School Board chairwoman calls for civility in discussion of teacher misconduct policies

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  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 11, 2013 10:54 a.m.

    DN Subscriber 2,

    Could you show me were teachers unions have protested background checks for teachers? Could you show me were and when a teachers union has protected a teacher and tried to keep them employed when there was PROOF that they had committed a crime against a child?

    Contrary to what you may believe, teachers should be entitled to due process just like any other American citizen.

  • jotab Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 7, 2013 10:14 a.m.

    How irresponsible is it for Ms. Johnson to allege that there are a bunch of sexual predators in the teaching ranks in Utah without providing any evidence other than extrapolating one national study to Utah. For her to state that there is more going on than is being reported without any shred of evidence is beyond the pale.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 11:42 p.m.

    Kings Court is mistaken about what BCI does.

    "In February of 2000, BCI implemented a new program to ensure the integrity of the Utah Concealed Carry Permit by checking arrest records on a daily basis, this accounts for the dramatic 241.3% increase seen in 2000." [BCI Quarterly Firearm Statistical Review report] and that practice continues to this day, per BCI.

    The daily "rcords check" differs from a full "background check" in that it does not enter or run new photos or fingerprints. It is totally automated and can be done for teachers just as easily (and inexpensively!) as for permit holders who have already been entered in the system with an initial background check.

    Even if it did cost some money, what price for fewer molested children would be too high?

  • Kings Court Alpine, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 8:29 p.m.

    ...cont....under the current Utah proposal, any felony charge past or present would preclude someone from teaching. A sixteen year old shoplifting candy and charged with an adult felony charge (yes, all shoplifting cases are prosecuted as felonies in Idaho) could never become a teacher in Utah despite changing his her life for the better. I can see not giving a license to someone charged with sex crimes, crimes of violence, or substance abuse, but what about the poor teacher who falls asleep at the wheel and accidentally kills a family member and is then charged for it. Is that teacher a danger to children? You need to think long and hard about asking for people to lead lives of utter perfection from the day they are born until the day they retire.

  • Kings Court Alpine, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 8:22 p.m.

    DN Subsriber 2, BCI does not do a background check of permit holders every day. That would be outrageously expensive. (Currently $55 per check) The background check is performed once every five years and is conducted by the FBI.

    Teachers also receive a background check by the FBI every five years at a cost of about ($75 paid) for by the teacher. I'm still not sure why teachers must pay more for the same background check than the same check conducted for weapons permit holders.

    Ironically, teachers must be re-fingerprinted every five years in case those hardened criminals removed their finger tips, but renew your concealed weapons permit, you don't need to be re-fingerprinted. Go figure.

    (see next post)

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 7:39 p.m.

    First thing they need to do is to run the name of EVERY school employee through the BCI records check system EVERY day to see if they have run afoul of the laws in any state.

    This is feasible and virtually free. It is already standard policy for every one of the more than 521,000 Concealed Weapon Permit holders.

    Despite the teachers union and education establishment's protests, SOME teachers are unsavory characters, and they need to be promptly and effectively removed from any contact with our children, not excused and protected. (Just like for permit holders who commit misdeeds!)