... Good to see Utah. We, here in New York State, have passed the 300,000+
registered so far!
One definition of "publicity" is simply unpaid advertising. Right now
and for the foreseeable future, you're going to see all kinds of glowing
publicity about what a wonderful phenomenon this thing is, as carefully
distributed to story-hungry media people. But unfortunately, like Nancy Pelosi
said, once the bill was passed we all (including those who voted for it) are now
finding out what's actually in it--and you'll see the disasters
unfolding every week for those who dare confront actual reality. On the other
hand, if you really think it will be super in spite of the overwhelming and
obvious facts, you're probably also wondering exactly how Santa Claus will
ask the Tooth Fairy to the Christmas ball.
The most patriotic thing anyone can do is not to enroll in Obamacare. This law
will destroy us economically and it provides inferior healthcare, at higher
costs and deductibles, and a flood of new taxes. When anyone signs up, they
become at the mercy of identity thieves because there was never security
features built into the website. When you sign up for this crappy plan, you are
also signing up for a redistributive form of governance in which the higher
premiums you pay subsidize health care for those who don't pay. This is a
very bad law and we as Americans should not support it at all.
"In the 65 days the federal website has been available, about 6,200 Utahns
completed applications for insurance, but about 355 actually selected a plan to
complete their enrollment..."------------------So,
355 completions in 65 days, or about 5.5 per day.With numbers like
that it's plain to see why the comparisons to opened floodgates was
used.Clearly, at this rate the forced enrollment process should get
everyone signed up in, ahmmmm, say,......never.
I've said this before and I'll say it again. If it has to be mandated
for participation, someone feels it is a bad deal, or will become one. The
theory is that the more people enrolled, the less each person will have to pay.
A mandate creates the danger of having to buy, but not able to afford to use. It
is also a major temptation for abuse at multiple levels. In my thinking, take
out the middle man. Insurance companies make billions in profit. By having a
system that is sans insurance, we will save those billions right from the start.
It would require a pricing declaration to say what each procedure is valued at,
and a Health Savings Account for each participant including an annual fed
stipend equal for all participants. Could also include fund matching. A global
account for catastrophic care from a percentage of each HSA deposit. Dollars not
spent roll over. A balance cap stops additional deposits-so no further expense
My Grandparents and parents did not have the ACA to sustain them. They had jobs
they worked at for their health care dollars. They were immigrants with
naturalization papers and learned English, a trade and lived with sponsors until
they were self reliant.On October 1, 2012, a month before his relection
the President untruthfully said, " If you like your insurance they you can
keep your insurance." The failure to launch ACA, the glitches and my friends
in Cleveland clinic having their jobs cut, my friends at the Wake Forest Baptist
Med Cent having their jobs cut (950), 10,000 cut jobs in Orlando Health, 1,495
LSU hospital jobs cut, 52 friends at Delaware Hospice, 58 cut at Clifton Springs
Hospital, 48 cut at Carnegie Museum, 100 at Emory healthcare and I could go on
There seems to be a lot of similarity between Governor Romney's popularity
and BO's after their signature health care bills were enacted. Romney left
office in Massuchuets with a popluarity rating in the 30's and even lost
his home state in a landslide in the past election. Seems BO is trending
towards a similar fate. Politicans touching the issue may be revered after
their careers are over but seem to live in pain when trying to govern.
Oh dear! What will Republicans do if Americans decide the ACA is better than
what they had? To quote Karl Malden on the old American Express adds -
"What will you do, what WILL you do?"
Duh wrote: If someone wants to take the chance that is up to them.-----------------------------------But it is not just up to them. If
someone refuses to get health care insurance then their health care costs are
shouldered by those of us that exercised personal responsibility. Why the
Republicans and their right-wing allies believe this is the best course of
action is beyond me. They wish to create a deadbeat mentality and force others
to bear their obligations and then dare to call that FREEDOM.If the
GOTP dislikes Obamacare then come up with a better system that is cheaper,
covers more people, does not have a mandate, allows you to use any doctor and
health facility, and does not pass the cost of the irresponsible to others then
we can talk about repeal.
Romney vetoed the healthcare mandate "romneycare" before he was forced
to sign it into. A little disingenuous to say it was his bill! Do
leftists honestly think that subsidizing healthcare, by paying the subsidy to
the healthcare provider, or insurance company, rather then the
"consumer", really makes it less socialistic?
"Our health insurance cost went up $10,000 a year for our family before one
penny is paid for our care." -- KathyThank you for getting proper
coverage. Now American Taxpayers aren't paying as much covering where your
previous policy fell short.
"It is ludicrous to suggest that Obamacare which FORCES everyone to buy a
product and overpay for it is the same thing."What make
Obamacare different is the President Reagan during his administration passed a
law that requires all healthcare providers to render stabilizing services to all
patients, regardless of they have the means to pay. That law passed the burden
of paying for those services on to the healthcare providers, and to everyone who
does pay to use the system.If you want to make this like many other
kids of insurance, you have to remove the liability from everyone else for
compliance with Reagans law. You can pretend the healthcare system is just
going to absorb these expenses, and not pass them on to everyone else. When we
get indemnified from the cost of providing services to those who choose not to
pay... then we can talk about options. Until then, the only ones with options
are those who think it is their right to put the risk of their healthcare on
their neighbors, without contributing themselves.The uninsured cast
us all whether by choice or circumstance.
If you are foolish enough to login to this government web site and bare your
soul with all your personal data (ss# etc...) then you ought to understand what
you are risking.....EVERYTHING! The site is NOT secure. It is another Obama lie
that the site is secure and ready to go especially when the architects
themselves admit they haven't had an architecture review or ANY beta
testing for security. This alone will take 4 months. I wouldn't touch this
site with a ten foot pole!!!
Wilf 55Our health insurance cost went up $10,000 a year for our
family before one penny is paid for our care.
To all you Obamacare haters who think the ACA is going to cost you money. . .
you couldn't be more wrong. The ACA will lower RX costs. Why do you think
Norway pays $1.75 for the same pill that pharmaceutical companies sell in the US
for $18.00. Enough of the US subsidizing the rest of the worlds RX costs. Once
the ACA begins to force drug companies to bid for our business prices for drugs
here will drop dramaticallyTo those who don't think we
currently pay huge "taxes" to subsidize low income health care . . .
take a look at the statistics for hospital write offs for 2010 @ $40 Billion and
2011 @ $42 Billion for emergency room care. Low income families have coverage
right now, it's called the Emergency Room. Preventative care mandates will
address health problems before they get worse. (and cost more)Finally for all you capitalists who raise business to the height of a
religion, WHY? should businesses even be involved in providing health care
insurance. It's not the job of business in the US to come up with medical
insurance coverage in the first place.
@UHPPWhy confuse people with the facts?
If 81% of people think that Obamacare should be replaced, we would like to see
with what. The sensible options haven't been presented. There are people
against it, yet they don't seem to understand it either. This plan is the
best we've got so far (unless people eventually decide that a single payer
system is the alternative) and most people in the Republican Party (and some in
the Democratic Party and Independents) think this is socialistic. So, if people
want a free marketplace approach, this is what we've got and it's the
law. It is not perfect, but is a work in progress...so give your ideas to the
appropriate people as to how it can be improved. The most important aspect of it
is taking away the Pre-existing conditions for people that was causing some to
have so many financial problems and some to become medically bankrupt.
Let's try and stop this.
Wasn't Marx who said (paraphrasing) that if a government can control the
people's healthcare then they are well on their way to socialism?
People need to understand that there is no such thing as "letting people
take their own chances." If you get hurt and don't have insurance you
go to the emergency room, and if you can't pay for it the country picks up
the tab. We need the ACA because the system we have obviously isn't
We all need more fact-based outreach and education about the Obamacare.
We're glad that the Deseret News and other news organizations continue to
cover health-care reform.Here are some more facts: 1-Utahns purchase
private insurance on healthcare.gov - not government insurance2-Obamacare
is not socialized medicine like Canada or France - the ACA brings millions of
new customers to private insurance companies3-Premiums subsidies are paid
directly to private insurance companies, not the consumers4-Premium
subsidies are offered on a sliding scale based on income - from $11,500 to
$44,000 for a single person5-The ACA capital gains tax only applies to
individuals who earn more than $200k, and couples that earn more than $250k a
year.6-About 84% of Utahns under age 65 who independently purchase private
insurance will be eligible for premium subsidies7-If you need assistance
signing up for new insurance, find trained experts (for free) at
takecareutah-dott-org.8-If you are over age 65 and on Medicare, you
don't need sign up for any Obamacare insurance.-UHPP
The unemployment is dropping to below 7 percent. Lots of new covered wage
UtahBlueDevil: No. Obamacare is not just like how all insurance works. I
don't have to buy life insurance, homeowners insurance (unless I owe a
mortgage), or comprehensive converage for my car (I don't even have to own
a car). If my house burns down or I crash my car into a tree then I am out of
luck and someone else does not have to buy me a new one if I passed on the
insurance.In almost all cases, insurance is a voluntary purchase
where I can calculate the risk vs the cost and decide if I can afford to take
the chance or not. I may never file a fire insurance claim so my premiums are
going to subsidize some other homeowner who's house burned down.It is ludicrous to suggest that Obamacare which FORCES everyone to buy a
product and overpay for it is the same thing. If flood insurance was like
Obamacare it would force the homeowner to build a small house on a hill in
Arizona to buy it and pay the same premium as the guy who built a mansion below
sea level in New Orleans.
"...Have you noticed that the DN articles seem to minimize the negatives of
the ACA and report only what they consider positives?...".No."...I guess they must think that if you report something often
enough that we might begin to believe it...".They...think...that...we...Ok.I'll play...For example..."...You begin with a hypothesis that has a
certain surface plausibility. You find an ally whose background suggests that
he’s an “expert”; out of thin air, he devises
“data.” You write articles in sympathetic publications, repeating
the data endlessly; in time, some of these publications make your cause their
own. Like-minded congressmen pick up your mantra and invite you to testify at
hearings....". "...You’re chosen for an investigative
panel related to your topic. When other panel members, after inspecting your
evidence, reject your thesis, you claim that they did so for ideological
reasons. This, too, is repeated by your allies. Soon, the echo chamber you
created drowns out dissenting views; even presidential candidates begin
repeating the Big Lie...".Both sides play this game.Why?It generally works...The players/issues may
change...However...the game itself will never change...Why?Too many willing participants.
@atl134Are you for real? Are you still riding the Romney thing.
This is completely different from what Romney did in a State. Even Romney will
say himself, it is not the same idea. And simply, why do I have to fund the
lazy and unwilling? If you are uninsured you still get medical care, if you
can't afford it all right away I have yet to see a hospital that will not
accept payments, and they will discount the charge for being a cash pay patient.
I am not quite sure you even understand what ObamaCare does to the American
people. It weakens the strong, and promotes free loading.
I wonder why they shared the gentleman of Salt Lake City his monthly cost and
not his deductible. I guess if they did they would be reporting a crime. I never knew flood gates meant 600+ people. That is a leftest version of
Most all of the people of Utah will qualify for a subsidy.Guess who
gets to PAY for the subsidies? Hint: its not the "rich" or the
"poor"; rather its all of us in the middle income brackets.Obamacare WILL prove to be the largest tax increase in history.
@JoeCapitalist.... what you say here is how all insurance companies work....
with or without Obamacare. That little 70 year old lady who drives 20 miles per
hour under the limit.... she is subsidizing the cost of your insurance too.
You are redistributing her money to cover your insurance. So what
are you proposing? That everyone pay proportional to their cost? Teenager
insurance would sky rocket in cost. Healthcare cost for newborns would go
through the roof. Elderly care would be completely unaffordable by all. If
you want to extend this beyond insurance to government... no one would be able
to afford to have anything more than a kid or two at the most. The expense of
schooling would devastate all but the most well off households. This crazy notion of redistribution of wealth is absurd. In every aspect of
life, there is pricing averaging going on. No one is paying the real cost of
goods or services sold specific to their transaction. The dude on a business
trip is subsidizing the cost of the family across the isle of the plane because
he likely paid double what they did for the same flight.Cost
averaging is a fact of life.
pragmatistferlifeRasmussen reports that 81% of Americans think
Obamacare should be repealed or changed.
I think it's funny that some are commenting against the mandate when they
presumably voted in 2012 for a guy who put a health insurance mandate in his
healthcare plan (Mitt Romney). The reason the mandate is in there (Obama
initially opposed it, Clinton supported it in her campaign while Romney defended
his in 2008) is because if you're going to require insurance companies to
take on the sick people by ending bans on "pre-existing conditions" then
premiums would spike unless you also get the healthier uninsured into the system
to balance it out. Also, Romney argued that this is a matter of personal
responsibility and that the mandate is there so that people aren't
free-riding off emergency care without putting money into the system. It was
estimated that the average family paid around 1,000 a year in insurance costs
just to pay for the funding for those who are uninsured and declare bankruptcy.
Duh: "If affordable healthcare is what people want them give that to them
but don't mandate everyone participate or pay a penalty."You don't understand. Under Obamacare, the ONLY way to make healthcare
"affordable" for millions of Americans who previously didn't have
health insurance is to make millions of other people pay for it. If grandpa
needs a $100,000 operation and doesn't have health insurance, we need to
get 100 young healthy people to contribute $1000 each toward his care (plus pay
for all the government bureacracy to transfer the money).The way it
is set up, it is just a wealth redistribution plan. Most young people are all
for wealth redistribution when the wealth belongs to some Wall Street fat cat.
They are not so enthused when it is their own wealth that is about to be
redistributed to older Americans.
evansrichdmYou are correct. Most Americans are in favor of
Healthcare Reform but most are not in favor of this law.The poll I
like best is the Harvard Poll where most young people want Obama recalled. Oh
how I wish.
@Wilf 55Like you I feel for those who cannot afford adequate health
care. My compassion for these people require that I oppose the Unaffordable Care
Act. This thing was never designed to help these people. I is making things
worse.Regardless of who pays for health care it only makes sense to
fight to reduce the actual costs of health care. Some people can
afford only a used VolksWagon, others can afford to buy a new Cadillac. Obama
Care forces everyone, regardless of budget, to buy a Cadillac. Let's give
people a choice.Many things can be done to reduce the cost of health
care. A full 20% of the nations health care bill is malpractice insurance
premiums. Another 20% is defensive medicine. Reasonable reforms could save
billions.Emergency Room abuse is another major cost. I know an ER
doctor. Old ladies come in because they are lonely and want to talk with a young
handsome doctor. One guy goes there for free Tylenol. Many people who could
afford insurance don't buy it because they can get free treatment at the
ER.These are just a few reforms that could make a massive
pragmatistferlifegot to realclearpol and you will find that most
Americans do not want this law or a single payer system, what are you smoking?
Bytheway having lived in two countries that have this sort of
healthcare system I can say it does not work. Seeing people wait months
for operations that are needed right away is a scary thing to watch.
This is not Health Care this is income redistribution. And from what has been
reported your personal information is at great risk.Obama does not care about
that as all he is focused on is control of 1/6 of the economy.IMAPatriot2You are right on.Hitler saidMake the Lie BigMake it simpleKeep saying it and eventually they
will beleive it.Obama msut have read that.
Perhaps the author of this article should say how many people have actually PAID
for their policies as they are not effective until being paid for. Unless
I've missed the announcement, there is no way for them to do that and no
date when it will even be attempted. Since they haven't started to work on
that minor thing.Looking pretty isn't the same as actually
working from end-to-end. It's BROKE until they can actually bill and accept
payments? Can you imagine Amazon claiming their site is working but not able to
take real orders--oh, but it does look good enough for most people. Would be
hard to stay in business that way--oh, it's the government, they don't
need to stay in business. They just legislate themselves more trucks full of
cash and go on their wastful ways.
....law that the majority of Americans don't want. Sorry not true. The
percent of Americans that like this law or want single payer is well over 50%
now that they've actually seen the benefits, and those who oppose the law
are well below 50%.
I wonder how many of the 7 million they hope will sign up are from the 5 million
who lost their insurance and now have to pay higher premiums for benefits they
do not want.
You know it has to be good when the government forces you to buy. With the
flood gates open and 321 people having insurance, I wonder how many do not have
jobs (and thus insurance) under the act. Most small business owners are either
putting off hiring or letting people go because of the premium rate increases in
the private sector.I initially thought that the proponents of the
ACA were blind to the fact that the increased cost of insurance with all of the
mandates would cause business owners to drop company health plans. However with
the number of people now getting medicaid or heavily subsidized insurance, I am
becoming convinced that this was the plan all along. We are moving to a
government health care system just as other countries are trying to get out of
theirs. We are $17, 000, 000, 000, 000 in debt and we want the government to
give out more benefits. Welcome to Socialism.
Have you noticed that the DN articles seem to minimize the negatives of the ACA
and report only what they consider positives? I believe they are displaying a
political bias in their staff reporting on this horrible law that the majority
of Americans don't want. I guess they must think that if you report
something often enough that we might begin to believe it. If that sounds like
propaganda, it should. I wonder if this post will even be "passed"
since other posts of mine criticizing the ACA and the democrats who foisted this
on the American people have been rejected.
This is a government site. Give it a few days and it'll crash, just like
If affordable healthcare is what people want them give that to them but
don't mandate everyone participate or pay a penalty. If someone wants to
take the chance that is up to them. Communist or socialist countries mandate and
that's what this country is turning to. Trust me, this is just the first
issue, soon we will all have to deal with Hilary and if we think this is bad,
wait until she takes over. The entitlement society we live in is going to
destroy those who have worked hard for their retirements because our government
allows them. The debts to our country do not get smaller when we decide to fund
everything and provide everything to the people. This should never be a
government run issue.
Solidarity requires that we sustain the ACA for the many people that could
otherwise not afford health care. This is how it works in all advanced nations.
It's easy to mock the initial problems, but such irony does not show
understanding for those who need affordable health care.
Wow the flood gates are open. At this rate the US will be at 2.6% of its 7M
goal by the end of 2014 and it will only take 37.5 years to get to the 7M goal.