BYU basketball: Breaking down UMass, Cougars' next opponent

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  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 4:45 p.m.


    Who are U kidding; not only do you not give BYU any credit for closes to very good teams, you do everything possible to minimize every win.

    btw, this is a BYU basketball article; it has nothing to do with football, which, for U, is already over.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Dec. 6, 2013 4:35 p.m.

    As a kid, my cousin and I argued about cars.

    I liked Chevys and he liked Fords. We even got into a fist fight over this.

    Today, I drive a Toyota, and he drives a Chevy. We laugh about the old days.

    Debating the utes, and cougs is fun, but irrelevant. It's competitive, but we're not the ones on the field making the plays.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 1:22 p.m.

    I give byu as much credit for their close losses as byu fans gave to Utah for their close losses in football this year. Pot meet kettle.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 1:21 p.m.

    Ufan - I think we understand. Its ok for byu fans to have a double standard but no ok for Ute fans to do the exact same? Got it.

  • oaklandaforlife SLC, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 12:17 p.m.

    UMass wins this one. Too many ( I need to shoot the ball now ) players on this Y team.

  • daver Provo, 00
    Dec. 6, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    PAC Man,

    No complaint when they actually drive BEFORE the defense has shifted and formed a wall to stop them.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Dec. 6, 2013 6:48 a.m.

    Top 10 matchup for BYU tomorrow.

    Current RPI Rankings

    #1 UMass(7-0)
    #9 BYU(6-2)

    Go Cougars!

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2013 6:21 a.m.

    Chris B

    "So when the ute football team has close games against ranked ucla and ranked Arizona state and at the time ranked Oregon state it doesn't count for anything or show the utes are a good program..."

    It's funny how you didn't give BYU one iota (look it up) of credit last year for losing three games to Top 25 teams by a total of 10 points (including a 3-point loss at Notre Dame).

    In fact, I distinctly recall you mocking BYU every time the Cougars have lost a game, last year, this year, and every other year, regardless of how close and regardless of whether the opponent was ranked or not.

    Pot meet kettle.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 5:59 p.m.


    So when the ute football team has close games against ranked ucla and ranked Arizona state and at the time ranked Oregon state it doesn't count for anything or show the utes are a good program but when byu loses close to ranked teams in basketball it means something?

    Nope, no double standard there.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Dec. 5, 2013 3:46 p.m.

    This is a very young team, like the football team is. I'm loving what I see, fast break, good defense, and Phi Slamma Jamma.

    Of course BYU doesn't have Hakeem Olajuwon and Clyde Drexler and Dave Rose, but they do have Dave Rose, Mika, Haws, Carlino, and Collinsworth. Those guys, with Bartley et al. coming in is a very good approximation of Phi Slamma Jamma.

    Let's say Phi Slamma Jamma, Jr.

    They play very tough inside and don't live on 3s. Will they beat UMass on their court? Good win if they do. But they'll be good this year. Mark it Down.

  • Samwise Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 3:21 p.m.

    Although it is obviously a lot better to beat ranked teams, playing them does help a little bit as it improves the strength of schedule. Playing them close in nationally televised games is even better, as it shows people who will be selecting teams for the NCAA tournament that BYU is no pushover.

    But I actually agree with Chris B for once in that losing to anybody, even a ranked team, is nothing to brag about. BYU has been close to beating both ranked teams they have played this year. I hope they can finally get it done against UMass. Go Cougars!

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 2:25 p.m.

    Another thing, Chris...

    It matters more to play nationally ranked teams very competitively and barely lose than it does to play those same teams and get blown off the court. Believe it or not, people do judge teams by how competitive they are against really good teams.... especailly in basketball where a longer season usually entails playing teams from one end of the spectrum to the bottom end... where Utah has been spending most of their pre-conference time.

    Just one time, you should try complementing BYU on well-played games, like their exciting win against the previously unbeaten Aggie team in SLC last week. I notice when something like that happens, you're unusually quiet. You seldom comment unless it's an opportunity to put BYU down.

    Everyone notices that. That's why a lot of Ute fans point out that you don't represent them and why you also lose all credibility with Cougar fans. Your comments are extremely biased and one-sided. When that happens, such a person is known as being too biased to be considered objective. People then pay very little attention to that person.

    Just a positive intended suggestion. I hope it helps.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 2:14 p.m.

    @ Chris B:

    It's interesting how you disagree with the experts all the time in football whenever they list in polls and rankings BYU better than Utah... which was most of the season. And now that you think that agreeing with the experts will make BYU look a little bit worse, you're suddenly on their side. That's kinda like speaking out of both sides of your mouth.

    Another thing. When the Ute football team comes close in their games with good teams, you actually about it. You also did it when the Ute basketball team came close to beating Boise State the other night. But when BYU comes very close to beating nationally ranked teams, you give them no credit whatsoever. Another obvious double-speak.

    Decide which way it is, Chris. You can't have one standard for one team and a different one for another without being in danger of being labeled hypocritical by a lot of people. That person also quickly loses his credibility.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    Dec. 5, 2013 1:56 p.m.

    @ CB
    "You played byu at home, so assuming they played at Iowa State half of the time"
    I don't think Tators is playing anyone at home expecially BYU.
    Do you mean Iowa State in the place of BYU?

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 5, 2013 1:53 p.m.


    Teams that rely predominantly on outside shooting usually lose in the tournament - all it takes is one off-shooting game and you're toast.

    By necessity, teams need to drive into the paint to force the defense to shift. Sometimes that results in a turnover; sometimes that results in an easy back door basket or short-range jump shot. Constantly passing the ball around the outside often results in a forced long-range shot to beat the buzzer.

    If you've paid attention, most of BYU's fast break scoring is the result of passing the ball quickly up the court, rather than dribbling the length of the court.

    Bottom line, you have to adjust to take advantage of what the other team is doing defensively.

  • daver Provo, 00
    Dec. 5, 2013 1:39 p.m.

    Playing a hard-playing team on their floor is a tall order. BYU needs to learn to make free throws if they want to accomplish anything that really matters. Dribbling at full speed into a wall of defenders is also a liability for more than one player. Nate Austin has played the hardest and done the most to keep BYU in games with blocks, loose balls and rebounds against the toughest opponents. The other players need to catch up to Nate with their effort and distribute the ball, instead of taking turns watching each other drive into a crowd and lose the ball.

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 1:38 p.m.

    Just throwing this out there to the cyberverse:

    Of all the posters on BYU threads, who does this best describe?

    " disagreement with the experts about who would win most of the time."

    Did you mark down your answer?

    Go Cougars! Beat those Minutemen! Time for your best win of the season thus far.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 5, 2013 12:28 p.m.


    "Playing ranked teams doesn't matter if you lose. That's what BYU fans have been saying. Nothing to brag about whatsoever."

    In football, the top 20% includes 25 of the 125 FBS teams.

    In basketball, the top 20% includes 70 of the 350 Division 1 teams.

    #9 BYU is 2-2 versus RPI top 50 teams.
    #137 Utah is 0-1 versus RPI top 50 teams.

    Winning against good teams in football and basketball matters, but you have to compare apples to apples when making the comparison.

  • oddman ,
    Dec. 5, 2013 12:22 p.m.

    BYU still getting into it's rythmn (lots of new faces and talents learning to play together). They can surprise you in either direction. Bench strength and the bigs staying out of foul trouble are keys in this one. It goes without saying the unexpected from Matt Carlino is the 'dark horse' factor that could easily determine the end result. They're due for a breakout game against a top opponent, however.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 11:58 a.m.


    You played byu at home, so assuming they played at Iowa State half of the time, and taking into account what the experts(see the rankings) feel about byu and iowa state, you are in disagreement with the experts about who would win most of the time.

    But that's certainly your right to disagree with the experts.

  • Blue Collar Huntington, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    Chris B.

    Go watch your team play East High.
    This BYU team is going to be a very good team this year. Can't wait to watch the rest of season. Go day take down Umass boys!!

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 11:25 a.m.

    We're gonna crush these guys because we are better than they are.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 11:11 a.m.

    @ Won84:

    I believe BYU proved it is as good as Iowa State by being ahead most of their game and losing by only one missed basket or a few missed free throws at the very end of that game. I honestly believe BYU would prevail against them at least half of the time if they were to play multiple times. It was obvious that both teams were quite equally matched.

    Wichita State is a different story. Even though BYU was very competitive against them until the last 4 minutes, WS did prove they are ultimately the better team and one to be reckoned with on a national level.

    If BYU irons out just a few minor wrinkles, they have a very good chance of upsetting UMass. But regardless, it will be a very competitive and fun game to watch. BYU has already shown they are competitive against nationally ranked teams and so do belong in the mix.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2013 11:07 a.m.

    Playing ranked teams doesn't matter if you lose. That's what byu fans have been saying. Nothing to brag about whatsoever.

  • Dr. Chim Richalds ROUND HILL, VA
    Dec. 5, 2013 11:07 a.m.

    Yeah - Unfortunately I see this season pretty much the same as the football season:
    Okay team with potential that just can't beat the good teams on their schedule. They will prob get into the tournament but bounce out in either the first or second round. I see a loss against UMASS with Haws getting shut down and Carlino going 3 for 14 from beyond the arc.
    ....but I'll still watch and hope for the best.

    Dec. 5, 2013 8:05 a.m.

    While I'd like to see improved Free Throw shooting, this team is not as good as Iowa St. or Wichita St. This actually sets up nicely for BYU to get a win over a ranked opponent.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Dec. 5, 2013 6:19 a.m.

    Without good free throw shooting and Carlino playing under control, this will be another loss. Are you listening Cougars? Every free throw counts.