Church. Bottom line, it does not matter. Being a member of the LDS Church is not about my church is better than your church. No person who has ever been a Church member has lived a perfect life. Therefore we as members are taught to look at the known truths taught. Dwelling on a negative past, whether true or not, is not productive, or worthwhile to spend time studying. Whatever negatives that may exist in LDS history are obviously far outweighed by what we have seen in todays great Church and its positive influence in the world. I look for truth in what's good, not bad. I know the bad is not of Christ. I know the good is.

  • Church member North Salt Lake, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 10:28 a.m.

    More members need to use the scientific method on the history of the church.

    It is not good to look at only one side of an issue in life. People need to look at the good, the bad, and the ugly. It is too bad the leadership of the church has commanded members to not look at anything that shows the church in poor light.

    It would be better if the church openly taught all of the bad and weird teachings of the past in church so that members are not in shock when they reach adulthood and hear it for the first time.

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 8:01 a.m.

    RE: Twin Lights, But (religion)it has also been a significant factor in saving and promulgating scientific knowledge. The record is not just one way here.

    “Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the Moon? … So it is with regard to the inhabitants of the Sun. Do you not think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No Question of it; it was not made in vain.” – J of D 13:271

    "In my Patriarchal blessing, given by the father of Joseph the Prophet, in Kirtland, 1837, I was told that I should preach the gospel before I was 21 years of age; that I should preach the gospel to the inhabitants upon the islands of the sea, and to the inhabitants of the moon, even the planet you can now behold with your eyes." (The Young Woman's Journal, published by the Young Ladies' Mutual Improvement Associations of Zion, 1892, vol. 3, pp. 263

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Dec. 10, 2013 7:16 a.m.

    Science tells us How,
    Religion tells us Why.

    BTW --
    Big Bang, Spontaneous Life, and Evolution...doesn't shake my Testimony anymore than,
    Prayer, Faith, Brotherly Kindness, Family or Love shake my Education.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Dec. 9, 2013 8:15 p.m.


    It has not been my experience that science keeps folks humble or that religion is self-indulgent. Quite the opposite in most cases.

    Just because the answer may be that God did it, does not take away from the wonder or the pursuit of knowledge.

    Yes, religion has sometimes stifled science. But it has also been a significant factor in saving and promulgating scientific knowledge. The record is not just one way here.

    Some scientists have abandoned religion. But so have some very uneducated folks. Conversely, I find most faithful LDS to have a reasonable education.

    Honestly, the world is not so black and white.

  • desert Potsdam, 00
    Dec. 9, 2013 3:58 p.m.

    It's deep space for sure, deep thinking requires deep space too.

    For one we learn : "...the workmanship of mine hands; but not all, for my works are without end, and also my words, for they never cease"

    Well go out and get it, if you can. Since Columbus we should know about limits.
    Science never could jump across the strings of unlimited truth.
    Religion lacks evidence so they give them no rights for scientific truth.

    But what I hate is, that none of the Reaching-out-there Explorations do serve our suffering people on earth. Waste of money, sinfull expectations.
    We should focus on making things right at home first.

  • 1.96 Standard Deviations OREM, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 1:23 p.m.

    The DVD entitled "Special Witnesses of Christ" produced by the church pretty much starts out with Elder Maxwell testifying (or paraphrasing from Pearl of Great Price scripture) that "we are not alone in the universe." The church has been teaching about other worlds and others inhabitants (more of Heavenly Father's children) pretty much since the restoration of the gospel!

    The DVD is also available on YouTube, under the title "LDS Video: Special Witnesses of Christ." It is about 65 mins long, and Elder Maxwell's portion starts around the 5 minute mark. The "we are not alone in the Universe" part is around the 6 minute mark.

    Great video! I recommend seeing Elder Maxwell's portion as it relates perfectly to this article!

  • coltakashi Richland, WA
    Dec. 9, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    Mormon theology has since 1832 asserted that there are countless other worlds inhabited by the children of God, like ourselves, who are also saved by Christ. These "new" scientific discoveries confirm the accuracy of what Joseph Smith and Sydney Rigdon recounted as a visionary experience, in the presence of witnesses.

    Mormons are at least as likely as any other American to find a career in science, engineering, medicine and related fields that require scientific understanding. The father of Henry Eyring, Second Counselor in the First Presidency of the LDS Church, was a world-renowned scientist.

    Many scientists from the beginning of Western civilization have also been profoundly religious people, including Isaac Newton. The myth of a "war" between science and religion was created in the late 18th Century by atheists.

  • maclouie Falconer, NY
    Dec. 9, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    There is a difference between scientific, secular, and divine knowledge and understanding. Some of the posters here get it. Some posters stumble on terminology and assumptions.

    Even Joseph Smith did not understand everything that was revealed to him and I believe there Church leaders that are still learning as we all should be. For example, this year they may say God is omniscient and next year they may say he is subject to Eternal Progression, then so be it. This does not take away the fact that there is one true God, one true Savior, one true church, one true gospel, etc. It just means we don't understand yet the revealed knowledge.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 9:06 a.m.

    Science keeps you humble and excited by the huge number of important questions to which you don't know the answers, but if you keep working at them you can find answers - which are always surprising and always lead to important new questions. It's a wonderful positive feedback loop.

    Religion is a self-indulgent ego-trip ("The creator of the universe has His eye on ME!") and tells you to stop asking questions - because the ultimate answer to all questions is "Goddidit."

    History has made it abundantly clear that religion stifles the pursuit of knowledge, which is why more and more scientists are abandoning religion.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Dec. 9, 2013 6:49 a.m.

    As I understand it Jehovah and Michael have formed many other worlds like our earth with people on them. Our galaxy alone has 200-400 billion stars. Finding life elsewhere would only enhance our faith.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Dec. 8, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    Thank you for your comment.
    Because of the dogmas you mentioned is hard to put Traditional Christianity and Science together. However, I can take the concept of energy in Hinduism and make the connection with String Theory and with Mormonism using "intelligences" as an element and active component of a universal consciousness.

    I cannot and I don't pretend that I'm correct, I only know that we don't have enough information to really understand how all works.

    I feel God in all my being and everywhere and I love science because it gives us an open mind to pursue the knowledge we don't have, make mistakes, a thousand time , recognize them and continue investigating.

    I think God has given all civilizations and will continue giving us the opportunity to search for the full knowledge of what is.

  • IMAN Marlborough, MA
    Dec. 8, 2013 8:02 a.m.

    I am a member of the one true church here on earth (not LDS) and the church's doctrine has no problem reconciling the place of science and faith in one's life.

  • sharrona layton, UT
    Dec. 7, 2013 8:18 p.m.

    RE: Baccus0902,the Hindu tradition may offer glimpses to an association of science and mythology that have a common ground.

    Pantheism characterizes Hindu Doctrine that the universe is God and, conversely, that there is no god apart from the substance, forces, and laws manifested in the universe. VS, Creation ex nihlio.

    For in him we live and move and have our Being...(Acts 17:28)Creation is dependent on God for its very existence.

    God who gives life to the dead and Calls into Being things that were not.(Romans 4:17 NIV)

    In(2Tim 1:9 & Titus 1:2)God existed before time, implying he created time.

    RE: Gmlewis Heb 1:2 , Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds=(G.,aions/time).

    For God so loved the world=(G. ,cosmos) that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 (NIV)

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Dec. 7, 2013 5:41 p.m.

    you know about symbols and metaphors, Right?

  • J.D. Aurora, CO
    Dec. 7, 2013 4:30 p.m.

    The book of Abraham say the sun [is said] to borrow its light from Kolob through the medium of Kae-e-vanrash, which is the grand Key, or, in other words, the governing power. Who can argue with that?

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Dec. 7, 2013 1:40 p.m.

    What a beautiful article.
    @ Hutterite
    Certitude is one of the blessings and curses of organized religion. Blessing, because it gives its followers peace and safety. Curse, because that peace and safety has not concrete or tangible support.

    However, it doesn't take away the existence of a divine power and/or consciousness. The problem is that when we talk about religion in the west, usually the implication is the Judeo-Christian tradition. However, if we expand our perspective we can see that the Hindu tradition may offer glimpses to an association of science and mythology that have a common ground.

    The Pearl of Great Price in Mormonism is another document that may offer support to this article. I always rejoice in the Psalm 8 that touches in this theme.

    My humble opinion, is that fundamentalism by nature creates limitations and separation for the inquisitive mind. Fundamentalism provides certitude based on limited knowledge.

    Again, I think this is a refreshing and well written article.

  • Semi-Strong Louisville, KY
    Dec. 7, 2013 12:14 p.m.

    I love to see pictures of the stars and other phenomena and learn of the latest in astrophysics and astronomy.

    I too see no conflict here. Rather I find these to be an exciting insight into God's creation.

    "And worlds without number have I created . . ."

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Dec. 7, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    to Hutterite

    Organized Religion is the ultimate long con. If I want con men "telling a story" while furthering an agenda; I'll go watch an episode of Leverage.

  • Joe Bauman Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 7, 2013 10:24 a.m.

    This is one of the most sensible, well-thought-out and cogent articles I've ever read on the subject. Congratulations!

  • gmlewis Houston, TX
    Dec. 7, 2013 9:24 a.m.

    Hebrews 1:2 -
    Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds.

    There are several scriptural references to multiple planets, and that all were created by the Son of God. I am elated to know that we have brothers and sisters living elsewhere in the Universe.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 7, 2013 8:39 a.m.

    How come religion gets to play fast and loose with it's own agenda? If the church, which claims divine knowledge not available to me but under whose tenets it wants me to live, truly has the truth it was correct about space back in the day when Galileo was censured and need not change. Absolute divine knowledge really is absolute, isn't it? Or are they just making this stuff up?

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    Dec. 7, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    The problem that religion has is it uses bronze age terminology: visions, inspiration. The problem that the science has it can't come up with anything better because it can't produce evidence what its theorists are predicting: parallel universes where the force constants are completely different than they are in the observed universe.

    So I will stick to the bronze age terminology. But if I get to heaven (heaven: a bronze age term that describes a parallel universe that is theorized based on string theory, but can't be observed) I am going to signing up for a physics class.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Dec. 7, 2013 8:17 a.m.

    Life is a natural aspect of nature itself and is as inevitable throughout the universes as space itself. The forms of life is future discovery for man's exploration; and by that time man will have rediscovered god as nature and nature as god.